Fandom Fate/Bad Joke OOC

[The One Eyed Bandit]

The one thing I've noticed is that the items in the Master's market seems quite expensive for Bandit to expect any players to buy.

Gotta KILL.

AREN'T past wars to draw from anyways.

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[Xel]

Gotta KILL.

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[QuirkyAngel]

I mean, I probably misread it since I took it as him just operating on general grail war knowledge that all servants have and any specific memories were from when he was actually alive. I didn't take it as him being present in past wars and remembering them, which is why I never said anything.

It's also not something I'd kick up much a fuss about anyways since it's largely irrelevant. Like, there are no past wars to pull from. So if I tried to say Saber remembered a past war it'd be 100% fictional bullshit I made up on the spot with no real depth or meaning. Nothing would change regardless of whether I say she remembers or doesn't, whether she even was in a past war or not. All we know from the opening post is this war is set after the Fuyuki wars, for all we know this could be the sixth war in which case the odds of being summoned in a past war are extremely low even if we discard canon servants since that's a maximum of 35 unique servants being summoned prior to this war. With how many possible servants there are the odds of being summoned are extremely low. So ultimately it ends up being easier to just act as if nothing's changed and Saber has no memories because she's never been in a war prior to this one anyways.

I think my only real mention of it was something along the lines of previous summoners usually being from the church. Also I'd made comparisons between Eli and "past summoners" to highlight how much he sucks. Ah, and he may have mentioned how all his scripts were destroyed in his last war...and how he's determined to succeed this time around...Ok, so not just once =P

Saber can be who she is. I have no complaints.

 

[Xel]

I think my only real mention of it was something along the lines of previous summoners usually being from the church. Also I'd made comparisons between Eli and "past summoners" to highlight how much he sucks. Ah, and he may have mentioned how all his scripts were destroyed in his last war...and how he's determined to succeed this time around...Ok, so not just once =P

Saber can be who she is. I have no complaints.

Just to point out that these 'scripts', if they're anything meaningful as a servant, wouldn't be destroyed. They'd be resummoned right along with him. Only way for them to be lost is if they're non-servant related stuff that he used. Like when Saber had that motorcycle in F/Z, since that wasn't anything tied to her it could be permanently destroyed. But anything tied to a servant is summoned fresh and new right along with the servant.

 

[QuirkyAngel]

Just to point out that these 'scripts', if they're anything meaningful as a servant, wouldn't be destroyed. They'd be resummoned right along with him. Only way for them to be lost is if they're non-servant related stuff that he used. Like when Saber had that motorcycle in F/Z, since that wasn't anything tied to her it could be permanently destroyed. But anything tied to a servant is summoned fresh and new right along with the servant.

They aren't. They are a means to an end. He makes more just by writing gibberish.

 

[Xel]

They aren't. They are a means to an end. He makes more just by writing gibberish.

Pfft. Using real modern stuff to make things. Scrub.

 

[QuirkyAngel]

Pfft. Using real modern stuff to make things. Scrub.

Staff --> Pen

His pen is his staff. He generates paper (or writes on random things to give them 'blessings')

 

[Xel]

Staff --> Pen

His pen is his staff. He generates paper (or writes on random things to give them 'blessings')

I see. Then that's fine then.

 

[QuirkyAngel]

Once Saber gets her answer I fear all hell will break lose given how bloody Bandit seems...

 

[Xel]

Once Saber gets her answer I fear all hell will break lose given how bloody Bandit seems...

Like I said to Bandit, Saber is the way she is because I knew this wouldn't be a proper war. As long as this is a proper war Saber is MASSIVELY gimped and can never fight at full power. The moment that restriction is lifted, she can go full bore.

 

[QuirkyAngel]

Like I said to Bandit, Saber is the way she is because I knew this wouldn't be a proper war. As long as this is a proper war Saber is MASSIVELY gimped and can never fight at full power. The moment that restriction is lifted, she can go full bore.

Can Jun really support that?

 

[Xel]

Can Jun really support that?

At maximum output? No. He'd need a command seal for that. But no servant fights at their maximum the entire time.

 

[QuirkyAngel]

At maximum output? No. He'd need a command seal for that. But no servant fights at their maximum the entire time.

Trying to logic this, so the command seal can provide the mana for Saber to go all out in place of Jun?

 

[Xel]

Trying to logic this, so the command seal can provide the mana for Saber to go all out in place of Jun?

Command Seals are simply immense sources of mana. Think of them like a capsule containing mana. You can use them to achieve numerous effects. You can boost your servant beyond their normal limits, you can use it as fuel for their NP, you can use to teleport them to you. But at the core of it a command seal is just a fuckton of mana for you to apply as you see fit. You see this in F/Z when Kirei uses them to augment himself, or in Apocrypha when Sisigou uses one to buff Mordred's NP.

 

[QuirkyAngel]

Command Seals are simply immense sources of mana. Think of them like a capsule containing mana. You can use them to achieve numerous effects. You can boost your servant beyond their normal limits, you can use it as fuel for their NP, you can use to teleport them to you. But at the core of it a command seal is just a fuckton of mana for you to apply as you see fit. You see this in F/Z when Kirei uses them to augment himself, or in Apocrypha when Sisigou uses one to buff Mordred's NP.

lol, this actually helps Caster quite a bit.

 

[Xel]

lol, this actually helps Caster quite a bit.

That, coupled with the fact that if you use up all 3 seals your contract is broken and your servant no longer pulls mana from you, are the two big reasons people try to avoid using their seals as much as possible. You only REALLY get two uses of them, so you better make them count.

 

[QuirkyAngel]

That, coupled with the fact that if you use up all 3 seals your contract is broken and your servant no longer pulls mana from you, are the two big reasons people try to avoid using their seals as much as possible. You only REALLY get two uses of them, so you better make them count.

Caster only has one wish.

Though it's really up to Eli how they are used....and he doesn't even know how to use them yet

 

[Xel]

Caster only has one wish.

Though it's really up to Eli how they are used....and he doesn't even know how to use them yet

Caster wont be able to achieve his wish if Eli uses all three seals

 

[QuirkyAngel]

Caster wont be able to achieve his wish if Eli uses all three seals

There are ways to obtain more. But I concur. Caster will advocate saving them for times of desperation.

 

[QuirkyAngel]

Your skin, hair, clothes, everything is made up of pure magic. We are familiars after all.

Thinking about this again, it confuses me a bit, so I'll ask the expert. The way you describe it sounds like Servants are just giant masses of pure magic. However, their forms are physical, yes? It can be touched, felt, similar to a regular human body. Even if it were created from magic, it doesn't necessarily mean the physical body itself is pure magic, does it? Mana is converted to Magical Energy which can be converted to physical objects (like a human body)...at least that's what I thought. Admittedly, I'm looking more into the the magic of the Fateverse (wiki) since my character is Caster.

Course, I'm assuming that Servants sense each other through mana, since I can't reason any other way besides them simply knowing a Servant on sight =P

 

[Xel]

Thinking about this again, it confuses me a bit, so I'll ask the expert. The way you describe it sounds like Servants are just giant masses of pure magic. However, their forms are physical, yes? It can be touched, felt, similar to a regular human body. Even if it were created from magic, it doesn't necessarily mean the physical body itself is pure magic, does it? Mana is converted to Magical Energy which can be converted to physical objects (like a human body)...at least that's what I thought. Admittedly, I'm looking more into the the magic of the Fateverse (wiki) since my character is Caster.

Course, I'm assuming that Servants sense each other through mana, since I can't reason any other way besides them simply knowing a Servant on sight =P

They're physical in the same way Illya's little bird things were physical. Yeah,sure, they're physical but they're still 100% made out of mana. They're not like homunculus or anything like that. That's why they're more resilient than humans. That's why they're physical beyond anything even the best magus could offer. It's why they can just materialize and dematerialize at will. They SEEM human, but at the end of the day everything right down to their cells is created with magic. That's why their mere upkeep REQUIRES the grail. To upkeep a servant is literally 100% impossible for any magus, even Ilya wouldn't be able to do it. In a grail war the upkeep is, primarily, from the grail with the Master providing a percentage of the mana themselves. The mere existence of a servant consumes so much magic that they can only exist during a grail war with the grail's support. Otherwise they have to take the Gil approach and eat orphans or something.

That's why, if you assume servants sense each other's mana, it's not possible to reduce your mana to levels that can't be sensed. Since the mere existence of a servant's form requires more mana to upkeep than any magus can possibly have. Even if you reduced your mana to the absolute lowest ammount, so 100% of your mana is going to your upkeep, you'd still have more mana than any master in the war.

 

[QuirkyAngel]

They're physical in the same way Illya's little bird things were physical. Yeah,sure, they're physical but they're still 100% made out of mana. They're not like homunculus or anything like that. That's why they're more resilient than humans. That's why they're physical beyond anything even the best magus could offer. It's why they can just materialize and dematerialize at will. They SEEM human, but at the end of the day everything right down to their cells is created with magic. That's why their mere upkeep REQUIRES the grail. To upkeep a servant is literally 100% impossible for any magus, even Ilya wouldn't be able to do it. In a grail war the upkeep is, primarily, from the grail with the Master providing a percentage of the mana themselves. The mere existence of a servant consumes so much magic that they can only exist during a grail war with the grail's support. Otherwise they have to take the Gil approach and eat orphans or something.

That's why, if you assume servants sense each other's mana, it's not possible to reduce your mana to levels that can't be sensed. Since the mere existence of a servant's form requires more mana to upkeep than any magus can possibly have. Even if you reduced your mana to the absolute lowest ammount, so 100% of your mana is going to your upkeep, you'd still have more mana than any master in the war.

I think I get it. It's like Transmuter nen. Servants are basically an imitation of physical without actually being physical...

Guh.

In that case, I don't mind that Saber senses Caster. I don't want him to be some sort of special snowflake that breaks lore. Though it would mean that "Johnny" is pointless other than for Caster's sheer amusement...either that, or I say his Holy Script doesn't drain his mana, but gives him the "blessing of a man" or something like that...<.<

 

[Xel]

I think I get it. It's like Transmuter nen. Servants are basically an imitation of physical without actually being physical...

Guh.

In that case, I don't mind that Saber senses Caster. I don't want him to be some sort of special snowflake that breaks lore. Though it would mean that "Johnny" is pointless other than for Caster's sheer amusement...either that, or I say his Holy Script doesn't drain his mana, but gives him the "blessing of a man" or something like that...<.<

Regardless of the mana thing Johnny was already a special snowflake. He's a Caster with presence concealment rofl. Usually caster's hide themselves with their territory creation and other magical things like bounded fields. I mean, a servant's ability to sense others isn't massive. Like a servant on one side of london would not be able to sense another servant on the other side of london. You have to be in fairly close proximity (relatively speaking) to sense another servant. That's why Archer's can routinely do surprise attacks, they attack from outside the range they can be sensed at.

 

[QuirkyAngel]

Regardless of the mana thing Johnny was already a special snowflake. He's a Caster with presence concealment rofl. Usually caster's hide themselves with their territory creation and other magical things like bounded fields. I mean, a servant's ability to sense others isn't massive. Like a servant on one side of london would not be able to sense another servant on the other side of london. You have to be in fairly close proximity (relatively speaking) to sense another servant. That's why Archer's can routinely do surprise attacks, they attack from outside the range they can be sensed at.

It's actually Item Construction concealment. If Saber can break his Holy Script (which is tied to his hair), than his Servant status will be revealed.

Op vs breaking lore.

I think I'd rather not break lore so blessing of a man it is. I'll make the edits to Johnny's first post later.

 

[QuirkyAngel]

Regardless of the mana thing Johnny was already a special snowflake. He's a Caster with presence concealment rofl. Usually caster's hide themselves with their territory creation and other magical things like bounded fields. I mean, a servant's ability to sense others isn't massive. Like a servant on one side of london would not be able to sense another servant on the other side of london. You have to be in fairly close proximity (relatively speaking) to sense another servant. That's why Archer's can routinely do surprise attacks, they attack from outside the range they can be sensed at.

Actually let's just say the Script creates a bounded field around himself then^^