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Fantasy Shadow of The Seal - OOC

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Wyll said:
Sure?
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Okay, so I have a few theories on who would objectively be the winner of this fight.

Firstly let's look at the location of the fight. Let's just assume that it takes place on completely neutral territory. A place where neither side has a territorial advantage and we look simply at what each side brings to the fight.

In this case, I am leaning more towards the Seal. I don't know too many details as I am still reading the lore over and over again to make sure I have it down. For this case an instance I will use what I know about the characters and what I have read. Our group, our characters specifically, come with a wide range of abilities that make them incredibly dangerous to fight. We also have a character whose espionage abilities are second to none.

On top of this, let's assume that this battle happens on a beach. Water and land. Many of our characters have the ability to sink a ship by themselves. Not to mention the few wild cards that we have. The fleet is an incredible Force. I could easily see this fight going either way. However, I do believe with the wide variety of abilities that the seal has and the wild cards within our lineup gives us the edge.

I'm not trying to say anything, but let's use my character as an example. The man is a beast. He has an elephant that can easily be armored up and would be a decent wild card in this situation. Canon fire would hurt, but Jason does have the ability to tank at least one or two shots from a Canon. If the seal can manage to get Jason on a ship, that battleship is as good as sunk. This is not including all the other characters and established NPCs that would make this fight easier. I do think that it could go either way, but I do think that in a hundred battles, the seal would win 51 times. At least that's my opinion.
 
Valid argument.
Few factors that it seems like you haven't considered, but I do agree that it would be a close fight that could go either way.

Me personally, if I know that the odds of me winning a fight are 51-49, especially woth my life on the line, I'm not taking that fight 😂😂
 
Wyll said:
Valid argument.
Few factors that it seems like you haven't considered, but I do agree that it would be a close fight that could go either way.

Me personally, if I know that the odds of me winning a fight are 51-49, especially woth my life on the line, I'm not taking that fight 😂😂
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Damn straight.
 
Down to the circumstances of engagement.

In an open conflict I'd give it to the Fleet, they've got a warrior culture and the majority of their population are combatants—they specialize in war. The Seal specializes in assassination, assassins should never be facing an army in open combat. Furthermore, only a third of the seal are assassins. The others are spies who may or may not have strong combat ability and Lorekeepers who are likewise dubious on combat ability.

Open engagement simply would not favor the Seal due to the organization's composition.

Now, if the Seal is allowed to hide, avoid open engagement, and sow chaos with assassinations, then there's a much great chance of them winning. However, given the Errant Fleet are the remnants of a sunken nation, I have to assume their numbers far outstrip that of our clandestine group of assassins and assassin-enablers.
 
CloudySkyLoftyMoon said:
Down to the circumstances of engagement.

In an open conflict I'd give it to the Fleet, they've got a warrior culture and the majority of their population are combatants—they specialize in war. The Seal specializes in assassination, assassins should never be facing an army in open combat. Furthermore, only a third of the seal are assassins. The others are spies who may or may not have strong combat ability and Lorekeepers who are likewise dubious on combat ability.

Open engagement simply would not favor the Seal due to the organization's composition.

Now, if the Seal is allowed to hide, avoid open engagement, and sow chaos with assassinations, then there's a much great chance of them winning. However, given the Errant Fleet are the remnants of a sunken nation, I have to assume their numbers far outstrip that of our clandestine group of assassins and assassin-enablers.
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I don't know about that. Personally speaking, the seal doesn't only have assassins. I mean my character isn't exactly an assassin. And I have to assume that they don't only have assassins.
 
DeathUnchained said:
I don't know about that. Personally speaking, the seal doesn't only have assassins. I mean my character isn't exactly an assassin. And I have to assume that they don't only have assassins.
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I agree, some of the characters definitely don't have an assassin's skill set, but I don't think it changes the overall. The Seal isn't an army and shouldn't try to fight like one on an 'organizational' level. Although we have some very strong characters, I believe the Fleet would have powerful magic users as well.
 
CloudySkyLoftyMoon said:
I agree, some of the characters definitely don't have an assassin's skill set, but I don't think it changes the overall. The Seal isn't an army and shouldn't try to fight like one on an 'organizational' level. Although we have some very strong characters, I believe the Fleet would have powerful magic users as well.
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I can agree with this. The seal definitely has a stronger lean towards being able to do things with an assassins skill set. If both sides played to their strong suits, pending on the circumstances and such. I do think that my assessment stands. In 100 battles, the Seal would win 51 times.
 
CloudySkyLoftyMoon said:
Down to the circumstances of engagement.

In an open conflict I'd give it to the Fleet, they've got a warrior culture and the majority of their population are combatants—they specialize in war. The Seal specializes in assassination, assassins should never be facing an army in open combat. Furthermore, only a third of the seal are assassins. The others are spies who may or may not have strong combat ability and Lorekeepers who are likewise dubious on combat ability.

Open engagement simply would not favor the Seal due to the organization's composition.

Now, if the Seal is allowed to hide, avoid open engagement, and sow chaos with assassinations, then there's a much great chance of them winning. However, given the Errant Fleet are the remnants of a sunken nation, I have to assume their numbers far outstrip that of our clandestine group of assassins and assassin-enablers.
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Aaaand there's some of the factors that DeathUnchained DeathUnchained forgot to consider.

Very valid points as well.
 
Love the fun little debate and appreciate the time taken to go through the lore and consider both sides.

There is a GM answer, but I personally believe that would take away part of the fun of it all (Kinda like if Avatar studios confirmed who would win bergen Toph and Bumi) so I shall simply say that you both made very beautiful arguments for both sides.
 
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