Fantasy Mess Hall (OOC)

[WayfaringWaaksian]

Kylesar1

Actually nvm, Vlad doesn't need to give her an explanation, he'll just tell her to fuck off. What I have in mind works better if he doesn't explain it anyway. Sorry if you were already working on an answer ;-;

 

[Kylesar1]

I'll send Nellie off in the next post. But a question so I can end the scene. So what Mariana did, granting Favor without them consenting, is fully allowed in Law then? They basically had no say in it, it just happened.

In the case of bestowing Divine Favor, it's not exactly an explicit ask as much as it's a situation or mental state where it's highly likely that they'd accept. Given that both Nancy and Nellie were in those situations and accepted the Favor, that's not really the issue. Favor is just the mark of being favored by the God that then allows one to connect to their God.

The issue isn't consent because the twins did accept it, plus they call out to the Goddess when in distress. The issue is MERIT. Nellie has no business receiving Divine Favor given that she was estranged from the Goddess. This means that Nellie had no business receiving the Daedric Empowerment either which is the issue that caused all of this. Nellie received both Divine Favor and Daedric Empowerment at the same time, which should only happen in high scale emergency circumstances. Killing the Crown? Not an emergency

That means that the Goddess will be answering to the Counsel for this, but as long as Nellie is under Daedric Empowerment, she needs to fulfill the role lest she get punished regardless of the illegitimacy of it. Afterwards, she can either renounce or gambit her Divine Favor (or just keep it) without becoming a Null. Then again, there is no way Nellie knows any of this in the IC, and there is only one person that understands Divinity Law to that degree that is also willing to give her that information

 

[WayfaringWaaksian]

Kylesar1

Thanks for the clarification. I took consent to be spoken and explicit, but what you said makes more sense anyway. Now I can be even meaner to the twins.

 

[WayfaringWaaksian]

I feel so bad for Mariah, she literally didn't deserve any of this. Sorry about the Dumbass Twins, hope she can have something good to cling to soon

 

[WayfaringWaaksian]

Kylesar1
Three loose ends I wanted to tie up before the Kraiven arc draws to a close.

• The twins discuss whether to do the gambit or not, which segways into them confronting their respective issues.
• Vlad confesses what made him lose his Favor
• Nancy has a heart-to-heart with Vespera before she leaves with the Basenjis.

That's all I can think of for now. Fergie and Bogrum have resolved everything that needs to be in this arc, but I'll still play things out with them.

 

[Kylesar1]

I feel so bad for Mariah, she literally didn't deserve any of this. Sorry about the Dumbass Twins, hope she can have something good to cling to soon

I'm not sure at all what I'm gonna do with Mariah since I don't know how Toron is going to be affected. Lesbian nuns aren't anything new, but then again Mariah isn't a nun anymore. I knew from the moment I introduced Mariah that I was going to make her attracted from Elaina, that from the fact that Mariah found thrill in breaking the rules after 200 years with a woman from a bunch of pirates who had no care for them in the first place

Elaina is the exact opposite of what Mariah knows and needs (A God fearing Angel vs a God-defying witch), and Mariah kind of loves it despite knowing how harsh Divinity Law is

But there's also Steven who has that same level of dominance in an entirely different way while being on the exact same path that Mariah has been on. It's basically a tossup between a forbidden love in true freedom with the risk of a fall, and Steven who is trying his damndest to keep Mariah on the path. Hmmmmmmm. I'll stick a pin in it for now

I don't think really any [of my] named character wants to stay in Toron. Arnold doesn't want to stay due to the King but will for the Stoneroses. Mariah doesn't want to stay but will per Mariana (unless She chooses to destroy the city). Ves will literally kill herself if she stays.

Kylesar1
Three loose ends I wanted to tie up before the Kraiven arc draws to a close.

• The twins discuss whether to do the gambit or not, which segways into them confronting their respective issues.
• Vlad confesses what made him lose his Favor
• Nancy has a heart-to-heart with Vespera before she leaves with the Basenjis.

That's all I can think of for now. Fergie and Bogrum have resolved everything that needs to be in this arc, but I'll still play things out with them.

Yeah there's still a bit more to do. The gambit resolved, the execution, and the Goddess determining the fate of the city, so it's not gonna be just left out of nowhere

In the meantime, there is the confrontation of Demi towards Adonis

 

[WayfaringWaaksian]

Kylesar1

Mariah should choose both. Polycule where everyone gets what they want.
Joking aside, I really vibe with Steven. I know he hasn't had a lot of screen time so far, but I dunno. I like how he's no-nonsense and like "tough shit, you did this to yourself", without being condescending and while having a strong sense of comradery. The fact that he wanted to talk to Jack about everything to get a different perspective, despite the fact Nancy expressly fucked up, speaks to me I guess. And he sticks up for the kids. I like the continued theme of the pirate characters being subversive to the stereotype in their own way.

Also, the yell of "YES!" I had to suppress when Laylah/Mariana showed up with a cured Lostro (it was 2 in the morning when I read it, didn't want to wake people up). A year-long arc finally gets its deserved resolution.

 

[Kylesar1]

Of course, he knew already. Sensing Her presence on Earth soothed him while he reflected overnight, even if the sense only went one way.

Nancy is afflicted with Nullification. He doesn't sense ANYTHING if it's magic-related. He solely relies on his natural Locathah senses. Nullification is a condition that goes both ways. It's why Mariana told Nellie to alert Nancy. Nullification severs the connection to Gods, and to those with Divine Favor, it strips them of it for as long as they're afflicted with it (they get it back when the condition passes).

Luckily, just cutting this out should resolve it

 

[WayfaringWaaksian]

My bad, I'll cut that out. On that note though, should Nancy be able to use his crystal at all?

 

[Kylesar1]

My bad, I'll cut that out. On that note though, should Nancy be able to use his crystal at all?

That was the big contention point I was thinking about, because I do want him to communicate normally. Nullification specifies no magic propensity though, so until a workaround is found, I'll say no. I think I do have one in mind

You can write it off as it petering off as he tries to use it. It should only last for a post or two, and Kraiven Sign works for a few

 

[WayfaringWaaksian]

Sure, sure! Though I also wonder if him being forced into being nonverbal again might be more fitting for the theme of this setup, playing further into his isolation. Most people wouldn't know how to read modern sign language, let alone an ancient one.
But I'm curious about the workaround. Dunno, we can discuss it.

Or I could edit all his dialogue post-nullification. Since everyone there but Steven knows Kraiven Sign, it wouldn't be the worst hassle, especially since he didn't do much talking in general. But if you deem it not worth the hassle, I'm fine with what you've proposed.

 

[Kylesar1]

Sure, sure! Though I also wonder if him being forced into being nonverbal again might be more fitting for the theme of this setup, playing further into his isolation. Most people wouldn't know how to read modern sign language, let alone an ancient one.
But I'm curious about the workaround. Dunno, we can discuss it.

Or I could edit all his dialogue post-nullification. Since everyone there but Steven knows Kraiven Sign, it wouldn't be the worst hassle, especially since he didn't do much talking in general. But if you deem it not worth the hassle, I'm fine with what you've proposed.

I think forcing him to rely on Kraiven Sign full time is suicide. I want to at least give the poor boy a chance at living somewhat a normal life. The workaround is giving them actual vocal cords. As the last 2 Lung-borne, Mariana could absolutely be as experimental as she wants with them. The Holy Counsel doesn't care since they're the last 2. In their eyes, the Locathah are a discontinued product. Harsh and "dehumanizing" but fitting

Forcing Steven into not knowing what Nancy is saying is fun as well.

 

[WayfaringWaaksian]

Ooh, I like that idea a lot actually.

LOL, is that a sarcastic fun or genuine fun?

 

[Kylesar1]

Ooh, I like that idea a lot actually.

LOL, is that a sarcastic fun or genuine fun?

Genuine. Steven actually has quips and humor, though I can't guarantee you that Steven is gonna forego sarcasm

 

[WayfaringWaaksian]

Ah ok. So is that an ok for me to edit those posts, or should I hold off?

 

[Kylesar1]

Ah ok. So is that an ok for me to edit those posts, or should I hold off?

Go ahead and just hit me back when you're done, so I can edit mine as needed

 

[WayfaringWaaksian]

Sure. I'm gonna head to bed now (I'm in EST) but I'll start working on it at some point after work.

 

[WayfaringWaaksian]

Kylesar1

Edits taken care of. Some dialogue change in places

 

[WayfaringWaaksian]

Btw, don't take my constant ribbing of Nancy/Nellie to be genuine. I love these funny fictional fish and I want them to be happy, but they gotta work for it. Playing out characters going through tragedy and hardship but bouncing back stronger for it is my favorite thing. That why 99% of my characters are fucked up in some fashion, lmao

 

[WayfaringWaaksian]

Damn, that's RAW. This makes me feel a lot, especially seeing even Elaina so upset. The curse of being the All-Seeing Witch

 

[Kylesar1]

I was going to continue it, but instead I'll make it affect her in the aftermath a bit further in the future. Like, Elaina is about to be TORTURED with the horrors of Kraiven.
Elaina is the only one with an actual bird's-eye view of what happened, so I might play some of it out with flashbacks of both Kraiven and then some origin story flashbacks

 

[Kylesar1]

The match between Fergie and Ashlynn will happen in the transition. It'll be a transition, so I was also planning on Bogrum vs Avery or Sebas

Gonna warn ya that while the result isn't really important per se, a victory will do WONDERS for Fergie's rep.............and that Ash will NOT be easy to beat. I will be exploiting every single little thing in what you post for Ash to win. Like, it'll be the first major exploiting of weaknesses that may be done

The victor is NOT set in stone.
WayfaringWaaksian

 

[WayfaringWaaksian]

The match between Fergie and Ashlynn will happen in the transition. It'll be a transition, so I was also planning on Bogrum vs Avery or Sebas

Gonna warn ya that while the result isn't really important per se, a victory will do WONDERS for Fergie's rep.............and that Ash will NOT be easy to beat. I will be exploiting every single little thing in what you post for Ash to win. Like, it'll be the first major exploiting of weaknesses that may be done

The victor is NOT set in stone.
WayfaringWaaksian

Hells yeah, push her to her limit. All this time spent wrangling the crew during missions (and her own issues) has made her a bit sloppy, so she needs those fighting muscles stretched out.

As for who Bogrum should fight... hmm. Dunno, I like both options. We'll see how things play out.

 

[Kylesar1]

There is a part of Sebas who wants to go mano e mano with Bogrum. As for Fergie, well.................Ash ain't fuckin around

tbh Bogrum has a better chance of winning than Fergie, BUT.......... if you got a plan, I will absolutely accommodate it and if you got a winning plan, I won't dispute it
WayfaringWaaksian

 

[Kylesar1]

Avery is.......if Bogrum can manage to keep it close, he can win but Avery is CRAZY if he is left unattended. Avery IS the victor if he is left to his own devices