SirDerpingtonIV
A Campfire at the End of Time
"Sword"Red said:Albert would most definitely run his sword through Haelga too and frame Tiber for it
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"Sword"Red said:Albert would most definitely run his sword through Haelga too and frame Tiber for it
Shes an ironborn, thats the kind of person she is.SirDerpingtonIV said:Except he doesn't realize what kind of person Haelga even is.
To the extent of "Yeah, go do it, kill all of them" but nothing further unless he was ordered by Tiber to help. Hes very loyal, up until the point Tiber does something thats so dishonorable that Roland can't look past it even though he made Roland a lord.Akio said:Would he support Visery plan ot kill the Ironborn ot the last child?
One star-crossed lover scenario is enough for Albert's lifetime.SirDerpingtonIV said:"Sword"
But genocide is coolLeusis said:Shes an ironborn, thats the kind of person she is.
To the extent of "Yeah, go do it, kill all of them" but nothing further unless he was ordered by Tiber to help. Hes very loyal, up until the point Tiber does something thats so dishonorable that Roland can't look past it even though he made Roland a lord.
Nah. And besides, why not? Haelga's pretty...... I think...Red said:One star-crossed lover scenario is enough for Albert's lifetime.
Hmm, interesting. Care to elaborate? (I mean I know about the whole, wipe out women and children thing, but perhaps other stuff in Roland's mind?)Leusis said:Shes an ironborn, thats the kind of person she is.
To the extent of "Yeah, go do it, kill all of them" but nothing further unless he was ordered by Tiber to help. Hes very loyal, up until the point Tiber does something thats so dishonorable that Roland can't look past it even though he made Roland a lord.
Don't worry, I'm sure the Tullys will be fine if Albert turns his affection towards HaelgaRed said:One star-crossed lover scenario is enough for Albert's lifetime.
This is the island in general but House Harlaw owns most of it and in this RP Siegfried has good relations with the other houses on Harlaw, Orkmont and Blacktyde. There is also some marriages in extended Harlaw family but those are a bit irrelevant in the Kingsmoot so I don't thing Saltcliffe and Goodbrother are even close to Guarantted, I do have a plan for Siegfried going on tour during the wedding period.WanderingJester said:Source please. Else I'm going with what the wikia and my recollection of the books say/my fellow GMs. Can't just say "we're the second most powerful house" and have it that way.
Good relations doesn't mean they'll step aside and let him be king.Lancelot said:This is the island in general but House Harlaw owns most of it and in this RP Siegfried has good relations with the other houses on Harlaw, Orkmont and Blacktyde. There is also some marriages in extended Harlaw family but those are a bit irrelevant in the Kingsmoot so I don't thing Saltcliffe and Goodbrother are even close to Guarantted, I do have a plan for Siegfried going on tour during the wedding period.
"Second in size only to Great Wyk, Harlaw is distinguished from the other islands by being both the wealthiest and most densely populated.[3] Harlaw is renowned for its shaggy ponies which are used throughout the Iron Islands.[1] Lead, tin, and iron are mined from Harlaw, Great Wyk, and Orkmont.[4]"
(ovO) Harlaw cadet branches have already been established as pro-SiegfriedHypnos said:Seigfried might not even have the support of the Harlaw cadet branches, if I had a chance to run for king and my cousin told me not to because he wanted to be king, I'd tell him to go fuck himself and run anyway.
I never said it didHypnos said:Good relations doesn't mean they'll step aside and let him be king.
That doesn't make them automatically "the second most powerful house in the Iron Isles." Like Hypnos said, he might not even get all the cadet and vessel houses to support him if the price is right to join the other claimants for the Seastone chair. The statement "House Harlaw is the second most powerful house in the Iron Isles" has no factual basis, other than perhaps a skewered view of what I've already admit before, which is that they are very powerful and one of the more powerful factions amongst the Ironborns.Lancelot said:This is the island in general but House Harlaw owns most of it and in this RP Siegfried has good relations with the other houses on Harlaw, Orkmont and Blacktyde. There is also some marriages in extended Harlaw family but those are a bit irrelevant in the Kingsmoot so I don't thing Saltcliffe and Goodbrother are even close to Guarantted, I do have a plan for Siegfried going on tour during the wedding period.
"Second in size only to Great Wyk, Harlaw is distinguished from the other islands by being both the wealthiest and most densely populated.[3] Harlaw is renowned for its shaggy ponies which are used throughout the Iron Islands.[1] Lead, tin, and iron are mined from Harlaw, Great Wyk, and Orkmont.[4]"
Don't be so sure. Things can always change.Lancelot said:(ovO) Harlaw cadet branches have already been established as pro-Siegfried
Call me a cheater but I am taking it and running with it.
For example, the intentional slaughter of hundreds of innocent people. Killing somebody in his family. Committing the word that shall not be spoken. Backstabbing Roland in a way that almost kills him. Eventually when Roland has a family if Tiber does something to harm them, expect a sword in the chest. Theres tons of stuff, just think if it sounds really bad or involved betraying Roland in a serious way he'll try to kill Tiber most likely.WanderingJester said:Hmm, interesting. Care to elaborate? (I mean I know about the whole, wipe out women and children thing, but perhaps other stuff in Roland's mind?)
I am NPC-ing the Harlaw cadet branches but and have already established them, if you wan't to be take over them as GM then that is your choice.WanderingJester said:That doesn't make them automatically "the second most powerful house in the Iron Isles." Like Hypnos said, he might not even get all the cadet and vessel houses to support him if the price is right to join the other claimants for the Seastone chair. The statement "House Harlaw is the second most powerful house in the Iron Isles" has no factual basis, other than perhaps a skewered view of what I've already admit before, which is that they are very powerful and one of the more powerful factions amongst the Ironborns.
Don't be so sure. Things can always change.
I think I might be thinking of book Harlaws...WanderingJester said:That doesn't make them automatically "the second most powerful house in the Iron Isles." Like Hypnos said, he might not even get all the cadet and vessel houses to support him if the price is right to join the other claimants for the Seastone chair. The statement "House Harlaw is the second most powerful house in the Iron Isles" has no factual basis, other than perhaps a skewered view of what I've already admit before, which is that they are very powerful and one of the more powerful factions amongst the Ironborns.
Don't be so sure. Things can always change.
Would've been easier if Ironborn weren't responsible for massacring Albert's family on his mother's side.SirDerpingtonIV said:Nah. And besides, why not? Haelga's pretty...... I think...
They'll warm up to him, eventually. lmaoHypnos said:Don't worry, I'm sure the Tullys will be fine if Albert turns his affection towards Haelga
Well if you go purely based off the number of troops they have I'm pretty sure they're the second strongest if you count their cadet branches and vassals.WanderingJester said:That doesn't make them automatically "the second most powerful house in the Iron Isles." Like Hypnos said, he might not even get all the cadet and vessel houses to support him if the price is right to join the other claimants for the Seastone chair. The statement "House Harlaw is the second most powerful house in the Iron Isles" has no factual basis, other than perhaps a skewered view of what I've already admit before, which is that they are very powerful and one of the more powerful factions amongst the Ironborns.
Don't be so sure. Things can always change.
Well, that is a good enough point.Red said:Would've been easier if Ironborn weren't responsible for massacring Albert's family on his mother's side.
They'll warm up to him, eventually. lmao
What does he define as "innocent people?" Also "Committing the word that shall not be spoken?" Everything else is understandable.Leusis said:For example, the intentional slaughter of hundreds of innocent people. Killing somebody in his family. Committing the word that shall not be spoken. Backstabbing Roland in a way that almost kills him. Eventually when Roland has a family if Tiber does something to harm them, expect a sword in the chest. Theres tons of stuff, just think if it sounds really bad or involved betraying Roland in a serious way he'll try to kill Tiber most likely.
That's fine, NPCs are characters with backgrounds and lives. I have an Ironborn NPC myself stashed away somewhere. As for Harlaw cadets, they can always change their minds. I might just do that whenever the Kingsmoot happens. which is never.Lancelot said:I am NPC-ing the Harlaw cadet branches but and have already established them, if you wan't to be take over them as GM then that is your choice.
I'm going with the book Harlaws (at least that's what it seems like on the wikia). It doesn't state anywhere that they're "the second strongest" on House Harlaw's page, only that they're one of the most powerful houses on the Iron Isles, which, again, is something that I'm already admitting to.Lancelot said:I think I might be thinking of book Harlaws...
RP Harlaws are still pretty powerful though.
Again, Vassals can always turn their backs or pledge elsewhere, cadets the same.Leusis said:Well if you go purely based off the number of troops they have I'm pretty sure they're the second strongest if you count their cadet branches and vassals.
Rape is the word i believeWanderingJester said:What does he define as "innocent people?" Also "Committing the word that shall not be spoken?" Everything else is understandable.
Oh, right, got it @Leusis . About the "innocent people" though?Akio said:Rape is the word i believe
No offense but you would have to convince me they would.WanderingJester said:What does he define as "innocent people?" Also "Committing the word that shall not be spoken?" Everything else is understandable.
That's fine, NPCs are characters with backgrounds and lives. I have an Ironborn NPC myself stashed away somewhere. As for Harlaw cadets, they can always change their minds. I might just do that whenever the Kingsmoot happens. which is never.
I'm going with the book Harlaws (at least that's what it seems like on the wikia). It doesn't state anywhere that they're "the second strongest" on House Harlaw's page, only that they're one of the most powerful houses on the Iron Isles, which, again, is something that I'm already admitting to.
Again, Vassals can always turn their backs or pledge elsewhere, cadets the same.