Fantasy Mess Hall (OOC)

[Kylesar1]

Perfectly fine with me

 

[WayfaringWaaksian]

Kylesar1

I've come to a decision. How about Nancy has worked SOME-- enough to keep his mind from spiraling-- but not enough to cover his room and board, which Vespera has picked up the slack on? I guess that would require minor edits on your part, but like you said, the gist is the same.

 

[Kylesar1]

No problem, I can make a few edits. Just tell me where and, if you have the idea, the gist of what you want me to edit it to
WayfaringWaaksian

 

[WayfaringWaaksian]

Just anywhere Steven said Nancy didn't lift a finger, since that's not the literal truth. Everything else I imagine still applies in his mind. Part-time work in the face of a sudden 25% workforce drop probably still looks like nonsense after Nancy rebuffing him like he did.

 

[Kylesar1]

Easy. I'll let you know when I edit it

 

[WayfaringWaaksian]

Kylesar1

I've been so fixated on Nancy's part that I realized how underdeveloped Bogrum is in comparison to my other characters
Not to say I don't have plenty of plans for him, I've just got stuff to fill in! The lore drops help a ton. I'll be giving his part a little extra thought since I just finished writing Nancy's part, but it should all be done tomorrow.

 

[Kylesar1]

My next post sets up the timeskip to the Crew Shuffle and Departure. Do you have a reason to extend the scene for the current evening?
WayfaringWaaksian

 

[WayfaringWaaksian]

My next post sets up the timeskip to the Crew Shuffle and Departure. Do you have a reason to extend the scene for the current evening?
WayfaringWaaksian

Nah, let's progress. The only thing left is Nancy giving Vespera her gift, but we can play out that scene right after the time skip. I'll wrap up the Fergie/Nancy scene in my next post.

 

[WayfaringWaaksian]

Kylesar1

Not relevant to anything pressing, just curious because it's been bouncing around in my noggin. Given the developments over the past year regarding Unholy/Daedric, I was wondering about the scene where Evangeline was about to merc' Nancy for possessing a Daedric item. Is that sort of thing even Legal considering Daedric have their own place under Divinity Law?

 

[Kylesar1]

Normally, it would be illegal to just kill someone outright for that, but:

1. The offense is more that Nancy was utilizing it while having Holy Divine Favor, knowingly or not. Simply having it isn't the offense per se, because one could take it to be purified, or returning it to its original owner
2. Since he got it from Ves, a longtime friend and person he knew was of Daedric origin, it would be an easy case of aiding and abetting for Evangeline to justify, then turn around and justify killing Ves for leading a Holy Faithful astray
3. Even if it were illegal, Evangeline would get a slap on the wrist since Nancy is a lost species. It just would've caused severe problems between Mariana and Banera

It does remind me though that I'm gonna strip Vespera and Vampires in general of anything Daedric. I think it needs to stay strictly to followers, and Ves isn't following any Gods. Creator of the species or not, if you're not following that God, you don't get that God's Gift
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[WayfaringWaaksian]

Kylesar1

That is so fucked, what. What the fuck. So Holy and Daedric followers aren't allowed to help each other? I'm sort of confused by what's considered "aiding and abetting". Also that makes me concerned about Nancy being Zeltzan's apprentice, how is that allowed when she had Daedric Favor?

But btw, I thought it was established that Nancy didn't receive Favor until right after that encounter, when Nancy was given the Coin? Or does a Follower automatically receive some amount of Favor once they become a Follower?

 

[Kylesar1]

Help is a strong word. Help as in support what they do, be there for them, yada-yada? Of course they're able. Giving them relics they're not allowed to utilize? Trying to warn her that she was being looked for so she could take action either to run or fight? No-go

This goes into grey areas when dealing with close Gods or dual-hatting Gods, but the gist remains. And we've been establishing that the system is very stringent, Holy moreso than Daedric

Then again, as I said, I'm gonna remove all Daedric influence from Vespera anyways since she doesn't follow a God

Also that makes me concerned about Nancy being Zeltzan's apprentice, how is that allowed when she had Daedric Favor?

Coprini doesn't give a damn if Zeltzan helps Nancy or has helped Nancy. That's it. That's the answer lol. Remember, while they both fall under Divinity Law, how that law is enforced is entirely different between Holy and Daedric circles. Coprini would only begin caring if Zeltzan's aiding Nancy starts fucking with her Influence, her Will, or her Faithful. She's the Daedric Lady of Taboos. She doesn't have a lot of reason to care about this Taboo

But btw, I thought it was established that Nancy didn't receive Favor until right after that encounter, when Nancy was given the Coin? Or does a Follower automatically receive some amount of Favor once they become a Follower?

I assumed he always HAD Favor, but it was repressed like everyone else's when they went into the Null Realm. Everyone started losing it in the Null Realm and started getting it back once they exited. It's why Arnold's team couldn't keep up with Bogrum's teams' Holy Magic during the fight. Also why all the nuns got stripped of their Divine Favor and why Vlad recently got Stripped of his. It wouldn't make sense (at least to me) why a long time devoted follower only just now acquired official Divine Favor after 200 years devotion. If anything, given his devotion and applying that logic to those nuns, Nancy probably could've become an Angel like Mariah did...........if not for his extreme self-loathing

In fact, one could say his personal Favor is why the Goddess overlooked him being mentored by Zeltzan anyways. Kind of fits, given that the Goddess is allowing Elaina to keep mentoring the girls (though with Sebas there to enforce boundaries)

The Coin was effectively a boon, not only to protect him from demons, but to rally people as hand-picked by the Goddess with that physical proof.

 

[WayfaringWaaksian]

I gotcha now. That clears it up, thanks.

As for Nancy having had Favor before, yeah, I suppose that makes sense. For someone as strongly devoted since childhood, it would be strange if he didn't. I see no reason for him to have not accepted it.

For Guild, I knew there was eventually going to be the conversation between Nancy and Mariana where he'd ask if working under Zeltzan was an option, but this cements its importance. Whenever we get back into it, that is.

Then again, as I said, I'm gonna remove all Daedric influence from Vespera anyways since she doesn't follow a God

With this, does that mean the thing with Evangeline is effectively rectonned? Or is it still a thing because technically the relic was Daedric, Vespera's nonfollower status moot?

 

[Kylesar1]

For Guild, I knew there was eventually going to be the conversation between Nancy and Mariana where he'd ask if working under Zeltzan was an option, but this cements its importance. Whenever we get back into it, that is.

No rush. We'll get there when we get there. Until then, enjoy the other RPs you got.

With this, does that mean the thing with Evangeline is effectively rectonned? Or is it still a thing because technically the relic was Daedric, Vespera's nonfollower status moot?

Nope, it'll be a strip not a full retcon. It'll free up every "hellspawn" type creature from their respective creators. This means Vampires, werewolves, imps. It'll be more of a modern update than a retcon. An update is explaining the change between past and present. A retcon is changing the past entirely to match the present with all the lore between it. I'm doing an UPDATE, not the retcon. In this case, it's making Favor into a privilege, not a birthright. Before, Ves had Daedric as a birthright. Now, due to the 200 year hiatus, if she's not serving a Daedric Lord, she doesn't have Daedric Divine Favor anymore

So yes, the relic was still Daedric, which is why Evangeline's thing still stood. A retcon would mean it doesn't stand and now we got another plot problem among many lol

 

[WayfaringWaaksian]

Kylesar1

Well that took FUCKING FOREVER, but here it is. IRL stuff going on, as well as the emotional aspect of tying all that together. But I'm pretty proud of what I've written.

 

[Kylesar1]

WayfaringWaaksian

Damn good post, I must say. Really emotional. It was hard to read but really good to read as well

 

[WayfaringWaaksian]

WayfaringWaaksian

Damn good post, I must say. Really emotional. It was hard to read but really good to read as well

Thankie :3 I love angst
Originally Fergie was going to cheer him up some, but it felt like that was just pushing back Nancy's eventual breakdown. We need that boy to break, lmao, then he can properly try to heal from all this shit.
Good push for what I have planned for Fergie too, but I'll shut up and let that play out itself my next post.

 

[WayfaringWaaksian]

Kylesar1
Say, should I have put up a trigger warning for that scene? I didn't reason being the suicidal/self harm ideation have just been a consistent thing with Nancy now, but that particular scene was pretty intense. I dunno, should I warn for next times?


Additional thought, this was why I was originally reluctant to go this path with Steven, lol. His words towards Nancy will have some long-lasting consequences, none of it good. It will be even harder for Nancy to take care of himself. However, it also pushed for said emotional breakdown, which will get Nancy to come clean about his true feelings about the situation. I guess like ripping off a bandaid. Get the rawness over with. So ultimately I decided to for that's sake.

But anyways, player to GM, please let something good happen to this boy soon, LMAO. We both need it.

 

[Kylesar1]

Kylesar1
Say, should I have put up a trigger warning for that scene? I didn't reason being the suicidal/self harm ideation have just been a consistent thing with Nancy now, but that particular scene was pretty intense. I dunno, should I warn for next times?


Additional thought, this was why I was originally reluctant to go this path with Steven, lol. His words towards Nancy will have some long-lasting consequences, none of it good. It will be even harder for Nancy to take care of himself. However, it also pushed for said emotional breakdown, which will get Nancy to come clean about his true feelings about the situation. I guess like ripping off a bandaid. Get the rawness over with. So ultimately I decided to for that's sake.

But anyways, player to GM, please let something good happen to this boy soon, LMAO. We both need it.

I don't really need trigger warnings, but if you feel the need to put it, feel free. I think the last time I did it was when I wrote out Vespera's mental issues and ideation while in the Null Realm, and even then, I did it because you were expressing enough for me to feel the need to use it. So go ahead if you feel the need

And yeah, Steven ain't for everyone. He's a good dude with a heart of gold. That gold is just what the thorns covering said heart are made of. No soft bois, especially with Nancy being a long time follower breaking Law. Jack is the better option if he ever seeks sympathy from a man lol. Sebas doesn't care because he's too busy worrying about the girls and their problems

Well, your options are Jack, Sebas, and Elaina for any type of good to happen. Elaina is probably best bet since she just helped Ves like BIG TIME to the point where it slightly swayed her view of Elaina overall. Sebas has the additional support of Ora but the wildcard of Lostro. It's on Nancy to pursue that good event to happen, because I'm down to make it happen, especially if you have something specific in mind

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Working on my post though. It'll be a beefy one since I'm writing for 2 days then the present day. You'll only need to respond to the present day of course. Let's get this crew shuffle and departure.

 

[WayfaringWaaksian]

Kylesar1
You remembered me talking about the Evangeline thing with the catty nuns? That's really sweet . I don't think I need tw for that myself, given how willing I've been to go balls deep into those themes, but I appreciate it. I'll likely forgo warnings for now, but if anyone new wants to join I'll warn them preemptively that they'll see a lot of that stuff.

Spoiler: this turned out long-winded, sorry

In Steven's defense, there's no way he can know the full gravity of what this is doing to Nancy. It's coming across like he thinks Nancy is upset because "boo hoo consequences of my actions". Which... kinda, but it's way more than that. He was mostly coming to terms with being punished, but then Goddess pulled Some Real Bullshit, which fucked him up more than any slap-on-the-wrist 5 year exile could do. Less "soft boi" and more "emotionally scarred boi" in this case.

But Steven doesn't know that! Elaina didn't tell him everything if he's marching over to Nancy demanding what the punishment was. His strongest virtue seems to be Justice, so I have a feeling he'd be at least slightly sympathetic (ie, really fucking angry) if he knew the batshit insane punishment Nancy got, and that Nancy is losing his mind from it because it's warping his perception of himself.

Then again, he wasn't at all sympathetic to Vespera regarding her struggles... but that was involving kids that he personally had to send to "God". And he likely wouldn't have come on as strong if Ves hadn't been bitchy towards him, lol. Can't blame a man for giving what he's getting.

If I'm right, then it's a shame that Nancy lied to him. That could have been cleared up right then. Looks like we'll be expecting some continued miscommunication between them for when they do eventually talk again.

As for good outcomes, I've had a few ideas.

Jack - This won't be the very next step, but Nancy will eventually garner the nerve to reach out. He'll be cagey about it because of the altercation with Steven.
Sebas - He'll avoid reaching out because he knows Sebas is a busy man with kids and a leadership position. He doesn't want to sadle him with another "child".
Elaina - This is the best option, but the one Nancy will be most reluctant to take. He's convinced she'll be horrible to him, but once he finds out how much she helped Ves, that will significantly soften his view on her.

Immediate Future:
I've long had this planned, but I see a way to segue this into getting him to talk with Elaina. Nancy will start to fall ill over the course of those 2 days, contracted something after being in contact with other Pisceans for the first time in forever. Also a mix of neglecting his physical needs + getting used to living in a timed realm. However, he will be terrified at the prospect of being under Dr. Laylah's care. Doesn't even want to know the kind of shit she might tell him (probably nice things knowing Laylah, but all Nancy knows is someone willing to raze his entire homeland to the ground).
My thought is that Nancy will bite the bullet and try to buy/work for medicine from Elaina so that he can avoid interacting with another Holy person. Why tf he's asking a witch for this instead of a doctor will be an obvious discussion.

Near Future:
I'm also still very invested in the idea of other Gods taking interest in Nancy and trying to sway him to their service. A God basically showing him that he's worth risking that taboo over will be incredibly healing towards his self-worth + reassure him that what was done to him was, indeed, Fucked Up and Wrong. That, and for plot progression. A challenge towards his devotion to Mariana, and all the things converting would entail. If Nancy decided to go along with it, that is. Whatever his decision, it will be a turning point for him.
I suspect the Daedric King of Pride might be one of them, given his "I'd treat him right" comments. Wouldn't that be something? The embodiment of Pride telling Nancy that he would be proud to have him in his ranks? It would break his poor little brain, and I want to see it.

 

[Kylesar1]

Thinking of a character arc for Laylah. But it would require a challenge to the system not unlike that of Elaina

Basically it would be that Laylah is struggling with extreme feelings of Wrath towards the people of Kraiven. She HATES them and doesn't want to treat them, yet she's feeling extreme guilt at her feelings of not wanting to treat them. She's treating them but she doesn't WANT to. She's having feelings that she simply doesn't want to have

It would mean that she eventually challenges the Spring Prince Qeien who is the source of the wrath. Not sure if I'll pursue that route because I want Divinity to take a backseat, but damn it sounds like a good one to me
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[WayfaringWaaksian]

Kylesar1
Hella, let's do it! If it involves fucking Divinity back, I'm all for it . The Noi Twins arc has got me pretty vindictive. Not just towards the Goddess (though that's more of a HER problem than Divinity, lol), but the system in general. Every time I hear "Holy Divinity Law is harsh" I just think, say what it really is! Cruel, exploitative, and manipulative. Fuck them gods.
Of course, this is just my opinion, but... I'm right. Smite me.


Rant aside, it sounds really fun. A devoted follower grappling between her duties as a doctor and her duties as an angel? Or a Love vs Duty sort of plot in general. And I mean, her being a 6-Star, we gotta see what Ascending from that looks like.

Speaking of which...
Mariah meaning "Star of the Sea"? Angels being able to challenge their God to take their place? Something going on there?

 

[Kylesar1]

Mariah meaning "Star of the Sea"? Angels being able to challenge their God to take their place? Something going on there?

I think Mariah said that in her dialog when she was made an Angel, it's not for no reason. It grinds on the whole thing of everything having meaning

I say that as a man who named her on a whim not even thinking about the Goddess. It just lined up

The issue is that it's beyond the scope of what I intend for this RP. Mariah was ABSOLUTELY gonna challenge Marianna if she didn't fulfill her goal for Orivae. It was gonna be the overarching story of Orivae.

Hella, let's do it! If it involves fucking Divinity back, I'm all for it . The Noi Twins arc has got me pretty vindictive. Not just towards the Goddess (though that's more of a HER problem than Divinity, lol), but the system in general. Every time I hear "Holy Divinity Law is harsh" I just think, say what it really is! Cruel, exploitative, and manipulative. Fuck them gods.
Of course, this is just my opinion, but... I'm right. Smite me.


Rant aside, it sounds really fun. A devoted follower grappling between her duties as a doctor and her duties as an angel? Or a Love vs Duty sort of plot in general. And I mean, her being a 6-Star, we gotta see what Ascending from that looks like.

It sounds like the correct idea overall. Divinity Law isn't something to be morally justifiable. It's made to be absolute. It's not like Mariah would uphold the system. She would more follow her her own path. Demi is the BEST idea of how Gods interact with their followers. Nancy is the literal worst

 

[Kylesar1]

Oh by way, Bogrum will have to choose both between the Canine and Caboose, and his co-captain. I didn't show those cannons on Naka for no reason
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[WayfaringWaaksian]

The issue is that it's beyond the scope of what I intend for this RP. Mariah was ABSOLUTELY gonna challenge Marianna if she didn't fulfill her goal for Orivae. It was gonna be the overarching story of Orivae.

It's never too late for Mariana to have another fuck-up
Unless she's met her fuck-up quota for the Orivae arc, but I suppose time will tell.

It sounds like the correct idea overall. Divinity Law isn't something to be morally justifiable. It's made to be absolute. It's not like Mariah would uphold the system. She would more follow her her own path. Demi is the BEST idea of how Gods interact with their followers. Nancy is the literal worst

Speaking of whom, Nellie and Mariah are due for... a chat. Later obs, but it will come up. She's not pleased with her. But this is Nellie talking about, she's never pleased with anyone, lmao

Oh by way, Bogrum will have to choose both between the Canine and Caboose, and his co-captain. I didn't show those cannons on Naka for no reason

Got it. I'll be considering that in the meantime.