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[Karcen]

In my view it's kind of weird to venerate a Saint when instead you could just go to the Big G and ask. But I was raised in a religion that doesn't venerate saints so I may be looking at it from a certain (possibly prejudiced) perspective. But from my understanding, even if they aren't the ones to grant wishes themselves, they are supposed to intercede on your behalf. Also BRB Dinner.

Shrug good enough

 

[QuirkyAngel]

true glad Azani doesn't cause that much issue even if i put her in the same category because of her negative nature.

Seems to me he's trying to change though^^

Not too different from Yato who wants to become a great god of fortune.

Maybe though the context i think would matter as the saints aren't the ones granting boons but asking on your behalf to god for the boon. though writing that out now i can totally see how in noragami logic they would gain a lesser or regalia like status which could go full deity.

Gods can serve other gods and normal people can be deified.

As the queen of the heavens, many gods follow under Ameterasu. Saints/minor gods can grant wishes. A saint, deified for her loving nature could bless a marriage if people believe it.

I think you do like is he a Saint which relgion is he from ?

Whatever religion Azani is. Made up

Western views are generally monotheistic, but that doesn't necessarily apply everywhere.

 

[Karcen]

Seems to me he's trying to change though^^

Not too different from Yato who wants to become a great god of fortune.



Gods can serve other gods and normal people can be deified.

As the queen of the heavens, many gods follow under Ameterasu. Saints/minor gods can grant wishes. A saint, deified for her loving nature could bless a marriage if people believe it.



Whatever religion Azani is. Made up

Western views are generally monotheistic, but that doesn't necessarily apply everywhere.

by that i meant which demonation would he come from as that might still inform some of his views not if he is a real saint or not that doesn't matter, like was he in this universe a well known venrated saint or was he a small local saint coudl do a lot.

 

[MrThe]

by that I meant which denomination would he come from as that might still inform some of his views not if he is a real saint or not that doesn't matter, like was he in this universe a well known venerated saint or was he a small local saint could do a lot.

Except it's weird because the way his backstory was phrased Shorn and Camulous are part of a pantheon. Is he part of a Pagan Religion? I didn't think that any survived by the time the European Wars of Religion began.

 

[MrThe]

I dunno, it's just that the description is very vague, his relationships go unexplained and the circumstances around his rebirth are strange and not how Gods are reborn in Noragami. Like, it doesn't take Centuries for a God to be reborn, it happens pretty fast. Being dead for a hundred years or more would kill a god, his worshippers would vanish.

 

[The Secret Archives]

Hmm, I'll just have to go back to the drawing board tomorrow and see if I can figure out what to do in order to fix it up. If I tried to do it now, I'd certainly miss a good number of things I'm sure.

 

[Karcen]

i mean it is a neat idea regardless

 

[Karcen]

Except it's weird because the way his backstory was phrased Shorn and Camulous are part of a pantheon. Is he part of a Pagan Religion? I didn't think that any survived by the time the European Wars of Religion began.

that would be a neat idea a tiny pagan religion wiped out by the tide of monotheistic faith

 

[The Secret Archives]

Even so, I'm sure if I look at it a lot deeper I'll be able to mend up some of the issues. Truthfully, there were some concepts I'd say I originally overlooked, and looking back on it, I can see how it becomes confusing.

 

[MrThe]

Even so, I'm sure if I look at it a lot deeper I'll be able to mend up some of the issues. Truthfully, there were some concepts I'd say I originally overlooked, and looking back on it, I can see how it becomes confusing.

It's good! It's a decent start and not a bad idea. It's just that Gods usually change slowly over time and if they are reborn it's pretty fast so they don't become forgotten while they are gone. One thing I would certainly recommend you do is explain his flight to the east and how he got to Japan.

 

[QuirkyAngel]

by that i meant which demonation would he come from as that might still inform some of his views not if he is a real saint or not that doesn't matter, like was he in this universe a well known venrated saint or was he a small local saint coudl do a lot.

Haha, no idea. I don't even know if he's Christian or how western culture of gods would do things.

I dunno, it's just that the description is very vague, his relationships go unexplained and the circumstances around his rebirth are strange and not how Gods are reborn in Noragami. Like, it doesn't take Centuries for a God to be reborn, it happens pretty fast. Being dead for a hundred years or more would kill a god, his worshippers would vanish.

The only loophole I really see is a shrine would be needed for gods to be reincarnated, but I think Shorn became an entirely different god born of people's perceptions of the original god of Loyalty. Deserters would make that wish i guess...since loyalty to war sucks.

 

[The Secret Archives]

One thing I would certainly recommend you do is explain his flight to the east and how he got to Japan.

That's certainly something I can do. I have a few ideas for it already. It's also pretty nice to get some ideas bounced around too. Especially since it's easy to overlook things when tired. It'll give me a fair bit to look into tomorrow.

 

[MrThe]

Haha, no idea. I don't even know if he's Christian or how western culture of gods would do things.



The only loophole I really see is a shrine would be needed for gods to be reincarnated, but I think Shorn became an entirely different god born of people's perceptions of the original god of Loyalty. Deserters would make that wish i guess...since loyalty to war sucks.

But that's not a god of Loyalty or a god of Despair, it's a god of Betrayal.

 

[MrThe]

Although that could be pretty sweet, a God doing something that ends up changing the personality and appearance of the God. It kind of reminds me a lot of Malacath vs Trinimac in the Elder Scrolls. That'd be super cool.

 

[Karcen]

Haha, no idea. I don't even know if he's Christian or how western culture of gods would do things.



The only loophole I really see is a shrine would be needed for gods to be reincarnated, but I think Shorn became an entirely different god born of people's perceptions of the original god of Loyalty. Deserters would make that wish i guess...since loyalty to war sucks.

I meant more the relgious veiws of the people

 

[QuirkyAngel]

But that's not a god of Loyalty or a god of Despair, it's a god of Betrayal.

Yeah, but titles are just titles. Kofuku Ebisu's real name is Bimbogami She goes with a trade name for business's sake.

He probably went around causing lots of despair. Or humans made that stuff up about him because it sounded cool~

 

[QuirkyAngel]

I meant more the relgious veiws of the people

People believe him to be the god of loyalty who betrayed his ideals and turned to despair.

 

[QuirkyAngel]

Thus he came to existence. The humans wanted someone to blame~

 

[QuirkyAngel]

So they secretly wished it

 

[Karcen]

People believe him to be the god of loyalty who betrayed his ideals and turned to despair.

would humans even know that

also i meant more like the religious beliefs of that specific sect religious doctrine can change heavily from sect to sect just look at those few we have today for proof of that

given he was a saint that would likely have a whole process as saints would likely need a living person to be the focus to create the fake deity version of them and betrayers don't get cannonized

unless he is again a pagan deity

 

[The Secret Archives]

The way I interpreted it when creating the idea was that Camulous, the God of Conquest tainted and destroyed Shorn's reputation as a God of Loyalty. Twisting the views of those who worshipped him into believing that he led people astray, instead of helping by any means. (By doing this, he brought the misfortune upon them as a kind of manipulative tactic to turn those who worshipped Shorn against him.)

These people turned against Shorn in his absence, and without anyone to atone for what occured, it led to him no longer being viewed as the God of Loyalty. Instead, a new God was born in his place as The God of Loyalty. Then the people who were harmed sought to wish for Shorn to fall into despair just as the people he 'misguided' did as a form of ill will towards Shorn himself.

 

[QuirkyAngel]

would humans even know that

also i meant more like the religious beliefs of that specific sect religious doctrine can change heavily from sect to sect just look at those few we have today for proof of that

*shrug* Gods are born of wishes and bad gods are born of bad wishes with a touch of creativity. I'm sure no one wants poverty. However, they all know it exists, so they venerated her. In a way, to make up a story is a form of wishing...I think. They wish for someone to blame the badness on=P

 

[Karcen]

The way I interpreted it when creating the idea was that Camulous, the God of Conquest tainted and destroyed Shorn's reputation as a God of Loyalty. Twisting the views of those who worshipped him into believing that he led people astray, instead of helping by any means. (By doing this, he brought the misfortune upon them as a kind of manipulative tactic to turn those who worshipped Shorn against him.)

These people turned against Shorn in his absence, and without anyone to atone for what occured, it led to him no longer being viewed as the God of Loyalty. Instead, a new God was born in his place as The God of Loyalty. Then the people who were harmed sought to wish for Shorn to fall into despair just as the people he 'misguided' did as a form of I'll-will towards Shorn himself.

main question is he the left over from a pagan religion or a saint of a monotheistic sect

 

[The Secret Archives]

That's one of the things I'm going to look into more tomorrow. Make sure that I backtrack, and fix up a few things. As of right now, just doing some minor search on my phone, he could be a left over from pagan Religion, or he could have been a folk Saint.

 

[Karcen]

That's one of the things I'm going to look into more tomorrow. Make sure that I backtrack, and fix up a few things. As of right now, just doing some minor search on my phone, he could be a left over from pagan Religion, or he could have been a folk Saint.

ah pagan okay that negates all my questions and concerns