Fantasy Mess Hall (OOC)

[WayfaringWaaksian]

PSS, if Fergie is going to trash talk to Ash, don't insult Mama Bear. Saying she'll win in a fight against them together? Great. Insulting MB as an animal? Immediate dislike, as MB is to Ash as Quincy is to Demi. I DO exploit what you type (like if you make a typo in dialog, it'll reflect in the response). I think I've done this before but............geez, it's been a LONG while since this RP has started. Doesn't even feel like it

Anyways, Ash is more attune to Fergie as more brash, assertive no nonsense types likely to tell off even the divine, and Demi is more attune to Bogrum as more cautious voice of reason types. Quincy and MB are foils to THEIR respective masters so Quincy is more attune to Fergie and Ash as someone willing to kill at any type of disrespect, and MB is more attune to Bogrum and Demi as someone wanting to play the long con to assure success while mitigating risk. That makes Nellie more attune to Fergie, Ash and Quincy and Nancy more attune to Bogrum, Demi, and MB

PSSS, since the fight is wrapping up very soon, what are you going to do with Nancy/Nellie? The options are pretty much move with the Basenjis or move with the Empire (aka Goddess Mariana since it's HER city now). Either they get dropped off at Andouphe or they go with the Capital City
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Oh don't worry about that, that was just a silly little OOC aside. Ferg would never diss MB like that IC, she has a lot of respect for animal life, sapient or not. Not to say she wouldn't say something that might go too far, but she'll correct herself fast if it's not taken to well.
But yes, noted. I do like that you remember a lot of the little things, and make sure the characters don't forget it either, lol.

I love that you're noticing the parallels. Nancy/Nellie and Fergie/Bogrum are parallels by design, though it goes in all four ways. Nancy is like Bogrum, and Nellie is like Fergie, on a surface level especially. On a deeper level, Nancy has a lot of similarities to Fergie, and Bogrum to Nellie, especially regarding to traumas and aspirations (ie, Bogrum and Nellie steadily falling apart in the midst of tragedy, while Nancy and Fergie can emotionally disengage enough in the moment). Though the nuance of that will be shown in time.

As for the twins, my original thought is that they would stay with Toron in reforming it, and I still feel this way. Though I've entertained the idea of them tagging along for a new adventure, I think it's best to let them do their thing here and focus on development in Guild for now. I want to continue my focus on Fergie/Bogrum in Pirate.
Not to say that I wouldn't want to give them a cameo appearance or a small involvement with later plots, if it worked out that way, but I'm fine with this being the last we see of them in this RP. Considering what you said about Adonis throwing Kraiven away when he's done, I'm more expecting the latter anyway, but I'm ready to be flexible.

Spoiler: Another thought

That being said, on the topic, what are your thoughts on a potential sequel to this RP after it's completed? Like, a far future kind of deal, where years have passed and the girls (Ora and Lostro) are grown up, and we get to see what's come of Toron as a city of Mariana's? I know it's a bit early to be thinking about this. This RP feels like it's sort of in a midway point, with the Mozza battle being a big climax building up to another plot. But I do think a lot about what's happened so far, and a lot of it feels it'll have long lasting consequences (Kraiven obviously, Megalo from the first mission, whatever Adonis's big plans are). I'm also just really attached to the characters and lore, and I often fantasize about what if's and what could come of events, how it effects them way later. That sort of stuff.
If you're interested in that sort of thing anyway, and assuming we'll still have the steam for RPing that we do now. I just thought I'd put it on the table.

 

[Kylesar1]

That being said, on the topic, what are your thoughts on a potential sequel to this RP after it's completed? Like, a far future kind of deal, where years have passed and the girls (Ora and Lostro) are grown up, and we get to see what's come of Toron as a city of Mariana's? I know it's a bit early to be thinking about this. This RP feels like it's sort of in a midway point, with the Mozza battle being a big climax building up to another plot. But I do think a lot about what's happened so far, and a lot of it feels it'll have long lasting consequences (Kraiven obviously, Megalo from the first mission, whatever Adonis's big plans are). I'm also just really attached to the characters and lore, and I often fantasize about what if's and what could come of events, how it effects them way later. That sort of stuff.
If you're interested in that sort of thing anyway, and assuming we'll still have the steam for RPing that we do now. I just thought I'd put it on the table.

I'm definitely down for it, especially considering that the fate of Kraiven, saved, is to be determined. It'll also give me leeway to SPLIT and focus on characters that I haven't gotten the opportunity to expand on. I sort of have the endpoint visualized for Pirates, but it's FAR in the future as the main RP. This and Guild are the only RPs I have going, so it's not like I'm stretched thin. Splitting allows me to divide things like lore, character, and potentially even expand slightly into other genres.

Ora and Lostro will be definite foils, with Lostro leaning to the aggressive (Fergie, Ash, Quincy, Nellie) and Ora leaning towards the saving (Nancy, Bogrum, Demi, MB). I would say the Angels, but Evangeline doesn't fucks with Lostro

Kraiven is going to have a DRASTIC change between past (Guild), present (Pirates), and future since it's so bad right now. I was thinking of a changed dynamic between Guild and Pirate in the form of short-form interactions that pop up occasionally. Initially it would've been just dialog and world-building between Demi and Ves as Demi takes the vampire home, and then the contrast in life of Ves from Kraiven and her home in the form of letter from one girl to the other. For the city itself, it would be between Mariah the Watcher, Arnold, Nancy and Nellie (and maybe Vlad) as they seek to uncover the secrets of Kraiven for either what led it to being so bad, or how it moved on from such corruption

 

[WayfaringWaaksian]

I'd definitely be interested in having brief intermissions/short-form bits that check up on Kraiven. There being more mystery to uncover about Kraiven intrigues me, and there's a lot I want to explore with Nancy/Nellie's Pirate developments. A lot of it is more immediate anyway. For example, Nellie might not be okay now, but Nancy will not be okay AT ALL after this is all said and done. He's just seen horrors beyond what Nellie in all her years of battle has seen, on top of very old wounds being reopened after experiencing what Ves went through during limbo. I just really love exploring post-traumatic themes, and I spend more time than I ought to planning things out.

Part of why I mentioned Lostro and Ora specifically. I'm very curious about how their respective experiences effect them in childhood, and the type of people they'll become in adulthood as a result. With a mix of good influences and bad (it is a pirate ship, after all) for them to interact with, it could go so many ways, and I'm interested in seeing where you take this.

 

[Kylesar1]

Working on Guild. Just had to get out that post for Pirates as the one that ends the fight

 

[WayfaringWaaksian]

I feel like I rushed my last post, so you'll see a few edits.

 

[WayfaringWaaksian]

It was more than a few edits, lol. Sorry, I got excited when I initially posted, didn't let myself ruminate long enough.

 

[Kylesar1]

Do you have in mind which god Vlad serves? I was gonna put him under Obris (God of Virtue), the same god that Steven serves, but he's your character not mine so I wanted to ask first

It's not important in the context of the story, but for the God Pantheons LORE page, I need to list him under one and it's the difference between simply listing his name under Obris alongside Steven, or creating lore on an entirely new God

If you have only a vague idea, you can just say God of [insert concept] and I can take it from there to create a new god
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[WayfaringWaaksian]

It was kept intentionally vague because I hadn't decided yet, so Obris is totally fine. Though I'm not sure if he should have been recruited by Obris himself or one of his delegates. Obris himself doing so would imply Vlad has struggled with being virtuous more than most, which could work. Actually now that I typed it out, I kinda like that idea. But I guess it would depend on how bad the thing that caused Vlad to lose his Favor is, which will be revealed very soon.

Kylesar1

 

[Kylesar1]

It was kept intentionally vague because I hadn't decided yet, so Obris is totally fine. Though I'm not sure if he should have been recruited by Obris himself or one of his delegates. Obris himself doing so would imply Vlad has struggled with being virtuous more than most, which could work. Actually now that I typed it out, I kinda like that idea. But I guess it would depend on how bad the thing that caused Vlad to lose his Favor is, which will be revealed very soon.

I'll give it more time to cook then. It definitely doesn't have to be right now and it doesn't have to be Obris

 

[WayfaringWaaksian]

Kylesar1

Could I get some clarification on what exactly Nancy's Favor pertains? I reread all of his adjacent posts, and I'm still a little uncertain of the exacts. Is the Coin the source of the power he has, or more of a trinket that represents his standing? Did praying with it at the altar "consume" it, or would it still be activated if he died?

 

[Kylesar1]

Kylesar1

Could I get some clarification on what exactly Nancy's Favor pertains? I reread all of his adjacent posts, and I'm still a little uncertain of the exacts. Is the Coin the source of the power he has, or more of a trinket that represents his standing? Did praying with it at the altar "consume" it, or would it still be activated if he died?

No problem

Nancy's favor is that of healing, defense, purification, and exorcism. The Coin is basically a second life for him. It'll only be consumed if he WOULD die, and it itself is an immensely holy relic. While he CAN smite the undead, the focus is on preserving (Nancy isn't versed on the arts of combating the undead afterall). Only if he dies (or the Goddess takes it) will it be consumed. In a way, the Coin is a manifestation of his Favor, and should be flashed as any kind of proof of Favor. In other words, it exists until he dies and it's consumed if he dies in order to grant him a second life

For Nellie, the focus is pure offense and ending life. There is no room for saving lives or healing. It's just straight up ending life and the going about that in the most efficient way as quickly as possible. So what's happening with Nellie is that she is doing the opposite of the purpose of why she was granted the OP power. Elaina is about to point that out as a jab against the Goddess, so don't edit it (assuming you didn't intend it). It's kind of why this entire line of action concerning Nellie is even happening. She could just make it rain to a strong degree and use it to put out the fires, but the lesson NOT getting through to her is actually a good path to pursue

Together, they even each other out. Since they draw from the same source, Nellie can go into a Church for example, but it also serves as a checks and balances. Like Sebas will be able to manage the girls, Nancy and Nellie will be able to put into check the power of the other. Nancy is benevolence of the Holy God and Nellie is malevolence of a Daedric Lord

 

[WayfaringWaaksian]

Kylesar1
Thanks, that clears stuff up for me. Totally cool with this path btw, I like where this is going. Just wanted to make sure I had the right idea of Nancy's powers before I proceed.

 

[WayfaringWaaksian]

Kylesar1
RIP me, having to format that long-ass bit with color coding AND font change.
And apparently me forgetting that Fergie CAN'T SPEAK BEAR. Damn, I need to stop writing posts in the morning, my brain doesn't function right

Anyways, the third part will be the conclusion of this scene.

 

[WayfaringWaaksian]

Kylesar1
Was that post too much? Lmk if that deviated from your plans too much.

 

[Kylesar1]

WayfaringWaaksian
Nope. It was well-written actually and I've already been working on a response around it

 

[WayfaringWaaksian]

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Nope. It was well-written actually and I've already been working on a response around it

Ok, thanks Just checking

 

[WayfaringWaaksian]

Kylesar1
Dude, I fucking cried, lmao. Nancy just took the biggest shaft the universe has in its arsenal, this is literally the worst thing that could happen to him. It's really good, though. This might alter my future plans with the twins (in a good way), but I'll have to see how the rest of this arc finishes up before knowing for sure.

 

[Kylesar1]

Kylesar1
Dude, I fucking cried, lmao. Nancy just took the biggest shaft the universe has in its arsenal, this is literally the worst thing that could happen to him. It's really good, though. This might alter my future plans with the twins (in a good way), but I'll have to see how the rest of this arc finishes up before knowing for sure.

Yeah, this is HEAVY. The grief and hopelessness really shone through for Nancy. I wasn't expecting any of this to happen. It just kind of made it there

I was going to tie this back in to the fate of Kraiven (remember when the Goddess asked Nancy whether she should raise or sink the city) and I can still do that while making sense with the lore. However, given how Nancy seems to be right now, it'll be more of pendulum swing than a reversal. It'll be a disservice to just reverse things fully

 

[WayfaringWaaksian]

Yeah, this is HEAVY. The grief and hopelessness really shone through for Nancy. I wasn't expecting any of this to happen. It just kind of made it there

I was going to tie this back in to the fate of Kraiven (remember when the Goddess asked Nancy whether she should raise or sink the city) and I can still do that while making sense with the lore. However, given how Nancy seems to be right now, it'll be more of pendulum swing than a reversal. It'll be a disservice to just reverse things fully

That's RP! Plot points have a way of forming themselves.

When you say pendulum vs reversal, what exactly do you mean? Referring to the city sinking or rising, or Nellie and Nancy's state rn?

 

[Kylesar1]

When you say pendulum vs reversal, what exactly do you mean? Referring to the city sinking or rising, or Nellie and Nancy's state rn?

A reversal in this case is just a bailout. Nancy gets his connection back and everything has a silver lining amidst the destruction of the empire

"Let it be known that this is the EXACT SITUATION where, if I were acting like a witch, I would make you choose between the Goddess and your brother."

"This is the only way you'll have both, so you can work with me or Nancy dies here."

A pendulum swing is more of a transfer of consequences, not an elimination of them

 

[WayfaringWaaksian]

Kylesar1

I see, so you're suggesting a scenario where Nancy's connection could be restored, at the expense of Nellie's? Her having to end up choosing one or the other in the end anyway?

 

[Kylesar1]

Kylesar1

I see, so you're suggesting a scenario where Nancy's connection could be restored, at the expense of Nellie's? Her having to end up choosing one or the other in the end anyway?

Ding ding ding. Then again, the connection of the twins is yours to manage. I didn't think Nancy would be that deep with the Goddess after 200 years as compared to with Nellie (if that's a thing). Like, I knew it would be a thing. Just not this much of a thing.

Regardless, I'll spoiler it now since I mentioned it. It's about to pop up. The Goddess can't have both, and the decision of who has Divine Favor is the determinant of who will run the city. It will affect the story later on for sure. I just don't know who/when it will affect the story

Ocean Trench or Daedric Abyss? The Goddess simply cannot have both, unless you can explain it away from a lore perspective

 

[WayfaringWaaksian]

Kylesar1

Makes sense. Nancy was a very new character when the Kraiven plot began (literally his first post ever was in this rp before Guild). So the fact that he was so close to the Goddess was a development sort of midway, which reflects in the writing. Though it also wasn't imperative to show exactly what that connection meant to him until it was threatened. Hooray for surprises!

This will end up being... difficult to decide. I already had a plot line/resolution planned for Nancy's unfortunate case, where he finds a way to make peace with it and even find a silver lining within being Null. Without spoiling detail in case I go with it, basically Nancy has to leave Kraiven on a personal pilgrimage to find new purpose, akin to Vespera. It would make him a recurring character who could show up in a later arc.

Alternatively, Nellie giving up ultimate power in order to resolve what she had a part in, reversing their roles as the gifted and the everyman, is also very compelling. Choosing to walk in her brother's shoes to spare him from one of the worst griefs he could go through.

Ah, both are so good! I cant exactly choose both, aside from perhaps picking elements of the alternative and incorporating them in small ways. Whatever happens, someone is struggling though. Nellie has the coping skills to deal with divine separation, as she had estranged herself from Mariana long ago. Nancy has the coping skills of being looked over and unremarkable, having lived under the shadow of his accomplished sister. Flip the roles, and someone won't know what to do with themselves. They'd have to relearn a new way of life, perhaps with the guidance of the other.

 

[Kylesar1]

I'll let you conclude the scene at the Church, but Nellie should probably go destroy the castle, or she'll be punished. This all goes into the general theme of Divinity being a thing that shouldn't be trifled with. Extremely powerful, but very very strict and only marginally caring about the circumstances.

I'll also skip my portion of the pirates. I'm debating on doing a time skip to the morning, as Nellie needs to destroy the castle overnight and Avery will conduct the operation overnight, but they won't interact. Once it goes into morning, we'll truck it along
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[WayfaringWaaksian]

I'll let you conclude the scene at the Church, but Nellie should probably go destroy the castle, or she'll be punished. This all goes into the general theme of Divinity being a thing that shouldn't be trifled with. Extremely powerful, but very very strict and only marginally caring about the circumstances.

I'll also skip my portion of the pirates. I'm debating on doing a time skip to the morning, as Nellie needs to destroy the castle overnight and Avery will conduct the operation overnight, but they won't interact. Once it goes into morning, we'll truck it along
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I'll send Nellie off in the next post. But a question so I can end the scene. So what Mariana did, granting Favor without them consenting, is fully allowed in Law then? They basically had no say in it, it just happened.

I ask because it will be another thing Nellie asks, and I'll have Vlad explain it to trim down the back and forth