Precisely why I said faster and more skilled. Dealing with speed is difficult, dealing with speed combined with flawless technique is something Cayden hasn't ever faced before. If he had, he'd be dead.Akio said:
Eh he's almost died a dew times. After all he spent time in Braavos which meant he met water dancers which was not fun on more then one occasion. He has some ideas however, mainly because not all of them were trying to kill him.Archon said:
The thing is, you could probably survive a few hits off an average or novice water dancer. If a very fast and very skilled Arakh user/longsword user got in Cayden's reach that's all it would take. Water Dancer's operate on cuts, and weak points. A skilled one would just hit an artery, and Cayden may have had training to avoid it - but it's different in practice - and more importantly, Water Dacing isn't dueling with a longsword or arakh.Akio said:
We'll really have to see, talking about all this stuff is useless till actual battle lolArchon said:
I like to be as realistic as possible, I 99% of the time wont say im fast enough or strong enough to do something but explain how i did it so i make logical senseArchon said:
lol talk about seeing the cup as half empty, maybe he would have been fast enough to dodge.Archon said:
Not if the guy he was fighting was faster, and more skilled...Akio said:
Caydens probably as fast as Rolands, Caydens weaknesses in combat is not his speed or skill but his choice of weapons and his staminaArchon said:
Roland's probably slower than Cayden. But Roland's moving forward, Cayden's moving backwards (to dodge), not to mention Cayden doesn't have the benefit of prediction when Roland is literally the one of the most skilled swordsmen in Westeros.Akio said:
If he caught a foot away he probably would drop his spear, he wouldn't try to use it its pointless and would indeed get him killedArchon said:Roland's probably slower than Cayden. But Roland's moving forward, Cayden's moving backwards (to dodge), not to mention Cayden doesn't have the benefit of prediction when Roland is literally the one of the most skilled swordsmen in Westeros.
Do you think Oberyn could dodge 2-handed Jaime Lannister if Jaime was no more than a foot away? Do tou think Oberyn could use the shaft of his spear, or block before Jaime's used his quicker weapon with more skill to finish the fight?
I'm just saying if we put Roland and Cayden in the most realistic position possible for two fictional characters, the fight would end there. In the RP, obviously Cayden will survive that situation a few times and in the roleplay it will still be fair and realistic.
But "as realistic as possible" no spearman, regardless of personal agility, speed, and skill will survive that situation against Jaime/Roland/Barristan/Arthur etc...
That's about the distance Roland would be IF he got "inside" Cayden's reach. That was my point, I don't know how dropping the spear would work, 50/50 that Cayden get's skewered/wacked immediately, or leaps fast enough to go fisticuffs.Akio said:
We debated that one actually, it ended with Cayden kicking him in the balls. And im not sure about fisticuffs, more likely to use one of his knives more likely.Archon said:
Knife or no knife, this is what would happen to Cayden if he gets into a fistfight with Martyn.Archon said:
lol you reversed what i said, pull the knife while getting into the longswords range and kick him in the balls during the fist fightArchon said:
RIP Sad thing Martyns a lot stronger then him so in a normal fist fight that might happen because Caydens not so fast he can out move Martyn even if hes faster and if it comes to a grapple he would just loseWanderingJester said:Knife or no knife, this is what would happen to Cayden if he gets into a fistfight with Martyn.
A good test to see if anyone can move faster and with more precision than Martyn: If your character can outstep and outmove Jaime Lannister, then he'll be faster than Martyn. They have the same speed, agility and precision as one another.Akio said:
I approve!WanderingJester said:Knife or no knife, this is what would happen to Cayden if he gets into a fistfight with Martyn.
... Throwing the spear and pulling the knife would take even longer than just trying to bash with the spear. Cayden gets skewered. A kick to the nuts can't be parried, and has more range; provided the hastily thrown spear offers enough pause, Cayden could land the kick due to unpredictability. If he pulls a knife and tries rushing Roland he'll just get gutted. xDAkio said:
A single punch off any of those characters would knock Cayden out cold. If it came to grappling, they'd ragdoll him around like a feather haha.Akio said:
Wah? Martyn has the speed and footwork of Jaime and the strength of Sandor?WanderingJester said:
Yes, that's probably why he's such a good fighter at a relatively really young age and can hang with some of the best. Fun fact though: he's actually slightly stronger than Sandor. I used this example to illustrate how much: if he and the Hound both went into a modern gym and worked out together, Martyn would curl/bench/lift/squat around 5-10 lbs heavier than Sandor.Archon said:
Wasn't it 10-15lbs?WanderingJester said:
he wouldn't really throw it, i think hes just drop it and kick it into his leg while trying to pull a Drogo level dodge to get close and see what happens, he can't win a fist fist fight if it came to that so he would need to get a knife past him if he got that close, a punch would do nothing to an armored guy not a kick to the balls, or at least not as muchArchon said:
Hmm hard to say, hes spent his time all his time basically on speed to make up his lack of stamina to end a fight as possible. He combined Dornes lightly armored style, with water dancer foot work and precision, and Khal Drogo speed. He might very well be faster because unlike Martyn most of his training were speed and precision considering he had to train with a spear to get past full plate to so as far as precision there are not many who are equal (Roland is likely one in at least precision due to his skill) Only problem is after keeping up this speed to long he'll start slowing down though its not to fast as far as teh declineWanderingJester said:
