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big post incoming to do some feeling around for plots w/ people i haven't talked to yet! if you want to go into more detail i'm vibing with it, or we can dm! up to y'all

For Jenny
- context; she doesn't live in the state anymore (usually) and hasn't for the last ten or so years, so people living there are gonna be rare to know before hand unless they are family friends/knew each other from school or she will interact IC when staying at her sister's!
(but for now)
Aleks; not sure of any specifics related to his brother being one of the victims? Jenny could have known him and his brother, maybe babysat for Aleks when he was young or something?
Nicole; if they were to meet/will meet in the events of the RP i think (noO FFENSE) jenny prob pretty icked out by Nicole being Dunne's daughter, even if he didn't raise her at all. Just kind of like that nasty memory of it all, though she wouldn't entirely hold her accountable for being his kid. More inclined to be suspicious of her behaviour though. Maybe a chance to be worried to? Jenny does work with troubled kids. Nicole's right up that alley.
Rosa; I'm not sure entirely if they'd have been friends in High School? Jenny didn't know Michael super well, prob just at a distance, but they could easily have a couple of classes together in the past! Probably one of the ones that Jenny wouldn't even try and check up with after everything, or after leaving. If you wanna discuss details during high school LMK! That's all i got for that, mostly
Joseph; Another one that Jenny probably didn't hang out with LOL! But I'd be happy to take on one of the bullying roles for that; though she wouldn't overtly trash talk him. Probably kinda ignoring or ostracizing at best, though she was usually kind enough to reach out during class or in clubs. If you wanna link up there at all! But otherwise, as of the present, no reason/relation to talk to him since.
Nanami; Def not sure where they'd make much contact in high school. Jenny was popular and while academic, def more of an extracurricular girl. As well, Nanami coming rather late into Newby prob didn't give too much time to get to know each other, aside from classes? Maybe one class they kept having together? A reason to know each other a bit, but not required at all! They do share a relation with Stacy Mills though (Jenny was a cheerleader too) so that could be a point where they can come together.
Billy; (we talked a bit before but ) potential family friends, maybe? But not by much, since he's younger -- but the parents could all be sorta in the know. A reason to know each other. I left Jenny's dad's profession up in the air for plot reasons so there could be something on this! Not required though :)


For Chel
- context; opposite to the latter, Michelle stoner girl who's been living in town her whole life. Mom's a nurse, Brother's job I think I left vague. Michelle herself works at some restaurant in town.
Maggie; Chel would think she's way too quiet for her own good, maybe at first impression take her more for a Narc than anyone reliable. But she would think all the folklore and the ghost she thinks lives in her house pretty cool. Optionally would strongarm to befriend Maggie just to see if the ghost is really there. That's probably at most for surface level observations, though they could share some clubs together?
Aleks; having siblings that were in the same graduating class (albeit one was violently murdered) could def be a point of relation for them, at least to sort of be friends. Chel's got drugs too, so maybe she'd try to reach out to Aleks through that. She usually cares enough to ask how someone is, but definitely is no therapist. They could have gone to school together but never quiet clicked, not until high-school perhaps? (But that's if he'd even be open to her about his addiction, she's got her own secrets that she doesn't want to tell anyone too). She also wants to leave Newby ASAP, but wouldn't gossip about him toward anything. Prob more sympathetic if anything.
Nicole; I'm not sure if Chel would be like 'move aside kiddo, watch a pro' or 'listen to teacher' LOL, but she's def not as hard as Nicole is. I could def see them swinging in the same groups though. I'm not saying that she'd research the shit to find out that Nicole was Dunne's kid, but I'm definitely saying she would. She also would want to keep Nicole close for that reason, maybe seeing if she'd snap for fun or seeing what she knows? How she feels? Not a science experiment but that weird sort of... ok not an obsession but definitely hyperfocused (without making it apparent) that she could/would know Nicole's paternity.
Rosa; gonna be a running trend with the survivor's, Chel's been trying to keep TABS. She likes to kinda feel around and research where they all went, what they're doing (the most you can do in 1995). Coming back to town she can expect Chel either lingering too close and asking questions (without being too weird) or just trying to insert herself around. Def because she was close to Dunne as well.
Joseph; see above. LOL. Probably to a similar extent.
Justina; Chel is not a sports girl so she prob wouldn't pay attention to it enough to know Justina enough from it, but she would prob hear the rumours. Offer her sympathies, maybe. Be a bad influence and be like 'idk how to conversate, drug?' something like that LOL
Nanami; see other survivors. Def a running trend here.

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big post incoming to do some feeling around for plots w/ people i haven't talked to yet! if you want to go into more detail i'm vibing with it, or we can dm! up to y'all

For Jenny
- context; she doesn't live in the state anymore (usually) and hasn't for the last ten or so years, so people living there are gonna be rare to know before hand unless they are family friends/knew each other from school or she will interact IC when staying at her sister's!
(but for now)
Aleks; not sure of any specifics related to his brother being one of the victims? Jenny could have known him and his brother, maybe babysat for Aleks when he was young or something?
Nicole; if they were to meet/will meet in the events of the RP i think (noO FFENSE) jenny prob pretty icked out by Nicole being Dunne's daughter, even if he didn't raise her at all. Just kind of like that nasty memory of it all, though she wouldn't entirely hold her accountable for being his kid. More inclined to be suspicious of her behaviour though. Maybe a chance to be worried to? Jenny does work with troubled kids. Nicole's right up that alley.
Rosa; I'm not sure entirely if they'd have been friends in High School? Jenny didn't know Michael super well, prob just at a distance, but they could easily have a couple of classes together in the past! Probably one of the ones that Jenny wouldn't even try and check up with after everything, or after leaving. If you wanna discuss details during high school LMK! That's all i got for that, mostly
Joseph; Another one that Jenny probably didn't hang out with LOL! But I'd be happy to take on one of the bullying roles for that; though she wouldn't overtly trash talk him. Probably kinda ignoring or ostracizing at best, though she was usually kind enough to reach out during class or in clubs. If you wanna link up there at all! But otherwise, as of the present, no reason/relation to talk to him since.
Nanami; Def not sure where they'd make much contact in high school. Jenny was popular and while academic, def more of an extracurricular girl. As well, Nanami coming rather late into Newby prob didn't give too much time to get to know each other, aside from classes? Maybe one class they kept having together? A reason to know each other a bit, but not required at all! They do share a relation with Stacy Mills though (Jenny was a cheerleader too) so that could be a point where they can come together.
Billy; (we talked a bit before but ) potential family friends, maybe? But not by much, since he's younger -- but the parents could all be sorta in the know. A reason to know each other. I left Jenny's dad's profession up in the air for plot reasons so there could be something on this! Not required though :)


For Chel
- context; opposite to the latter, Michelle stoner girl who's been living in town her whole life. Mom's a nurse, Brother's job I think I left vague. Michelle herself works at some restaurant in town.
Maggie; Chel would think she's way too quiet for her own good, maybe at first impression take her more for a Narc than anyone reliable. But she would think all the folklore and the ghost she thinks lives in her house pretty cool. Optionally would strongarm to befriend Maggie just to see if the ghost is really there. That's probably at most for surface level observations, though they could share some clubs together?
Aleks; having siblings that were in the same graduating class (albeit one was violently murdered) could def be a point of relation for them, at least to sort of be friends. Chel's got drugs too, so maybe she'd try to reach out to Aleks through that. She usually cares enough to ask how someone is, but definitely is no therapist. They could have gone to school together but never quiet clicked, not until high-school perhaps? (But that's if he'd even be open to her about his addiction, she's got her own secrets that she doesn't want to tell anyone too). She also wants to leave Newby ASAP, but wouldn't gossip about him toward anything. Prob more sympathetic if anything.
Nicole; I'm not sure if Chel would be like 'move aside kiddo, watch a pro' or 'listen to teacher' LOL, but she's def not as hard as Nicole is. I could def see them swinging in the same groups though. I'm not saying that she'd research the shit to find out that Nicole was Dunne's kid, but I'm definitely saying she would. She also would want to keep Nicole close for that reason, maybe seeing if she'd snap for fun or seeing what she knows? How she feels? Not a science experiment but that weird sort of... ok not an obsession but definitely hyperfocused (without making it apparent) that she could/would know Nicole's paternity.
Rosa; gonna be a running trend with the survivor's, Chel's been trying to keep TABS. She likes to kinda feel around and research where they all went, what they're doing (the most you can do in 1995). Coming back to town she can expect Chel either lingering too close and asking questions (without being too weird) or just trying to insert herself around. Def because she was close to Dunne as well.
Joseph; see above. LOL. Probably to a similar extent.
Justina; Chel is not a sports girl so she prob wouldn't pay attention to it enough to know Justina enough from it, but she would prob hear the rumours. Offer her sympathies, maybe. Be a bad influence and be like 'idk how to conversate, drug?' something like that LOL
Nanami; see other survivors. Def a running trend here.

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I think it would make total sense that Billy would hang out with Jennifer’s family all her life and maybe even attend a few gatherings at each other’s places, and then just be too thick in the head to put the pieces together that she is a survivor of the 85’ massacre

also lowkey, could totally see Billy crushing hard on Chels, simply because she’s very much on the same wavelength as him.
 
I think it would make total sense that Billy would hang out with Jennifer’s family all her life and maybe even attend a few gatherings at each other’s places, and then just be too thick in the head to put the pieces together that she is a survivor of the 85’ massacre

also lowkey, could totally see Billy crushing hard on Chels, simply because she’s very much on the same wavelength as him.
That sounds great! I love him being very thick headed, he can have the realization way too late and everyone just face palms LOL

Also OMG PLEASE what a fuckin point of juicy drama since Rod's got a crush on Chels too LMAOO But ugh I love this all so much. Equally she will be oblivious to it all and just be like 'drugs, boiseeee???' Very much a 'come together, let's vibe upon thee waves' while in some garage getting stoned.
 
big post incoming to do some feeling around for plots w/ people i haven't talked to yet! if you want to go into more detail i'm vibing with it, or we can dm! up to y'all

For Jenny
- context; she doesn't live in the state anymore (usually) and hasn't for the last ten or so years, so people living there are gonna be rare to know before hand unless they are family friends/knew each other from school or she will interact IC when staying at her sister's!
(but for now)
Aleks; not sure of any specifics related to his brother being one of the victims? Jenny could have known him and his brother, maybe babysat for Aleks when he was young or something?
Nicole; if they were to meet/will meet in the events of the RP i think (noO FFENSE) jenny prob pretty icked out by Nicole being Dunne's daughter, even if he didn't raise her at all. Just kind of like that nasty memory of it all, though she wouldn't entirely hold her accountable for being his kid. More inclined to be suspicious of her behaviour though. Maybe a chance to be worried to? Jenny does work with troubled kids. Nicole's right up that alley.
Rosa; I'm not sure entirely if they'd have been friends in High School? Jenny didn't know Michael super well, prob just at a distance, but they could easily have a couple of classes together in the past! Probably one of the ones that Jenny wouldn't even try and check up with after everything, or after leaving. If you wanna discuss details during high school LMK! That's all i got for that, mostly
Joseph; Another one that Jenny probably didn't hang out with LOL! But I'd be happy to take on one of the bullying roles for that; though she wouldn't overtly trash talk him. Probably kinda ignoring or ostracizing at best, though she was usually kind enough to reach out during class or in clubs. If you wanna link up there at all! But otherwise, as of the present, no reason/relation to talk to him since.
Nanami; Def not sure where they'd make much contact in high school. Jenny was popular and while academic, def more of an extracurricular girl. As well, Nanami coming rather late into Newby prob didn't give too much time to get to know each other, aside from classes? Maybe one class they kept having together? A reason to know each other a bit, but not required at all! They do share a relation with Stacy Mills though (Jenny was a cheerleader too) so that could be a point where they can come together.
Billy; (we talked a bit before but ) potential family friends, maybe? But not by much, since he's younger -- but the parents could all be sorta in the know. A reason to know each other. I left Jenny's dad's profession up in the air for plot reasons so there could be something on this! Not required though :)


For Chel
- context; opposite to the latter, Michelle stoner girl who's been living in town her whole life. Mom's a nurse, Brother's job I think I left vague. Michelle herself works at some restaurant in town.
Maggie; Chel would think she's way too quiet for her own good, maybe at first impression take her more for a Narc than anyone reliable. But she would think all the folklore and the ghost she thinks lives in her house pretty cool. Optionally would strongarm to befriend Maggie just to see if the ghost is really there. That's probably at most for surface level observations, though they could share some clubs together?
Aleks; having siblings that were in the same graduating class (albeit one was violently murdered) could def be a point of relation for them, at least to sort of be friends. Chel's got drugs too, so maybe she'd try to reach out to Aleks through that. She usually cares enough to ask how someone is, but definitely is no therapist. They could have gone to school together but never quiet clicked, not until high-school perhaps? (But that's if he'd even be open to her about his addiction, she's got her own secrets that she doesn't want to tell anyone too). She also wants to leave Newby ASAP, but wouldn't gossip about him toward anything. Prob more sympathetic if anything.
Nicole; I'm not sure if Chel would be like 'move aside kiddo, watch a pro' or 'listen to teacher' LOL, but she's def not as hard as Nicole is. I could def see them swinging in the same groups though. I'm not saying that she'd research the shit to find out that Nicole was Dunne's kid, but I'm definitely saying she would. She also would want to keep Nicole close for that reason, maybe seeing if she'd snap for fun or seeing what she knows? How she feels? Not a science experiment but that weird sort of... ok not an obsession but definitely hyperfocused (without making it apparent) that she could/would know Nicole's paternity.
Rosa; gonna be a running trend with the survivor's, Chel's been trying to keep TABS. She likes to kinda feel around and research where they all went, what they're doing (the most you can do in 1995). Coming back to town she can expect Chel either lingering too close and asking questions (without being too weird) or just trying to insert herself around. Def because she was close to Dunne as well.
Joseph; see above. LOL. Probably to a similar extent.
Justina; Chel is not a sports girl so she prob wouldn't pay attention to it enough to know Justina enough from it, but she would prob hear the rumours. Offer her sympathies, maybe. Be a bad influence and be like 'idk how to conversate, drug?' something like that LOL
Nanami; see other survivors. Def a running trend here.

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Rosa would have avoided Jennifer with a PASSION

Rosa when she figures out the stoner kid is stalking her:
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AAAAAA I've finished Colt, he's here!!! Uncle who does ket vibes, but hes here!!
 
big post incoming to do some feeling around for plots w/ people i haven't talked to yet! if you want to go into more detail i'm vibing with it, or we can dm! up to y'all

For Jenny
- context; she doesn't live in the state anymore (usually) and hasn't for the last ten or so years, so people living there are gonna be rare to know before hand unless they are family friends/knew each other from school or she will interact IC when staying at her sister's!
(but for now)
Aleks; not sure of any specifics related to his brother being one of the victims? Jenny could have known him and his brother, maybe babysat for Aleks when he was young or something?
Nicole; if they were to meet/will meet in the events of the RP i think (noO FFENSE) jenny prob pretty icked out by Nicole being Dunne's daughter, even if he didn't raise her at all. Just kind of like that nasty memory of it all, though she wouldn't entirely hold her accountable for being his kid. More inclined to be suspicious of her behaviour though. Maybe a chance to be worried to? Jenny does work with troubled kids. Nicole's right up that alley.
Rosa; I'm not sure entirely if they'd have been friends in High School? Jenny didn't know Michael super well, prob just at a distance, but they could easily have a couple of classes together in the past! Probably one of the ones that Jenny wouldn't even try and check up with after everything, or after leaving. If you wanna discuss details during high school LMK! That's all i got for that, mostly
Joseph; Another one that Jenny probably didn't hang out with LOL! But I'd be happy to take on one of the bullying roles for that; though she wouldn't overtly trash talk him. Probably kinda ignoring or ostracizing at best, though she was usually kind enough to reach out during class or in clubs. If you wanna link up there at all! But otherwise, as of the present, no reason/relation to talk to him since.
Nanami; Def not sure where they'd make much contact in high school. Jenny was popular and while academic, def more of an extracurricular girl. As well, Nanami coming rather late into Newby prob didn't give too much time to get to know each other, aside from classes? Maybe one class they kept having together? A reason to know each other a bit, but not required at all! They do share a relation with Stacy Mills though (Jenny was a cheerleader too) so that could be a point where they can come together.
Billy; (we talked a bit before but ) potential family friends, maybe? But not by much, since he's younger -- but the parents could all be sorta in the know. A reason to know each other. I left Jenny's dad's profession up in the air for plot reasons so there could be something on this! Not required though :)


For Chel
- context; opposite to the latter, Michelle stoner girl who's been living in town her whole life. Mom's a nurse, Brother's job I think I left vague. Michelle herself works at some restaurant in town.
Maggie; Chel would think she's way too quiet for her own good, maybe at first impression take her more for a Narc than anyone reliable. But she would think all the folklore and the ghost she thinks lives in her house pretty cool. Optionally would strongarm to befriend Maggie just to see if the ghost is really there. That's probably at most for surface level observations, though they could share some clubs together?
Aleks; having siblings that were in the same graduating class (albeit one was violently murdered) could def be a point of relation for them, at least to sort of be friends. Chel's got drugs too, so maybe she'd try to reach out to Aleks through that. She usually cares enough to ask how someone is, but definitely is no therapist. They could have gone to school together but never quiet clicked, not until high-school perhaps? (But that's if he'd even be open to her about his addiction, she's got her own secrets that she doesn't want to tell anyone too). She also wants to leave Newby ASAP, but wouldn't gossip about him toward anything. Prob more sympathetic if anything.
Nicole; I'm not sure if Chel would be like 'move aside kiddo, watch a pro' or 'listen to teacher' LOL, but she's def not as hard as Nicole is. I could def see them swinging in the same groups though. I'm not saying that she'd research the shit to find out that Nicole was Dunne's kid, but I'm definitely saying she would. She also would want to keep Nicole close for that reason, maybe seeing if she'd snap for fun or seeing what she knows? How she feels? Not a science experiment but that weird sort of... ok not an obsession but definitely hyperfocused (without making it apparent) that she could/would know Nicole's paternity.
Rosa; gonna be a running trend with the survivor's, Chel's been trying to keep TABS. She likes to kinda feel around and research where they all went, what they're doing (the most you can do in 1995). Coming back to town she can expect Chel either lingering too close and asking questions (without being too weird) or just trying to insert herself around. Def because she was close to Dunne as well.
Joseph; see above. LOL. Probably to a similar extent.
Justina; Chel is not a sports girl so she prob wouldn't pay attention to it enough to know Justina enough from it, but she would prob hear the rumours. Offer her sympathies, maybe. Be a bad influence and be like 'idk how to conversate, drug?' something like that LOL
Nanami; see other survivors. Def a running trend here.

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As far as Jenny and Nanami go, I can see Jenny being the Salutatorian for their graduating class; Nanami was one step ahead in academics because she didn't partake in extracurriculars. They could also be in the same core classes together (Math, Science, English) throughout their High School Careers. Last but not least, Stacy would jnvite them both to come and hang out, so that is likely where they'll see each other the most often.

I'll get back to you later for Chel and Justina.
 
Rosa would have avoided Jennifer with a PASSION

Rosa when she figures out the stoner kid is stalking her:
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In my head Jen during high school being like *insert peppy girl with a ponytail* hey rosa want to sign up for-
and then just getting left in the dust LMAOO

Stoner kid is definitely stalking her and definitely not making notes about her or whatever, definitely not gonna be seeing when things get stressed out what happens 👀
 
In my head Jen during high school being like *insert peppy girl with a ponytail* hey rosa want to sign up for-
and then just getting left in the dust LMAOO

Stoner kid is definitely stalking her and definitely not making notes about her or whatever, definitely not gonna be seeing when things get stressed out what happens 👀
Rosa would just run away at the speed of light lol

Rosa just elbows Joseph: “she reminds me of you back in high school”
 
As far as Jenny and Nanami go, I can see Jenny being the Salutatorian for their graduating class; Nanami was one step ahead in academics because she didn't partake in extracurriculars. They could also be in the same core classes together (Math, Science, English) throughout their High School Careers. Last but not least, Stacy would jnvite them both to come and hang out, so that is likely where they'll see each other the most often.

I'll get back to you later for Chel and Justina.
OOH! Totally maybe! Core classes works and Stacy as well, though I dunno if I'd want her as Salutatorian? She was good academically for sure but def not any top ranker (let alone second). Her mum wanted her to be a model and do all the flashy shit anyway so it was just like 'pass and make it look good'.
 
AAAAAA I've finished Colt, he's here!!! Uncle who does ket vibes, but hes here!!
STRONGLY sensing a potential hero arch for Colt if he can make it to the final act 👀

also would love some type of interaction between Colt and Billy with Colt warning him of the dangers of wasted potential. Also don't know how or if they'd know each other, but I know Mickey would think Colt is cool as hell.
 
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Rosa would just run away at the speed of light lol

Rosa just elbows Joseph: “she reminds me of you back in high school”
Bro Joseph is too much of an innocent ‘nerd’ to be doing that crap


Joseph when he sees Rosa:
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Also Joseph when he sees one of his tormentors at the reunion:
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@ everyone, especially Knight boi Knight boi and Walliver Walliver do you think anyone attended Dunne's funeral? Also curious as to everyone's perception of what happened to Dunne's parents after the massacre and how each character viewed his parents would be. I definitely imagine they would've left Newby almost immediately afterward.
 
STRONGLY sensing a potential hero arch for Colt if he can make it to the final act 👀

also would love some type of interaction between Colt and Billy with Colt warning him of the dangers of waster potential. Also don't know how or if they'd know each other, but I know Mickey would think Colt is cool as hell.
YES!!! ABSOLUTELY!! Ugh if he lives that long it'd be so good to see him have that closure and even better to meet the tragic end?!
But Colt could've even coached Billy some before his injury! Give a little more weight to the warnings!

And, freely admitting he would offer beer and cigs to Mickey if they ever crossed paths, bless 'em ajhdjkad x
 
JUST REALISED I GOT BILLY AND MICKEY BACKWARDS MY APOLOGIES AAAA, in my head Billy/Bully = Mean Guy, SORRY
 
also idalie idalie chels gonna use the excuse to hang out around cal's trailer and offer him drugs too. yes he's a full adult and yeah she's 18... he aint telling anybody is he 🤭 def see older brother though in that, since her own one left some time ago and now she's all... struggling and shit 😩
 
also idalie idalie chels gonna use the excuse to hang out around cal's trailer and offer him drugs too. yes he's a full adult and yeah she's 18... he aint telling anybody is he 🤭 def see older brother though in that, since her own one left some time ago and now she's all... struggling and shit 😩
HDJKAJHS aw, I love that big brother dynamic tho 🥺 Chels is definitely welcome, although perfectly right about him not tellin nobody hksjadhkahd
Just shooting the shit and chatting, I can see it as a respite x
 
@ everyone, especially Knight boi Knight boi and Walliver Walliver do you think anyone attended Dunne's funeral? Also curious as to everyone's perception of what happened to Dunne's parents after the massacre and how each character viewed his parents would be. I definitely imagine they would've left Newby almost immediately afterward.
Oh he’s definitely attending the funeral!
 
omg wait the image of Chels devouring the snacks Maggie makes in baking club while she has the munchies. I need to stop emotionally investing myself in these characters y'all :closedeyescryingfrown:
LOL ABSOLUTELY LOL and with little to no remorse like 'girl these cookies are so good i can't stop i'm definitely not high but also please bring more next time'
 
BELIAL. BELIAL.
maggie is in fact in both the writing club and baking club so
WRITING CLUB that's good I put chels in the writing club cause she likes movies and creative things, but she's also more of a film nerd too. Definitely would like reading some of maggie's stuff (inevitably forgetting and needing to read it again)
 

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