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Futuristic Nova One - OOC
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SilverFlight
Tende altum, volare altius
That's why this is going to be so interesting, obviously the definition of justice is subjective, and the Ascended and the Council have conflicts on the issue. On one hand the Ascended are a very developed race and have managed their own civilization very well, on the other, imposing ones own concept of justice or ideals on unwilling cultures can itself be seen as unjust. At what point does it stop being good and start being tyrannical? Hard to say.
Tarmagon
Murphy was an optimist.
The instant that you take away another sentient beings ability of self-determination when not under threat by that being, it becomes tyranny.
SilverFlight
Tende altum, volare altius
In the end though, the reason why the council is so powerful is because it tries to offer the most parsimonious solutions to the majority of the races, garnering support from the many in sacrifice of displeasing the few. The win is they have rights to call on military support from the races involved if the peace is threatened. This is an effective deterrence to radical single races that strongly disagree with the councils policies.
SilverFlight
Tende altum, volare altius
The awesome thing is, that is actually under debate IRL, what happens when you have cultures under the rule of a society that does not support the choices of that culture?
Where does the line get drawn?
Tarmagon
Murphy was an optimist.
<laughs> This has been under debate since language was developed, and we're no closer to a good answer than we were when we first asked the question.
SilverFlight
Tende altum, volare altius
Well, I don't know about that. At least we as a species have mostly moved past public stoning...
zCrookedz
The Z's are silent
Looking at it like that would put the Patronus against the council. The don't wish to impose their own influence on the species of the Universe, merely learn about them, try and help them to survive, and cultivate the life in the universe. They don't wish to impose their own ideals and influences on the races of the universe, merely watch. That being said, I am not sure they would fall into the category of the D&D alignment chart anymore. I feel like it would set them outside of the alignment all together forming a more observational standpoint.
The trick is going to be when the Council does begin imposing itself on the species of the universe, then it begin to interfere with the Natural way things would grow. Their research would be nulled because of the outside influence of how the species would grow and thrive, or not thrive.
Hmmmmmm, so much to contemplate.
SilverFlight
Tende altum, volare altius
Neutral good! (is that a thing?)
Andraus
The last survivor of the Freelands
@SilverFlight @zCrookedz
If the Ascended did everything the council told them too, i am sure they'd love to have them make up the bulk of a policing force. Solia understands the councils side on this, they are standing on thin ice as it is. The Coalition is meant for unity and cooperation, where the Ascended are used too lone wolfing it, but Solia has to make sure she looks out for her peoples interests as well.
Typically, the heads of the military are voices of opinion in the Ascended high council, but during the last one, Mehrunes was there, talking about their Independence just shy of treason. He doesn't realize how much Solia respects him for it.
If she didn't believe that this was because of what happened to her family and her brother asked her, Solia may have ruled in favor of secession.
Reasons why not?
Because this new threat is a sleeping beast the Ascended cannot defeat alone.
Because the races in the coalition need their military might just as much as they need their technological advances.
Because the food and supplies they distribute are vital to many people.
Because her brother is letting pain and passion guide his actions.
Because even if they cannot research the way they used too, the coalition has allowed great concessions in terms of science and given good territory to the Ascience.
She isn't about to let that fall apart.
If the Ascended did everything the council told them too, i am sure they'd love to have them make up the bulk of a policing force. Solia understands the councils side on this, they are standing on thin ice as it is. The Coalition is meant for unity and cooperation, where the Ascended are used too lone wolfing it, but Solia has to make sure she looks out for her peoples interests as well.
Typically, the heads of the military are voices of opinion in the Ascended high council, but during the last one, Mehrunes was there, talking about their Independence just shy of treason. He doesn't realize how much Solia respects him for it.
If she didn't believe that this was because of what happened to her family and her brother asked her, Solia may have ruled in favor of secession.
Reasons why not?
Because this new threat is a sleeping beast the Ascended cannot defeat alone.
Because the races in the coalition need their military might just as much as they need their technological advances.
Because the food and supplies they distribute are vital to many people.
Because her brother is letting pain and passion guide his actions.
Because even if they cannot research the way they used too, the coalition has allowed great concessions in terms of science and given good territory to the Ascience.
She isn't about to let that fall apart.
SilverFlight
Tende altum, volare altius
At any rate, change of pace. Lookie what I found a few weeks ago.
http://www.sciencealert.com/it-s-official-nasa-s-peer-reviewed-em-drive-paper-has-finally-been-published
In case you're wondering why I had this rp start so near in the future.
http://www.sciencealert.com/it-s-official-nasa-s-peer-reviewed-em-drive-paper-has-finally-been-published
In case you're wondering why I had this rp start so near in the future.
SilverFlight
Tende altum, volare altius
...I realize the article wasn't very clear initially.
Its a warp drive.
Its a warp drive.
Andraus
The last survivor of the Freelands
Guess it's times to get my post in.
Wish me luck!
Wish me luck!
Tarmagon
Murphy was an optimist.
Umm. Actually, the drive described in that article is closest to a reactionless drive, as defined by a drive that does not eject particulate matter in order to produce a propulsive reaction. The drive described would not be able to propel an object past light speed since its own propulsive effect is provided by light speed limited radiation. In order to achieve true warp drive, we will need to overcome the energy requirements of the Alcubierre Equations. The math for warp drive is solid, we just lack the technology to put it into practice.
SilverFlight
Tende altum, volare altius
O.o Cool. Shame it can't actually travel at light speed though, some of the reports seem to be a little over enthusiastic, but its certainly a start! I like the bit where it seems to defy a Newtonian law.
You in physics?
Tarmagon
Murphy was an optimist.
Only as a hobby. And technically it doesn't defy the Newtonian Laws. This gets into the discussion of electromagnetic radiation and it's various components. Energy is being transferred OUT of the rocket engine in the form of radiation. This results in a net push against the engine. This energy is not free, and must be generated, therefore some kind of mass is being consumed/converted into the energy providing the push. You cannot get more energy out than you put in, unless we discover a way to tap into dimensional energies.
SilverFlight
Tende altum, volare altius
So the original publication, you can understand the majority of that?
Tarmagon
Murphy was an optimist.
I went and read it. Yep. My problem is with the claim of firing lasers into the cavity, but electromagnetic propulsion is quite possible, and as the scientist noted, the engine ejects microwaves, which are much more energetic than standard visible light photons , so their imparted thrust would be greater. You still need to provide 1KW of energy to produce .4 mN of thrust, so it's still energy intensive.
Just so you know, that means the engine can accelerate about .0004 kg of mass at 1m/s. Not a lot of push
Just so you know, that means the engine can accelerate about .0004 kg of mass at 1m/s. Not a lot of push
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SilverFlight
Tende altum, volare altius
Just a quick announcement, I'd like to ask everyone to write in the common narrative format from now on, third person past tense. Is that ok with all? It would make me happy.
@Andraus I'm actually not sure what tense you're using to be honest ^^'
@Andraus I'm actually not sure what tense you're using to be honest ^^'
zCrookedz
The Z's are silent
Woo! Didn't write a novel ^^ Simple post is simple and still moving forward! @SilverFlight
Andraus
The last survivor of the Freelands
@SilverFlight
I'll try, but I have a habit of slipping out a bit. May be my bad grammar skills, or my bad writing.
Basically, recap of Mehrune's current actions? Destabilize the Council anyway that is 'legal'. Freedom of Speech isn't something they can really crack down on WITHOUT looking tyrannical, and Rallys are basically his way of gathering support. Hitting their monetary backers is another way to do it, because if they don't have the currency to support themselves, it leaves them in a bind.
I'll try, but I have a habit of slipping out a bit. May be my bad grammar skills, or my bad writing.
Basically, recap of Mehrune's current actions? Destabilize the Council anyway that is 'legal'. Freedom of Speech isn't something they can really crack down on WITHOUT looking tyrannical, and Rallys are basically his way of gathering support. Hitting their monetary backers is another way to do it, because if they don't have the currency to support themselves, it leaves them in a bind.
Andraus
The last survivor of the Freelands
zCrookedz
The Z's are silent
I am not familiar with either of those terms >.> so i'm having a hard time understanding even with the help of google.
avira
mischief managed
Honestly it's a subtle difference. Without going into a lecture, they are two philosophies that seek to do what they think is right/moral. The difference lies in how they determine what is ethical.
For Kantianism, it's fairly simple. Every human is deserving of dignity, and it is every person's duty to follow this absolute moral imperitive. In essence, they perform this thought experiment on their actions. Would the action be beneficial if every person in the world performed it? Example: I'm going to kill the next person I meet. If everyone did that, almost eveyone would be dead. Obviously not a good move. Another example: I am starving to death and need to steal some bread to eat. What if everyone stole some food? Nope, not beneficial. So, under Kantian ethics it would be wrong, even though you're denying someone (yourself) happiness.
On the other hand, Utilitarianism is much more an "ends justify the means" kind of thing. Utilitarianism is prepared to sacrifice the few for the happiness of the many. This is obviously a much more gray area. Essentially, the morality of a Utilitarianist's action are relative to their results. Example: Do you sacrifice one life to save a thousand? Under Utilitarianism, yes, you do. You're looking to promote the greatest amount of happiness you can, so you weight the actions and the outcomes. It naturally follows that 4000 > 1.
Using that same example in regards to Kantianism, you would never sacrifice anyone for any reason ever. Human life is to be treasured and every person deserves to be treated with that kind of respect.
Edit: Sorry, I guess it kinda did turn into a lecture. >_>
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SilverFlight
Tende altum, volare altius
Right?
I think the rest is cool, out of curiosity though, how much support would he have outside his own planet?
