Nah it was always 5-10, but the image of the Hound just getting mad gains in the gym is fun, so we can go with that xD .Archon said:
Yup (y)Leusis said:
Fair enough, if Cayden somehow dodges a good number of Martyn's strikes in a fistfight, he might just get speared at the end. Hard to dodge something that large moving at you that quickly. Kind of why Brock Lesnar's that entertaining in the WWE I would imagine.Akio said:
Hmm... Cayden's fast, Cayden's agile, but I really don't see how he'd have the agility of Drogo. Being a mercenary in Essos is one thing, but it doesn't hone your agility in such a way. That's for people like Daario/Drogo whose lives evolved around constant single combat to the death. It would take a Drogo-level dodge to avoid a top tier at all, and agility and athleticism are different; Drogo was far more agile than Oberyn.Akio said:
Rory's a wild card in any fight with a very skilled fighter. He's probably a tiny bit stronger than Martyn, if they're not basically even. But he has the in-battle bloodlust Robert had, which is good and bad. Maybe he'll be so aggressive that he'll slice Cayden to pieces before he can make distance.Leusis said:
That is one problem when someones that big all he has to do is put his arms out and charge low and as far as a fight fight theres not much room to dodge and he could crush him grappling, a fist fight between him and Roland would be far more fair because their builds are not to differentWanderingJester said:Nah it was always 5-10, but the image of the Hound just getting mad gains in the gym is fun, so we can go with that xD .
Yup (y)
Fair enough, if Cayden somehow dodges a good number of Martyn's strikes in a fistfight, he might just get speared at the end. Hard to dodge something that large moving at you that quickly. Kind of why Brock Lesnar's that entertaining in the WWE I would imagine.
A lot of Caydens experience as far as dodging goes comes from two places, Braavos with the water dancers where he learned a big problem with his style so he needed to learn to dodge. Caydens then in his group was less of a commander and spent a lot of times warring all over Essos. He probably like Oberyn spent some time in the fighting pits of Marren to learn to test himself in single combatArchon said:
Without poison I'd probably put Cayden slightly lower then Rory partly because of his weapon choice, which will always be a problem but because of his pride he won't give it up. Hes good and fast as well as really precise but against a man in full plate its really hard to land a fatal wound so against someone equally skilled. Of course this is talking about on flat ground with no interference.Leusis said:
The only thing I might switch up from your list is probably bumping Cayden below that tier and tie him with Albert Lannister. I'll also replace Cayden's place with Trevir's brother (who might or might not exist at this point). Everything else I agree with though.Leusis said:
I just got an image in my head which is not so fun for House Lannister but fun for me and probably anyone else thinking about it: With all this talk about how certain people would match up, imagine Rory and Martyn going toe to toe with one another, then after like the third strike five Marcher Lords from the Stormland just spread out around Rory and stab Martyn to death while he's going one on one with Rory. Yeah, combat's unpredictable like that lol.Archon said:
Yup, pretty much what I'm saying. Roland would probably have better technical skills to stand a better/even chance on the ground, but it would be hard if Martyn lands a blow while they are striking at one another. It's almost like someone hitting you with a metal blunt sword using both hands to swing it at that point.Akio said:
Dolar? :3Leusis said:
That made me laugh a little more than it should have, since I pictured Rory just stopping and planting his sword in the ground as the Marcher Lords close in like the Nazgul do with Frodo.WanderingJester said:
Training in Braavs and the Fighting Pits for a few years still doesn't really match doing it all your life. At all, actually.Akio said:
Eh debatable, if he was as skilled with the long sword he wouldn't have so much of a problem against plate armor which most of our higher tier characters use. I still kind of want to make a Valyrian steel blade spear head with viserys silverware, if he had it plate would no longer be a huge problem for him and it would be interesting to see where he would reach but then against thats true for anyone with those kind of weaponsArchon said:Training in Braavs and the Fighting Pits for a few years still doesn't really match doing it all your life. At all, actually.
And if Cayden uses poison, he still likely dies. You can't say the weapon is a problem either, that is HIS weapon. It's not like he'd rank higher with a longsword.
depends how long he can last after, there are poisons that act really fast but if its a last ditch effort hit all he would do is kill his killer i agree that farArchon said:Training in Braavs and the Fighting Pits for a few years still doesn't really match doing it all your life. At all, actually.
And if Cayden uses poison, he still likely dies. You can't say the weapon is a problem either, that is HIS weapon. It's not like he'd rank higher with a longsword.
Tbh I thought more about what happened to Asher/Rodrik (depending on who you choose to live) in Telltale's Game of Thrones. I wouldn't think Martyn's as helpless as a single hobbit even as he fights to the death against a few Marcher Lords xD . Glad you enjoyed the image as much as I did though lol.Archon said:
Ah, but you see, you discounted one factor in that estimation: Lannister Gold. I wouldn't put it past Tiber to hire some random Dornishman who specialized in poison to give Martyn the antidote after the fight, unless Cayden uses something like what Oberyn used for Gregor. Like Archon said though, either way I don't see Cayden walking out of that fight alive *shrug*Akio said:
Depends on the poison, some of the poisons are not known to have much of a cure like manticore venom where even maesters were baffled about how to cure it. Considering where he was most of his poisons are from Essos and maybe some from Yi Ti. He wouldn't hesitate to use his strongest stuff on someone like the lannister golden boys of warfare. What he might use though is a quicker but less lethal poison like a hallucinogen to make them lose their edge in battleWanderingJester said:
But Cayden isn't that skilled with a longsword. So he can't rank higher. It's also not the spears fault either, since his entire style revolves around a spear. You get an OP valyrian spear?Akio said:
Yeah but, Rory's sword and all the Marcher Lord's swords would set on fire. Martyn would just be petrified by our new Azor Ahai.WanderingJester said:
I said i wish, their is a chance for him to make one but the mental and physical rp geneastics make my brain hurt and thats if a lot of things line upArchon said:
It'd also be totally unfair, since it'd essentially be a spear which could cut - not pierce - armor like butter.Akio said:
Eh, we'll have to see. If Cayden's standing and fighting Martyn it would probably mean that the advantage is vastly favoring one side on the battlefield, so all these talks could be irrelevant at this point. My bias belief is that Martyn can probably kill Cayden before even the quickest poison can really affect him, so the best Cayden can hope for is to bring the Mountain Lion down with him, but you know, obviously you would disagree with that so *shrug*Akio said:
Ah, you see, but the flaming sword would do one of two things in that situation, if not both: Melt through the ice of the frozen Narrow Sea that they're fighting on, and/or attract a Kraken from beneath the depths to interfere and nom nom everyone with grabby tentacles. So I guess the real winner are the japanese anime artists for depicting that scene in manga.Archon said:
Nagito has a katanna that makes plate into so much paper weights xD Granted hes the only one thus far. Besides the chances of me getting everything i need to give dorne a real legendary weapon is hard and probably involves convincing Viserys to give up his silverware somehow or getting another Valyrian steel weapon and melt it down, then getting dragon bone, then finding a smith to work the metal. Not easy and not quick, if i did make it, it would probably be sometime in the futureArchon said:
I'm not sure, depends on the poison really. The strangler killed stannis Maester is a matter of seconds but its unlikely it works the same way slather over a spear so we'll seeWanderingJester said:Eh, we'll have to see. If Cayden's standing and fighting Martyn it would probably mean that the advantage is vastly favoring one side on the battlefield, so all these talks could be irrelevant at this point. My bias belief is that Martyn can probably kill Cayden before even the quickest poison can really affect him, so the best Cayden can hope for is to bring the Mountain Lion down with him, but you know, obviously you would disagree with that so *shrug*
Ah, you see, but the flaming sword would do one of two things in that situation, if not both: Melt through the ice of the frozen Narrow Sea that they're fighting on, and/or attract a Kraken from beneath the depths to interfere and nom nom everyone with grabby tentacles. So I guess the real winner are the japanese anime artists for depicting that scene in manga.
Hah, the Lord of Light has contingency plans for such things! Whilst the grabby-grabby oversized squid is busy trying to nom nom nom everyone, the white walkers will fire the Giant-Harpoon-Nuke from atop the wall to riddle the octopus with stabby-stabby oversized harpoons!WanderingJester said:Eh, we'll have to see. If Cayden's standing and fighting Martyn it would probably mean that the advantage is vastly favoring one side on the battlefield, so all these talks could be irrelevant at this point. My bias belief is that Martyn can probably kill Cayden before even the quickest poison can really affect him, so the best Cayden can hope for is to bring the Mountain Lion down with him, but you know, obviously you would disagree with that so *shrug*
Ah, you see, but the flaming sword would do one of two things in that situation, if not both: Melt through the ice of the frozen Narrow Sea that they're fighting on, and/or attract a Kraken from beneath the depths to interfere and nom nom everyone with grabby tentacles. So I guess the real winner are the japanese anime artists for depicting that scene in manga.
Nagito is a temporary character. He's basically an extra life for Daenna. Cayden's a main character, it'd be unfair. Future or not.Akio said:
If he steals a weapon it wont matter, Tywin did the same thing and I know Tiber is looking for one ((though god knows if he'll ever get it)) as for the silverware our Admins, mainly centurion will decide when if ever he wants to hand it out, if he doesnt things get hard and in order to ever make one it would involve killing and luckArchon said:Hah, the Lord of Light has contingency plans for such things! Whilst the grabby-grabby oversized squid is busy trying to nom nom nom everyone, the white walkers will fire the Giant-Harpoon-Nuke from atop the wall to riddle the octopus with stabby-stabby oversized harpoons!
Nagito is a temporary character. He's basically an extra life for Daenna. Cayden's a main character, it'd be unfair. Future or not.
Nobody else has V-steel unless it's canon to the character.
Yeah, not a PC though. We agreed nobody was allowed V-Steel aaaages ago.Akio said:
We agreed no more custom V-Steel weapons at creation, unless im wrong and there is no more V-Steel allowed in general even if made from a weapon already in the rp? @TheAncientCenturion @Hypnos @WanderingJesterArchon said:
