Well calling Lord Umber the mountain is a bit misleading... he is taller than the Greatjon but most Umbers are rather large, the only reason Smalljon Umber was called Smalljon was because he wasn't quite as tall as Greatjon, not because he is small.Akio said:
@WanderingJester This is the letter Barba sent to Tiber.
ANDRE IS THAT YOUAkio said:
Andre?SirDerpingtonIV said:
Hypnos said:
Numbers still stands. 4700 would not be able to win in an all out attack against 10000 men stationed outside of their walls, while another 10000 marched to take the other side of the fortress. The ratio would still be more than 2:1 against the Freys. I figured the 900 men of the vassals wouldn't make that much of difference. If I had 300 men along with 600 more and I see a force of 10000 against a force of 3800, I would pack up and go home, liege or no liege. That's a suicide attack unless I can kill their commander fast enough, which I don't think I can realistically do, especially if he's in the middle of that 10000 men.Archon said:
I'm of the same opinion as before about V-Steel. Sorry guys.Hypnos said:
I think the point is if Tiber's talking the Cayden in such a manner he'll probably have several times Cayden's forces surrounding them, like how there were tens of thousands of men at Casterly Rock when he received Roland. If a fight occurred, unless Cayden can kill Tiber within the first few seconds, even with the Lionsguard in the room, he would simply walk out while hundreds of men rush into it, all intend on killing Cayden.Akio said:
Or that lol.Leusis said:
She's got my vote.SirDerpingtonIV said:
Hypnos said:
BLACKSMITH ANDREAkio said:
Once again I hope he would not put himself in a situation like that where he would insult someone woth such overwhelming numbers surrounding him. He doesn't attack first ethier for the most partWanderingJester said:Numbers still stands. 4700 would not be able to win in an all out attack against 10000 men stationed outside of their walls, while another 10000 marched to take the other side of the fortress. The ratio would still be more than 2:1 against the Freys. I figured the 900 men of the vassals wouldn't make that much of difference. If I had 300 men along with 600 more and I see a force of 10000 against a force of 3800, I would pack up and go home, liege or no liege. That's a suicide attack unless I can kill their commander fast enough, which I don't think I can realistically do, especially if he's in the middle of that 10000 men.
Even if we go with upper limit of 6000 as you would still be outnumbered to the point where 3000 extra men would be stabby/slicey on the Freys especially when they come out of their walls. The losses would be much heavier on the Lannisters side to be sure, but they would still, lose without something major happening on the field, especially against the entrenched camps of the holding force.
I'm of the same opinion as before about V-Steel. Sorry guys.
I think the point is if Tiber's talking the Cayden in such a manner he'll probably have several times Cayden's forces surrounding them, like how there were tens of thousands of men at Casterly Rock when he received Roland. If a fight occurred, unless Cayden can kill Tiber within the first few seconds, even with the Lionsguard in the room, he would simply walk out while hundreds of men rush into it, all intend on killing Cayden.
Or that lol.
She's got my vote.
Hightower would need to be invited.WanderingJester said:
It would be implied that all the Reach Lords would receive the news even if they're not personally IC invited to Highgarden. Many of the lords would get a raven (off screen if you will), and ride to Highgarden (also off screen). Just wondering when the ceremony would start in terms of just IC stuff (unless it's just sort of time skipped over, which I don't think is going to since it's sort of an important event here).Lancelot said:
Are they characters or NPCs under him?Akio said:
Characters most likely, considering they probably wont be following him all the timeWanderingJester said:
Just try to remember that in the battle of the Trident that the loyalists completely expected to win when they only had 40,000 and the rebels had 35,000. Thats only a 13% size difference between the rebels and loyalists. If the Freys intended to attack a 10,000 man force with their full force they would be fighting a force 106% larger. Just remember the loyalists were sure they would win with just a 13% size advantage during the trident.WanderingJester said:
Hold up, how the hell did one of Cayden's subordinates just end up winning what is likely a more rare item than a valyrian steel weapon just by beating some random Khal in a bet?Akio said:
Right, there's a big difference between the Trident and this hypothetical really. One there's no Robert or Ned equivalent on the Frey's side, certainly not one that might be able to match the strength of Martyn and Roland in battle really. If anything the Lannisters would have the heroes on their side in regards to competent fighters. Second, the difference as you've pointed out percentage wise is much different. It's a 12.5-13% difference in force at the Trident (well within the acceptable range, especially with the fighter increase), than the scenario here, which is anywhere from 40-53% difference depending on whether you go with the 4700 or the 6000 figure (even if it happened at the moment IC the first would apply), much larger than that of the Trident. I'm just using the split force of 10000 as comparison here, not counting the total of 20000 that would besiege the Twins once fully surrounding it.Leusis said:
Dragonhorn bows are rare but Darthraki gave the greatest amount of them, if your looking at who has what percentage wise their is a higher percentage of Darthraki with the bows then any other faction on the planet and are considered the quality gift that a Khal may want for favor. They areant in wind spread use though and have similar properties to Goldenheart bows from the summer islesLeusis said:
Yup, so long as they don't pull a King Richard the Lionheart they should be devastating to the morale of the enemy. I don't think either's that reckless and I know Martyn's got the Lionguards with him, but you know crazier things have happened I suppose. Imagine just fighting an already outnumbered battle, you look ahead twenty feet and you just see one freaking guy cut his way through your unit like a knife through butter. It's like having two Goliaths on one side and no David in sight for the other xD .Leusis said:
