SilverFlight
Tende altum, volare altius
So collectively we have a good understanding of physics, moral philosophy, biology, what else do we collectively know?
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avira
mischief managed
I'm getting a degree in psychology next week! 
Just a 2 year, but I suppose it's something.
Just a 2 year, but I suppose it's something.
zCrookedz
The Z's are silent
Whoooooooooa, that is some seriously deep thinking right there. I love it when I learn something new like that ^^
I'm getting a degree in psychology next week!
Thats pretty awesome avira! Congrats on all your hard work.
avira
mischief managed
@zCrookedz Me too! I'm only glad to feel my education hasn't completely gone to waste. >_>
Edit: Also, thanks! Sorry, didn't see you said that last part there.
Edit: Also, thanks! Sorry, didn't see you said that last part there.
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zCrookedz
The Z's are silent
Im sure it wont ^^
With those spelled out in such fine detail, I really can't see the Patronus falling into either of those categories XD Any other psychological categories that might fit them a little better?
Andraus
The last survivor of the Freelands
@SilverFlight
@avira
@zCrookedz
It is actually limited, but its the fact he appeals directly to the masses. Those that are affected by this: soldiers, workers, scientists, traders.
He lives a long time, so he knows how to play the long game to his advantage.
For example: he's going to put forth a motion to place a supply/habitation platform in space above the Vos homeworld. They pay for the cost of the construction and ask only for 5% of earnings for a year to cover the cost.
In exchange, the Vos get a close source of food, protection (because they have to protect their investment) as well as a chance for a sizeable economy based on agriculture.
This makes the Ascended look good in the eyes of the Vos, where as with the Coalition, its like 'where were you when we needed you?'
@avira
@zCrookedz
It is actually limited, but its the fact he appeals directly to the masses. Those that are affected by this: soldiers, workers, scientists, traders.
He lives a long time, so he knows how to play the long game to his advantage.
For example: he's going to put forth a motion to place a supply/habitation platform in space above the Vos homeworld. They pay for the cost of the construction and ask only for 5% of earnings for a year to cover the cost.
In exchange, the Vos get a close source of food, protection (because they have to protect their investment) as well as a chance for a sizeable economy based on agriculture.
This makes the Ascended look good in the eyes of the Vos, where as with the Coalition, its like 'where were you when we needed you?'
avira
mischief managed
@zCrookedz Oh goodness, there are as many philosophical schools as you can count. I wouldn't be sure where to start.
zCrookedz
The Z's are silent
lol sounds like I have a long google search ahead in my future ^^
The psychological stuff is pretty cool. I briefly considered it as a profession when I was thinking about college years back, but opted not to due to the fact that I don't generally like people XD So I went to college for computers. Now I work with people. Karma is a bitch, huh?
avira
mischief managed
@zCrookedz I've honest to god thought about doing the same, in reverse. Turns out I didn't like coding as much as I hoped I would.
avira
mischief managed
The Vos would definitely be receptive. They're very much a capitalist system and would be able to see the value in such a deal.
I get what you mean, it definitely pulls them closer together while at the same time excluding the Council.
avira
mischief managed
Speaking of the council, did we ever land on a name? Just, the Council? Or? @SilverFlight
Tarmagon
Murphy was an optimist.
So, what is your response to The Case of the Inquiring Murderer?
avira
mischief managed
I wouldn't do it. I mean, in Kantianism it's obvious that you should and why. But man, I still wouldn't. That's the thing about Kantianism, it's so strict in its interpretation of morality and ethics. I can get why someone would find a kind of comfort in it, seeing the world in such black and white. But, I personally think there's some wiggle room to be had.
What about you? Or more importantly, Solia and Mehrunes?
Tarmagon
Murphy was an optimist.
I wouldn't do it. I mean, in Kantianism it's obvious that you should and why. But man, I still wouldn't. That's the thing about Kantianism, it's so strict in its interpretation of morality and ethics. I can get why someone would find a kind of comfort in it, seeing the world in such black and white. But, I personally think there's some wiggle room to be had.
What about you? Or more importantly, Solia and Mehrunes?
Me personally? I'd tell him where his victim is, then follow him. I'd also warn his victim that the murderer was on his way, and if that wasn't possible, I'd intervene to the best of my ability when he tried to do the deed. This all assumes I couldn't warn proper authorities of course.
zCrookedz
The Z's are silent
What is that?
Tarmagon
Murphy was an optimist.
It's a philosophical thought exercise.
A man walks up to you, asking "Do you know the whereabouts of Mr. Smith, for I mean to kill him." You know exactly where Mr. Smith is at the time. How do you answer the question?
zCrookedz
The Z's are silent
Hmmmm, for me I would need to know more information. is Mr smith a criminal? did he comitt a worse crime? so many questions that I would want to know before disclosing Mr smith's wearabouts
avira
mischief managed
Well, that's our point. Within Kantianism, there is only one answer and it is very clear.
Would it be beneficial if everyone in the world lied? No? Well, there it is in black and white, no other consideration needed.
Though, obviously, not everyone is a subscirber to the Kantian ideology. Like me.
Andraus
The last survivor of the Freelands
@avira @zCrookedz @SilverFlight
For the Ascended, it's all about the long game: What is going to benefit people the most, and how to achieve it. Cause and Effect. Can it be done, and how much is it going to cost. Not very complex, if you think about it. Mehrunes knows how to achieve this by using both his intellect and their current state of being.
The Vos have had a bad time trusting others, but The Ascended have a reputation for always looking out for their allies, so there is a one.
They possess a well-developed economy, advanced technology, and a strong military, so there is another.
Their belief system relies on the majority benefiting instead of just themselves, and that's three.
Mehrunes uses these facts, and plays on them through the Coalitions system. A few protests and rally's to show the problems with the Coalitions system, that falls within their right of free speech. Building a supply/habitation platform above orbit means the Vos gain a reliable and philanthropic source of food, which will be protected for an entire year by the Ascended's military (longer if they continue to provide supplies, which is up to them), and they merely have to give 5% of their earnings for that time period to cover the costs.
What does this do? It puts the Ascended in a popular light, that they're much more reliable, and makes the Coalition seem incompetent and ineffective. Cause and Effect.
For the Ascended, it's all about the long game: What is going to benefit people the most, and how to achieve it. Cause and Effect. Can it be done, and how much is it going to cost. Not very complex, if you think about it. Mehrunes knows how to achieve this by using both his intellect and their current state of being.
The Vos have had a bad time trusting others, but The Ascended have a reputation for always looking out for their allies, so there is a one.
They possess a well-developed economy, advanced technology, and a strong military, so there is another.
Their belief system relies on the majority benefiting instead of just themselves, and that's three.
Mehrunes uses these facts, and plays on them through the Coalitions system. A few protests and rally's to show the problems with the Coalitions system, that falls within their right of free speech. Building a supply/habitation platform above orbit means the Vos gain a reliable and philanthropic source of food, which will be protected for an entire year by the Ascended's military (longer if they continue to provide supplies, which is up to them), and they merely have to give 5% of their earnings for that time period to cover the costs.
What does this do? It puts the Ascended in a popular light, that they're much more reliable, and makes the Coalition seem incompetent and ineffective. Cause and Effect.
Andraus
The last survivor of the Freelands
@avira @SilverFlight @zCrookedz
This is damning to the Coalition for a few reasons.
One, The Vos have been in a bind over being exploited for years, and there has not been much done for them. Not even the people that exploited them have paid for it. All of a sudden, a new race like the Ascended comes along, and they start helping them rebuild and regrow, as well as get revenge on those that exploited them (Aka, attacking smuggling rings and pirate bands near the home world.) Basically coming in and succeeding where the Coalition failed.
Two, The Ascended are being heavily restricted due to their culture based on Genetic Research and Military Development. Both have been pushed around and oppressed (at least that is what is viewed in the public eye). It is often said 'birds of a feather flock together' and as both know the pain of oppression, they as species can bond over it, and that bond can easily turn into an anger towards the Coalition that has failed them.
Three, The Ascended always fight for equality and fair treatment, that has been the staple principle of their society for years. Here is a race READY and WILLING to fight for the Vos (and anyone else that needs it) and yet the Coalition paints them as a problem.
In short, the Ascended take action, accomplishing their goals and protecting their allies, and from the main point of view, all the Coalition does is bluster and sit around, allowing races like the Lunishan to continue their barbaric practices, in the name of 'balance'.
Not to mention, if the Coalition tried to interfere with the Supply/Habitation Platform, a number of things could go wrong.
1. If they tried to prevent it, it would be seen as detrimental towards Vos society, as they're basically preventing them from growing their own food or allowing anyone to help out.
2. If they tried to take over the project, it would be seen as if they were trying to save face and steal another's idea, again not a very popular view point.
3. Since it is being introduced as a Solely Ascended-Vos project, to improve conditions for Vos, the Coalition basically gain nothing from it, but stepping in would put into question as to their legitimacy on authority, but either way earns a lot of good will towards the Ascended.
If you were put into this position, which side would you favor more?
This is damning to the Coalition for a few reasons.
One, The Vos have been in a bind over being exploited for years, and there has not been much done for them. Not even the people that exploited them have paid for it. All of a sudden, a new race like the Ascended comes along, and they start helping them rebuild and regrow, as well as get revenge on those that exploited them (Aka, attacking smuggling rings and pirate bands near the home world.) Basically coming in and succeeding where the Coalition failed.
Two, The Ascended are being heavily restricted due to their culture based on Genetic Research and Military Development. Both have been pushed around and oppressed (at least that is what is viewed in the public eye). It is often said 'birds of a feather flock together' and as both know the pain of oppression, they as species can bond over it, and that bond can easily turn into an anger towards the Coalition that has failed them.
Three, The Ascended always fight for equality and fair treatment, that has been the staple principle of their society for years. Here is a race READY and WILLING to fight for the Vos (and anyone else that needs it) and yet the Coalition paints them as a problem.
In short, the Ascended take action, accomplishing their goals and protecting their allies, and from the main point of view, all the Coalition does is bluster and sit around, allowing races like the Lunishan to continue their barbaric practices, in the name of 'balance'.
Not to mention, if the Coalition tried to interfere with the Supply/Habitation Platform, a number of things could go wrong.
1. If they tried to prevent it, it would be seen as detrimental towards Vos society, as they're basically preventing them from growing their own food or allowing anyone to help out.
2. If they tried to take over the project, it would be seen as if they were trying to save face and steal another's idea, again not a very popular view point.
3. Since it is being introduced as a Solely Ascended-Vos project, to improve conditions for Vos, the Coalition basically gain nothing from it, but stepping in would put into question as to their legitimacy on authority, but either way earns a lot of good will towards the Ascended.
If you were put into this position, which side would you favor more?
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From what I've read and what I understand about the Vos, I actually kind of feel like as long as the habitat is constructed, none of them would really care who constructs it.
Not to mention that it doesn't seem all that simple a proposition in the first place; I'm sure that there would be different amenities provided to such a station, depending on which "side" built it.
Boy, I sure missed a lot while I was out today!
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avira
mischief managed
I am so wildly excited that the Vos are (hopefully) becoming part of the story even though we have no Vosite characters! Maybe I'll get to bring one in later, we'll see how things develop. Gosh, I'm loving this RP even though we're only a little bit in. 
SilverFlight
Tende altum, volare altius
Not really, I just call them The Intergalactic Council, or 'The Council'
Andraus
The last survivor of the Freelands
@SilverFlight I asked these two for opinions, but I don't think I asked you: How would your characters feel about the Ascended?
