Fandom A Song of Ice and Fire RP (Game of Thrones)

[Hypnos]

Doesn't change her father sold her xD jeez I'm just saying the lack of family affection is real. (Says when he still has to consider how to replace Elia as leader of Dorbe

Her father was in King's Landing waiting for Kuvira to possibly damn the sons of his oldest friend to death, he had a lot on his plate and he agreed with her father that they needed allies and she needed to get married, he was under the impression that they weren't going to just get married right away and carry her off when they only knew each other for a single day, he thought they would be given time, hell, he doesn't know they're even married yet since he's been at Storm's End for so long. You can blame Benjicot and @National for rushing the whole affair, he never should have agreed to do it on the first day.

 

[Akio]

You know that situation reminds me of a Targayen king who betrothed his 4 children to four major houses and every single one of them married someone else. He was exasperated but cool with it in the end @WanderingJester @Hypnos

 

[Akio]

Hey, I ain't Helyon Tarly. I just made him xD . Also, I don't blame Walder one bit. He did the same thing as Hoster with Agnes where Hoster married off Catelyn to Ned, so that was a legit move on his part @Akio
Not that I'll expect a Dornishman to know what two out of "Family, Duty, Honor" means.

Well you see we act by Dornish Honor and like to consider our woman as more then a part of some political game when we can. We do our duty and love our families enough we don't usually ship them off and try to give them more rights then the bedroom and kitchens. So ehh fuck you Tully xD

 

[WanderingJester]

Well you see we act by Dornish Honor and like to consider our woman as more then a part of some political game when we can. We do our duty and love our families enough we don't usually ship them off and try to give them more rights then the bedroom and kitchens. So ehh fuck you Tully xD

@Hypnos Hey you remember that invasion plan you had of Dorne? The whole sacking of cities so badly that the kingdom never recovers due to their inability to produce food or have multiple water sources? You still got that tucked away somewhere? Because I think between the knights and ships of the Riverlands and House Velaryon it's very plausible to execute.

 

[Hypnos]

Well you see we act by Dornish Honor and like to consider our woman as more then a part of some political game when we can. We do our duty and love our families enough we don't usually ship them off and try to give them more rights then the bedroom and kitchens. So ehh fuck you Tully xD

Family, Duty, Honour. The Tullys care for their family, Walder's in this whole mess because of Osmund Baratheon who he viewed as a brother to him, but certain political decisions have to be made, especially in war and the Tarlys are a strong ally to have, besides Riverlander woman are different to Dornish women in the fact that they're not all whores so... In short fuck the Dornish.


Also saying you work by Dornish honour is like me saying I work by serial killer honour, I may murder them brutally but at least I don't rape their corpses.

 

[Akio]

@Hypnos Hey you remember that invasion plan you had of Dorne? The whole sacking of cities so badly that the kingdom never recovers due to their inability to produce food or have multiple water sources? You still got that tucked away somewhere? Because I think between the knights and ships of the Riverlands and House Velaryon it's very plausible to execute.

Don't think that's possible unless you know you manage to destroy and poison entire aquifers that usually eventually clear themselves and salt hundreds of miles of land xD


lol I'm talking about right to inherit and right to chose their own path. Howany girls like Ayra think rage against their destiny to be some house wife? Very few of those who do can actually escape it. Dorne gives woman a choice in a way few manage to emulate (Mormount is the forefront there

 

[Akio]

As for Dornish Honor, a dornish pride in their home and their peoples is honor. Independence abd choice is their honor. Just don't expect them to keep the same honor and the rest of you. They have their own pride

 

[WanderingJester]

Don't think that's possible unless you know you manage to destroy and poison entire aquifers that usually eventually clear themselves and salt hundreds of miles of land xD
lol I'm talking about right to inherit and right to chose their own path. Howany girls like Ayra think rage against their destiny to be some house wife? Very few of those who do can actually escape it. Dorne gives woman a choice in a way few manage to emulate (Mormount is the forefront there

Hundreds of miles of land? You must be confusing Dorne with some other kingdom. I doubt all together the kingdom have more than fifty acres of arable land. Also, I won't doubt that aquifers will clear themselves eventually, just that by then, Dorne would be more or less abandoned because everyone would've died of thirst or moved away.

 

[Hypnos]

Don't think that's possible unless you know you manage to destroy and poison entire aquifers that usually eventually clear themselves and salt hundreds of miles of land xD
lol I'm talking about right to inherit and right to chose their own path. Howany girls like Ayra think rage against their destiny to be some house wife? Very few of those who do can actually escape it. Dorne gives woman a choice in a way few manage to emulate (Mormount is the forefront there

And you think I don't intend to do just that, I can make mass portions of Dorne unlivable for hundreds of years, I'd also dam up those pesky rivers, Dorne would never recover.


I think the fact that Agnes is in the direct line of succession to Riverrun shows that we don't lock our woman away and suppress them, if Agnes had said no to the match then she could have walked away, a marriage by sword point isn't considered legitimate so no one could force her to do anything, really all this proves is the devotion towards her family, and how far she is willing to go for them.

 

[Akio]

Hundreds of miles of land? You must be confusing Dorne with some other kingdom. I doubt all together the kingdom have more than fifty acres of arable land. Also, I won't doubt that aquifers will clear themselves eventually, just that by then, Dorne would be more or less abandoned because everyone would've died of thirst or moved away.

You also would have a lot of trouble poisoning a river. Also how you plan to go inland if we poison the wells ahead of you? Want to die in their deserts like many others

 

[Akio]

And you think I don't intend to do just that, I can make mass portions of Dorne unlivable for hundreds of years, I'd also dam up those pesky rivers, Dorne would never recover.
I think the fact that Agnes is in the direct line of succession to Riverrun shows that we don't lock our woman away and suppress them, if Agnes had said no to the match then she could have walked away, a marriage by sword point isn't considered legitimate so no one could force her to do anything, really all this proves is the devotion towards her family, and how far she is willing to go for them.

Is she? That's a change from the books.

 

[Hypnos]

You also would have a lot of trouble poisoning a river. Also how you plan to go inland if we poison the wells ahead of you? Want to die in their deserts like many others

We wouldn't need to go inland, you poisoned the wells yourself...

Is she? That's a change from the books.

Agnes Tully is the oldest child of Benjicot Tully, Ben has no sons and three daughters, she's therefore his heir.

 

[Akio]

We wouldn't need to go inland, you poisoned the wells yourself...
Agnes Tully is the oldest child of Benjicot Tully, Ben has no sons and three daughters, she's therefore his heir.

Hmm curious, yet isn't she supposed to spend the rest of her life is Hornhill? (That makes sense though, woman can only inherit if their are no sons usually)


Also we would only poison the wells that are public knowledge. Dorne has plenty of hidden ones

 

[WanderingJester]

You also would have a lot of trouble poisoning a river. Also how you plan to go inland if we poison the wells ahead of you? Want to die in their deserts like many others

Follow the river then either dam it up and redirect it away from Dornish cities and/or poison the source itself. The invaders would have stocked up enough drinkable water to get back to the coastline and sail away on their fleet. There aren't that many rivers in Dorne and they're not the size of the Trident or the Mander. Also what Hypnos said.

 

[Hypnos]

Hmm curious, yet isn't she supposed to spend the rest of her life is Hornhill? (That makes sense though, woman can only inherit if their are no sons usually)
Also we would only poison the wells that are public knowledge. Dorne has plenty of hidden ones

That will come up when the time comes, she'll probably govern apart from her husband when her father dies because at that point it would be assumed that they would already have a few children and would have fulfilled their duties and all that jazz.

 

[WanderingJester]

Hmm curious, yet isn't she supposed to spend the rest of her life is Hornhill? (That makes sense though, woman can only inherit if their are no sons usually)
Also we would only poison the wells that are public knowledge. Dorne has plenty of hidden ones

Not enough to sustain a city or even a large settlement in all likelihood. Unless 90% of them are extremely well hidden, I'm guessing 40-50% would be found and destroyed by the invaders, which would screw Dorne just as much as if they didn't exist at all.

 

[Akio]

Follow the river then either dam it up and redirect it away from Dornish cities and/or poison the source itself. The invaders would have stocked up enough drinkable water to get back to the coastline and sail away on their fleet. There aren't that many rivers in Dorne and they're not the size of the Trident or the Mander. Also what Hypnos said.

A dam would be gone the second you left while the Dornish people harassed you all day long themselves. Hope you like drums and warhorns playing 24/7, hope your soldiers sleep well win random people hiding in the sands and taking potshots at any workers. Hope you like walking in Dornish villages to slaughter then to find the entire village up in arms with support from Dornish forces to help then go to the mountains while their in danger. The smallfoke themselves will be fighting you

That will come up when the time comes, she'll probably govern apart from her husband when her father dies because at that point it would be assumed that they would already have a few children and would have fulfilled their duties and all that jazz.

Not at this rate they won't, their relationship is bloody awkward. Though I wonder if poor rowan can even perform

Not enough to sustain a city or even a large settlement in all likelihood. Unless 90% of them are extremely well hidden, I'm guessing 40-50% would be found and destroyed by the invaders, which would screw Dorne just as much as if they didn't exist at all.

A vast majority are hidden. Its been stated several times Dorne jealously guards their secret wells. There was more then enough for the entire Dornish army and all the nobles and servants to hide in the deserts during Aegons invasion

 

[Hypnos]

A dam would be gone the second you left while the Dornish people harassed you all day long themselves. Hope you like drums and warhorns playing 24/7, hope your soldiers sleep well win random people hiding in the sands and taking potshots at any workers. Hope you like walking in Dornish villages to slaughter then to find the entire village up in arms with support from Dornish forces to help then go to the mountains while their in danger. The smallfoke themselves will be fighting you
Not at this rate they won't, their relationship is bloody awkward. Though I wonder if poor rowan can even perform


A vast majority are hidden. Its been stated several times Dorne jealously guards their secret wells. There was more then enough for the entire Dornish army and all the nobles and servants to hide in the deserts during Aegons invasion

You'll find Dornish pride to last about as long as it takes Lord Velaryon to open up his wallet and ask where the hidden wells are.


I resent your statement that Agnes and Rowan are anything but a very loving happy couple.


Also @Archon @JustWhipIt I'm going to wait for either Breaden or Rory to show up until I reply again, I feel like we should keep this meeting consice so it doesn't go on forever.

 

[WanderingJester]

A dam would be gone the second you left while the Dornish people harassed you all day long themselves. Hope you like drums and warhorns playing 24/7, hope your soldiers sleep well win random people hiding in the sands and taking potshots at any workers. Hope you like walking in Dornish villages to slaughter then to find the entire village up in arms with support from Dornish forces to help then go to the mountains while their in danger. The smallfoke themselves will be fighting you
Not at this rate they won't, their relationship is bloody awkward. Though I wonder if poor rowan can even perform


A vast majority are hidden. Its been stated several times Dorne jealously guards their secret wells. There was more then enough for the entire Dornish army and all the nobles and servants to hide in the deserts during Aegons invasion

Not if every Dornishmen is killed by the invaders. This is a sacking, not a conquest. If I recall correctly this might be compared to what Valyria did to Old Ghis (minus dragons). Drums and warhorms give away positions for soldiers to hunt down and execute anyone they missed the first time, as does potshots. The Dornish would starve and thirst in the mountains while Reach will no doubt hunt them from behind. It doesn't matter if the smallfolk will be fighting, with an invasion force equipped and blooded they would die 15:1 easy.


Just because Rowan have the decency to not have sex with a girl without her consent doesn't mean he's impotent. That's like saying Cayden's OD'd on Viagra because he objectifies woman using them for sex as a "playboy." aka pedo rapist.


I'm calling BS. Unless the Dornish have the Japanese discipline of creating entire underground military bases (in WWII mind you) which to not only guard their water source and house their military, I highly dispute that the Dornish are as prepared as you make them out to be.

 

[Akio]

Not if every Dornishmen is killed by the invaders. This is a sacking, not a conquest. If I recall correctly this might be compared to what Valyria did to Old Ghis. Drums and warhorms give away positions for soldiers to hunt down and execute anyone they missed the first time, as does potshots. The Dornish would starve and thirst in the mountains while Reach will no doubt hunt them from behind. It doesn't matter if the smallfolk will be fighting, with an invasion force equipped and blooded they would die 15:1 easy.
Just because Rowan have the decency to not have sex with a girl without her consent doesn't mean he's impotent. That's like saying Cayden's OD'd on Viagra because he objectifies woman using them for sex as a "playboy." aka pedo rapist.


I'm calling BS. Unless the Dornish have the Japanese discipline of creating entire underground military bases (in WWII mind you) which to not only guard their water source and house their military, I highly dispute that the Dornish are as prepared as you make them out to be.

Because an entire army would be able to catch Dornish men in Dorne when they would slip into the sand or get on their prepared sand steeds and leave? And that's why I said with support of the Dornish army, you will be about 60000 troops in an enemy territory. How is this that much better then Cayden in Pentos?


Cayden has never raped anyone, why would he? Also why do you say he objectifies woman because he's a ployboy, sex is just a part of the relationship not the end. He still keeps in contact with many he's slept with


Then where they hell did their entire army, lords, and servants go during Aegons war and the young dragons invasion? They disappeared twice and Aegon and all his dragons could not find them. They burned their castles dozens of times but burning empty castles didnt do much

 

[WanderingJester]

Because an entire army would be able to catch Dornish men in Dorne when they would slip into the sand or get on their prepared sand steeds and leave? And that's why I said with support of the Dornish army, you will be about 60000 troops in an enemy territory. How is this that much better then Cayden in Pentos?
Cayden has never raped anyone, why would he? Also why do you say he objectifies woman because he's a ployboy, sex is just a part of the relationship not the end. He still keeps in contact with many he's slept with


Then where they hell did their entire army, lords, and servants go during Aegons war and the young dragons invasion? They disappeared twice and Aegon and all his dragons could not find them. They burned their castles dozens of times but burning empty castles didnt do much

That's one example, another would be what Hypnos' said (and I'll be the first to admit much more cost efficient than my "kill everyone" path). Once the money starts changing hands, a good number of the hidden locations will start revealing themselves, and I trust between Walder's experience and Baelor's cunning that they would be able to find a good percentage of any hidden reserves in Dorne.


Because leaving a single mother with a bastard to fend for themselves in the world is okay and very respectful to them, since he keeps in touch with everyone? Maybe that would fly with a Dornish woman, but any woman I know would be pissed if I slept with them, knocked them up, then call occasionally to say "hi, how are things? Btw I'm sleeping with other people, knocking them up and things are great over here."


The War of Conquest was also across all of Westeros, which meant that Aegon probably had more pressing matter to mind than a bunch of cravens running for the sand dunes. I'll admit I'm no expert on that time period, but if I burned a bunch of cities and found no resistance from its people in a war like that, I'll probably think "oh good, one kingdom down. Several more to go."

 

[Hypnos]

Then where they hell did their entire army, lords, and servants go during Aegons war and the young dragons invasion?

Home, they went home, whay you fail to remember when you mention the "failed" conquests of Dorne is that neither of them actually failed, I mean they both succesfully took Dorne for all intensive purposes, Aegon took Dorne, put his people in charge and left, the Dornish rebelled and whilst Aegon could have stopped them he didn't due to the fact that there was so little to gain and the loss of his wife meaning he never wanted to see a Dornishman again. The young Dragons invasion was also successful and he won with relative ease and Sunspear surrendered, the Dornish then rebelled and the yong dragon met with them under a banner of peace, the Dornish betrayed him and killed him and his men (Something unexpected as that is literally the worst thing someone could do, kill another under a peace banner) the next Targaryen was Baelor a religious nut who undid all of his brothers work, you've also not adressed the fact that they could just pay a Dornishman to give them the locations of the wells.

 

[Akio]

That's one example, another would be what Hypnos' said (and I'll be the first to admit much more cost efficient than my "kill everyone" path). Once the money starts changing hands, a good number of the hidden locations will start revealing themselves, and I trust between Walder's experience and Baelor's cunning that they would be able to find a good percentage of any hidden reserves in Dorne.
Because leaving a single mother with a bastard to fend for themselves in the world is okay and very respectful to them, since he keeps in touch with everyone? Maybe that would fly with a Dornish woman, but any woman I know would be pissed if I slept with them, knocked them up, then call occasionally to say "hi, how are things? Btw I'm sleeping with other people, knocking them up and things are great over here."


The War of Conquest was also across all of Westeros, which meant that Aegon probably had more pressing matter to mind than a bunch of cravens running for the sand dunes. I'll admit I'm no expert on that time period, but if I burned a bunch of cities and found no resistance from its people in a war like that, I'll probably think "oh good, one kingdom down. Several more to go."

Can't say some wells won't be reveled, some are known to only certain families but your right some would be reveled.


Actually he pays for a lot of what they do, makes sure they love well. There's only one time he leaves a woman completely other then money. When they try to hold him down, he hates the idea of marriage, honestly kind of scares him so it would take quite some woman to keep him down to one


Actually when Aegon went to Dorne he had already conquered 6 kingdoms. The entire power of Westeros was against Dorne but Aegon never fought one battle against the Dornish at first. Actually the only person he killed in Dorne I think was a mad fool who dressed as a knight and challenged him to single combat. He put me in charge then left. His regent woke up about a couple months later on a bed of scorpians and garrisons came back torturing knights he left in charge, making it a game who could last the longest after slaughtering Garrisons. The person in charge of sunspear was actually thrown out a 5 th story floor by the aged yellow toad of Dorne who was approaching 70. Then Aegon came back with his armies. One tyrell army disappeared into the sands never to be seen again and Osmund Bartheon got captured with his army by the Wyl and was returned missing a hand. After that Aegin brought back his dragons burning forts and by luck at hellholt one brought down one of the 3 dragons killing his sister. Every castle in dorne was burned a sacked a dozen times. They hired assassins to kill each other and nobles died on both side and many smallfoke died in constant battle. But there was no surrender till Maria died and her son sent a letter to Aegon with his daughter and a dragon skull. Aegon read the letter then sued for peace.

 

[Hypnos]

Actually he pays for a lot of what they do, makes sure they love well. There's only one time he leaves a woman completely other then money. When they try to hold him down, he hates the idea of marriage, honestly kind of scares him so it would take quite some woman to keep him down to one

Didn't you say Cayden doesn't use whores? I would consider them sleeping with him and getting money very similar to what whores do.

 

[WanderingJester]

Can't say some wells won't be reveled, some are known to only certain families but your right some would be reveled.
Actually he pays for a lot of what they do, makes sure they love well. There's only one time he leaves a woman completely other then money. When they try to hold him down, he hates the idea of marriage, honestly kind of scares him so it would take quite some woman to keep him down to one


Actually when Aegon went to Dorne he had already conquered 6 kingdoms. The entire power of Westeros was against Dorne but Aegon never fought one battle against the Dornish at first. Actually the only person he killed in Dorne I think was a mad fool who dressed as a knight and challenged him to single combat. He put me in charge then left. His regent woke up about a couple months later on a bed of scorpians and garrisons came back torturing knights he left in charge, making it a game who could last the longest after slaughtering Garrisons. The person in charge of sunspear was actually thrown out a 5 th story floor by the aged yellow toad of Dorne who was approaching 70. Then Aegon came back with his armies. One tyrell army disappeared into the sands never to be seen again and Osmund Bartheon got captured with his army by the Wyl and was returned missing a hand. After that Aegin brought back his dragons burning forts and by luck at hellholt one brought down one of the 3 dragons killing his sister. Every castle in dorne was burned a sacked a dozen times. They hired assassins to kill each other and nobles died on both side and many smallfoke died in constant battle. But there was no surrender till Maria died and her son sent a letter to Aegon with his daughter and a dragon skull. Aegon read the letter then sued for peace.

I'm saying enough will be revealed to screw Dorne as a kingdom whole, even if only certain families know about some (always one in the family who likes money a little too much).


Oh, so that's okay now since he's essentially paying for child support? I'm sure the girls don't hate him for essentially abandoning them with the excuse "don't worry I'll send you money so you can feed our kids even though I'm busy doing other women and away from you." Doesn't really negate what I've said before. Also, this:

Didn't you say Cayden doesn't use whores? I would consider them sleeping with him and getting money very similar to what whores do.

Given what I've read about Aegon and Dorne between your account and Hypnos' I'm more inclined to believe my fellow GM because I still feel that Dorne's capabilities are being exaggerated. *shrug*