Futuristic Agent of Maniacles OOC and Characters

[Kinggunlucky]

A bit of both. So my dead name (which I prefer to not go into) has religious connotations AND it's more obvious that it's feminine. Scout is much simpler and I feel is unisex despite its storybook character name. I've also looked at Everet/Everette.

It's weird for me. Some have argued I'm more genderfluid (leaning more towards feminine/masculine depending on the mood or day) so I wanna find something that best fits it. Gender dysphoria is a B man.


Wyn IS a pretty name. I'd def see it as a fem name.

That's cool. Makes sense that you'd want something that can be taken as either or. I do have a question, though. I mean no offense by it of course. Its just something I've always wondered.

Hows the gender thing work? When gender fluid.

Dont get me wrong. I know some folks just happen to be born feeling opposite of their biological sex. The same way some folks pop up liking the same sex. Everyone has their differences.

So, how does being gender fluid work? Identity wise. How is it different from like just being a tomboy or a tomgirl?

Sorry if offensive. I was generally curious about how its like.

I'm basic myself. Ya know? Born a male, identify as male, straight, white in the streets, black in the sheets etc. I love talking to people about themselves.

 

[Beleth]

That's cool. Makes sense that you'd want something that can be taken as either or. I do have a question, though. I mean no offense by it of course. Its just something I've always wondered.

Hows the gender thing work? When gender fluid.

Dont get me wrong. I know some folks just happen to be born feeling opposite of their biological sex. The same way some folks pop up liking the same sex. Everyone has their differences.

So, how does being gender fluid work? Identity wise. How is it different from like just being a tomboy or a tomgirl?

Sorry if offensive. I was generally curious about how its like.

I'm basic myself. Ya know? Born a male, identify as male, straight, white in the streets, black in the sheets etc. I love talking to people about themselves.

I appreciate the caution (= goes a long way. (That isn't meant to be condescending, I've had people straight up be like 'so you're a tom-boy?')

So it goes back to the basics (well for me). Gender dysphoria is when someone's body and internal identity don't match. Physically I'm female but there are days when I forget that I'm ACTUALLY a girl and try to take on the roles of a male. I look in the mirror, see two round things in the mirror and I'm like "thats [censored] disgusting, lop them off". A tom-boy would just dress a lil rougher but they keep in mind that they are a girl.

A tom-boy doesn't aim to 'pass' as a man in their day to day life. They don't bind their chest, wish they were referred to as a male (he/him) pronouns while also wishing to be able to walk into a man's bathroom not because it's 'hot' or 'sexy' but because they GENUINELY want to associate with the male society.

Then. There are other days. Other days where I feel the exact opposite. I look into a mirror, admire my assets and dress so girly I don't recognize the person I was the other day. (I mean I do, it's a drastic difference). I'll use the female restrooms and walk among any other girl.

Majority of the time my external consensus is: I don't identify with strictly either. I don't want male anatomy but I also don't want to have most of the female (top) assets. Which is why when you guys thought I was a man, I was pleasantly flattered.

Does this help with it?

 

[Kinggunlucky]

I appreciate the caution (= goes a long way. (That isn't meant to be condescending, I've had people straight up be like 'so you're a tom-boy?')

So it goes back to the basics (well for me). Gender dysphoria is when someone's body and internal identity don't match. Physically I'm female but there are days when I forget that I'm ACTUALLY a girl and try to take on the roles of a male. I look in the mirror, see two round things in the mirror and I'm like "thats [censored] disgusting, lop them off". A tom-boy would just dress a lil rougher but they keep in mind that they are a girl.

A tom-boy doesn't aim to 'pass' as a man in their day to day life. They don't bind their chest, wish they were referred to as a male (he/him) pronouns while also wishing to be able to walk into a man's bathroom not because it's 'hot' or 'sexy' but because they GENUINELY want to associate with the male society.

Then. There are other days. Other days where I feel the exact opposite. I look into a mirror, admire my assets and dress so girly I don't recognize the person I was the other day. (I mean I do, it's a drastic difference). I'll use the female restrooms and walk among any other girl.

Majority of the time my external consensus is: I don't identify with strictly either. I don't want male anatomy but I also don't want to have most of the female (top) assets. Which is why when you guys thought I was a man, I was pleasantly flattered.

Does this help with it?

I understand now. I mean it's like being both at once or well flipping from one gear to another without control.
I was somewhat familiar with gender dysphoria. The concept of identity or so not matching the outer appearance. The term gender fluid and its function is what was confusing, but you cleared it up.

Quite fascinating.

Thank you for the education.

 

[Darkling0096]

I return

 

[Beleth]

I understand now. I mean it's like being both at once or well flipping from one gear to another without control.
I was somewhat familiar with gender dysphoria. The concept of identity or so not matching the outer appearance. The term gender fluid and its function is what was confusing, but you cleared it up.

Quite fascinating.

Thank you for the education.

Happy to help! But typically genderfluid yeah it switches from one spectrum to the other.
It's a frustrating experience and I wouldn't wish it upon my worst enemies. But to not abide by it... it's very similar to having a man who KNOWS and is comfortable with being a man .. and placing him into a dress and forcing him to behave like a girl.

It's uncomfortable and obviously wouldn't fit their image of themselves.

 

[Kinggunlucky]

Happy to help! But typically genderfluid yeah it switches from one spectrum to the other.
It's a frustrating experience and I wouldn't wish it upon my worst enemies. But to not abide by it... it's very similar to having a man who KNOWS and is comfortable with being a man .. and placing him into a dress and forcing him to behave like a girl.

It's uncomfortable and obviously wouldn't fit their image of themselves.

Somewhat an expectation of society, though to. In a world where men wearing clothing more associated with women was normalized a man might not be embarrassed or uncomfortable.

A woman wearing more 'male type' clothing is more normalized then the opposite for example.

So if in a hypothetical society where people saw clothes as just clothes the overall perception might be different.

Maybe.

 

[Beleth]

I return

wb bb

Somewhat an expectation of society, though to. In a world where men wearing clothing more associated with women was normalized a man might not be embarrassed or uncomfortable.

A woman wearing more 'male type' clothing is more normalized then the opposite for example.

So if in a hypothetical society where people saw clothes as just clothes the overall perception might be different.

Maybe.

Precisely. And if the stigma of women doing (X) and men having to do (Y). And removing the perception of man vs female bathrooms. There's a LOT that goes into it.

 

[Spoiled Bread]

bathroom is different though, it's not related to gender but sex.

 

[Beleth]

bathroom is different though, it's not related to gender but sex.

That's true that's true. Okay. I take that one back lol

 

[Kinggunlucky]

I'll take a libertarian approach. It should be up to the business owner/establishment to determine what their bathroom policies are.

 

[mmarage]

01 has temporarily left the party. Splitting up during a horror scenario, this never went wrong before. lol

 

[Kinggunlucky]

Personally, I think a lot of people often ignore the importance of culture and society when it comes to behavior. I also think humans in general are incapable of ever living in a manner that would let us be accepting of or always looking at things from all perspectives, especially when we are part of groups. A person is smart, people are stupid. We're also prone to behavior that I don't think can be taken out of us.

So like religion for example.

You may have an an atheist or someone who grew up with religion as an oppressive system and they might say 'The world would be better off with religion. It flies planes into buildings, oppresses gay people etc." All this is true.

I think people who say stuff like that ignore certain fundamentals truths, though. If religion didn't exist or at the least if Christianity wasn't the dominant religion...what do you think would have happened? Something else would have filled that gap. It would have had a different name, different structure, had its set of pros and cons, but it would have filled that itch we as people have for faith and group think.

Now yes I know we weren't talking about religion, but I'm using to illustrate a point. I think we are prone to being drawn to groups and belief systems. Religion is part of society of course. What is society if not a set of the majority agreeing to a social contract? I think society produces large examples of herd mentality, but people in the herds who are high in intellect, creativity, ambition, and more often than not ruthlessness tend to decide the direction of these herds or at least have a strong influence on them. For better or worse.

Also, before I'm called out for being anti-religious at all. I am not. Religion has provided many help to the less fortunate, inspired much great art, and philosophy. I view religion, economic systems, government systems, and pretty much anything else in the manner of a double edged sword.

My point is ...

Three people can have very similar ideas or beliefs. One might feed a million people. The other might kill million. And a third guy might do both.

 

[Kinggunlucky]

Of course I might just be talking out of my ass, but figured I'd share some philosophical ramblings

 

[mmarage]

I'll take a libertarian approach. It should be up to the business owner/establishment to determine what their bathroom policies are.

Ah, the bathroom debate. My position on this is that no law should be in place. If a dude enters a woman's bathroom, or vice versa, and does something creepy, then they're probably breaking a law already, no need to specify whether a biological woman has to go to the women's bathroom and same with biological men and the men's bathroom. It just creates confusion when a masculine looking woman or a feminine looking man enters the right bathroom. I remember that a lesbian woman got the cops called on her because she looked a tad too masculine.

But, by also making the bathroom laws stating 'You go into the bathroom of whichever gender you identify as' then that's something that can easily be abused by creeps too by saying 'Well, I identify as a woman/man', you can 'identify' as just about anything, that isn't any legal standard, you're not saying that they have to have been properly diagnosed with gender dysphoria, begin their transition, go through the legal processes necessary to be legally acknowledged as a man or woman, which are steps, that I think, must be taken if you're going to make a law specifying which bathroom a person has to use. If you just have to identify as a woman or a man to enter that type of bathroom, then that's all purely mental, you can't prove that I am lying or if I am being legitimate.

Like, the initial reasoning and justification behind those laws were absurd in the first place. A transwoman might go into the women's bathroom and sexually assault children! Think of the children! Trans people are pedos! I remember these conservative talking heads losing their collective shit because a trans person did indeed eventually sexually assault a child in a bathroom... a private one, in their own home, when they were a friend of the child's family. They tended to leave that detail out. It's like, 'no duh, there are good trans people, and there are bad trans people, they're human beings, there are good ones and bad ones, simple as that. Fuck off with the generalizing statements, including claims that one group is all good period, that's putting them on a pedestal rather than recognizing that they're just regular human beings that are just a bit different'.

 

[Kinggunlucky]

mmarage

I that's why it makes the most sense to have the businesses or establishment owners to be the ones who have say over their own bathroom policies. So if a business wants co-ed bathrooms, separate bathrooms, trans people let in the bathroom they identify with etc. I think that's their business. They can also deal with the consequences if anything goes wrong.

No Government law, though. Maybe we could transition into something like that, but I don't think the collective society is ready for that, although sometimes it is good to give society what they aren't ready for, nor do I think I've been presented with a good enough policy on it.

A smart thing to do by letting the businesses set their standards on it is we could also maybe a run research program run by a transparent enough organization could collect data from it. I doubt it would ever happen and honestly there are more important matters to sink resources and time into firstly. This isn't something I'd not consider very pressing, but it could help come up with better solutions and ideas to the issue itself. Collecting data and doing studies on the topic for a solid amount of time.

What was the ratio of comfortable people to uncomfortable people in co-ed bathrooms in a single day?

What's the rate of someone pretending to be a different gender to actually peep on people?

How has being allowed to use a bathroom an actual trans persons identifies as improved their mental health?

What's the culture of the state and how does that play into it?

Ya know? A lot more questions and analysis could be asked, but I think this way provides a certain level of long term planning and possibilities. Once the data is collected, then maybe we can talk about policy, but the policy should be heavily reviewed, and discussed. If at all. And if no policy or anything or regardless of it. How can we make life more comfortable and safe for everyone while they take a shit.

 

[KotaKotsu]

ight, y'all. I'm gonna bounce for an hour or so, knock some homework out. Later

When you come back, you can react!

 

[KotaKotsu]

KingMarkie#6581

I also sent you a friend request.

 

[AbatedBigfoot]

Wow this chat turned into something else huh

 

[KotaKotsu]

Wow this chat turned into something else huh

Ya ain't wrong

 

[AbatedBigfoot]

Not trying to offend anyone but I see it as it being stupid. You are born a male then you is a male whether you cut your dick off or not.

Personally it's your body and you can do what you want to it. I won't support it but I also won't shame you about it either. Hell I'll probably ask a shit load of questions about it too.

The only thing that really bothers me when it comes to this topic is when someone has to point it out like "Yeah I'm genderfuild" or like when it just come out of nowhere when it wasn't even being talked about. At that point I think it's more of an attention thing.

But again I won't hate you for it but I won't support it either. Sorry again if I hurt anyone's feelings

 

[AbatedBigfoot]

Although ironically I'm about to wear a skirt to work because I fucking hate pants with a burning passion

 

[Kinggunlucky]

Not trying to offend anyone but I see it as it being stupid. You are born a male then you is a male whether you cut your dick off or not.

Personally it's your body and you can do what you want to it. I won't support it but I also won't shame you about it either. Hell I'll probably ask a shit load of questions about it too.

The only thing that really bothers me when it comes to this topic is when someone has to point it out like "Yeah I'm genderfuild" or like when it just come out of nowhere when it wasn't even being talked about. At that point I think it's more of an attention thing.

But again I won't hate you for it but I won't support it either. Sorry again if I hurt anyone's feelings

Well, note I'm not offended. I don't get offended. I'm also not trans anything, but I do like to prod and poke. So allow me. I'm afraid it isn't so simple. You are correct that no amount of surgery can change the true biological nature of sex. It is also true that before anyone undergo a sex change operation they should have a lot of time to think it over and decide if it is for them. I mean therapy and everything. Not to change who they are, but to see if they would want reconstructive surgery or if it is really for them.

With that said.

People are not gender-fluid or trans for attention. Nobody, or damn nearly nobody, would choose to have gender dysphoria. It's a very real thing. A painful thing to be uncomfortable in your skin. It's up to all of us to be kind to our fellow man and woman. We need help them mitigate that feeling, make thee feel more accepted. Gender dysphoria has always been a thing and as far as people mentioning it out of the blue... I say that's perfectly great. How many years were trans and gender fluid people went without being able to mention it in our culture? Hell, even gay people were only just recently accepted into our culture and that's still not cool with a lot of people.

I've spent the better part of this chat talking about masturbation, how I love beautiful women. and a number of sexual things. All were hilarious, yes, but also attention seeking. You didn't have a problem with that. All Winter/Everest Skies mentioned being non-binary and how they chose their name. I was curious so I asked more about it. They answered politely and kindly.

The first thing you should do when you find something stupid is try to get some perspective on it. Of course, I don't know your life. But that's my take on what to do when faced with things I think are stupid or that scare me or I don't understand.

I go out, ask questions, mingle with people who traffic in those circles. It's been a great benefit to me as not just a man, but as a person in general. We all have our journey's, though. So your path is probably fairly different.

 

[KotaKotsu]

Not trying to offend anyone but I see it as it being stupid. You are born a male then you is a male whether you cut your dick off or not.

Personally it's your body and you can do what you want to it. I won't support it but I also won't shame you about it either. Hell I'll probably ask a shit load of questions about it too.

The only thing that really bothers me when it comes to this topic is when someone has to point it out like "Yeah I'm genderfuild" or like when it just come out of nowhere when it wasn't even being talked about. At that point I think it's more of an attention thing.

But again I won't hate you for it but I won't support it either. Sorry again if I hurt anyone's feelings

I agree with Kingg for the most part. What you said seemed a bit out of line, albeit your opinion. I'm not trans or nothin' myself, but what you said was crude in a few aspects. Ain't saying you gotta change your opinion outright, but at the very least try to consider acceptance for those who have gender identity problems.

Seems to me though, that in a few regards, you seem to associate people's lifestyles with attention. But using that same logic, aren't we all seeking attention when we do anything besides breathing? Every action we take calls attention as a society. Whether we realize it or not in the moment, is entirely up to us though. But it feels like you were trying to come at Winter's/Everest's neck, in my opinion.

 

[AbatedBigfoot]

Yeah I figured I'd get some backlash for that. Could've worded it better. I wasn't going for their neck or even targeting them at all. I just find the topic dumb in general. And it's most likely because I'm too dumb to even understand it fully.

 

[TheAdept]

1: I wasn't thinking about that. I'm not that kinda guy.

2: They are fictional.

3: Threats through the computer are somewhat silly. We've got plenty of distance between. No use in threats from so far away. If we were like down the street, though I'd gladly oblige you in a fight or a boxing match. I'm always up for a scrap. A friendly one anyway. It's great for learning control, building cardio, timing, reflexes etc. Fighting in anger is different. Not something I encourage,

4: A better way to settle things through online would be like 1v1 in a video game or a virtual version of chess or some card game.

I'm late, but god damn this post reminds me of dbz and that I need to get back into a boxing gym sometime.