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[Uncultured]

Zerohex

Chakra pool is physical stamina as well as technique stamina. That's its purpose in this trait system. It is the overall ability to fight and keep fighting for a long period of time. Chakra is shown in the series to more or less be the "life energy" of the character. If someone has low chakra, they're tired as hell, and unable to go on a taijutsu rampage, as that requires energy, chakra etc. Look at the gates, it literally increases the flow of chakra to increase taijutsu ability.

Perhaps there is some nitpick that proves me wrong, but all I really have to do is change "chakra pool" to "energy pool" and all points are moot.

You're trying for mid Jonin level strength and durability without any tangible consequences by saying that chakra pool shouldn't be stamina. Even if I let this build through, I'd have to constantly police your character to make sure you're not endurance fighting. Also, if you were really going for balance you'd have speed at #3.

At the end of the day, the point of this setup was to create a series of strengths and weaknesses for a group of Chunin, that's it. We are RPing as ninja not in their primes yet, who each have flaws, but can also kick ass. Its not supposed to be that serious, You're certainly sacrificing by having no ninjutsu or genjutsu, but you're overstacking off the start, trying to be a god, if you go the full 45 route with traits to match, you'll be the strongest hand to hand person in the group, but that doesn't seem to be enough.

What is serious though is not making people feel like they are playing by rules that others aren't. You can make an exceptional hand to hand user under the current rules. Have your 1/2 as strength and either speed and durability which is mid jonin and upper chunin, then 3/4 being speed/durability/pool. Then control at 5.

If I change rules for you, I then do it for everyone, and then we are all editing character sheets again.

 

[Uncultured]

clarinetti

You're good to post! Checked you CS over and you're accepted.

You can just hop in at the current time skip as someone that was silently hanging about at the gate who is now more socially present lmao.

Thanks for joining up so quick I appreciate it a lot!

 

[Uncultured]

KSMI

I went over your character and you're fully approved. I appreciate having a medical specialist on board!

On a side note, Im spamming this board lol my bad everyone.

 

[Shining Wizard]

Uncultured So hey having stats with no actual mechanics to back them is always janky and never actually works out but how about we split this a little more cleanly and go for six in total? That way it doesn't look like you've set this up to arbitrarily cripple anyone not a jutsuman, which is honestly how this is coming across because the way you talk is making control/pool out to be the end all be all best option that puts you above everyone else, which itself defeats the purpose of, you know, trying to arbitrarily "balance" characters with stats that aren't tied to anything.

Strength (physical technique effectiveness), Speed (physical technique speed), Durability (physical technique stamina/endurance), Chakra Control (jutsu effectiveness), Hand Signs (jutsu speed), Chakra Pool (jutsu stamina/endurance)

And then you just split them up 5/4/3/3/2/1 and then zerohex can do his split 5/4/4/2/2/1 in favor of physical and we all go home happy. Seem fair?

 

[Uncultured]

Uncultured So hey having stats with no actual mechanics to back them is always janky and never actually works out but how about we split this a little more cleanly and go for six in total? That way it doesn't look like you've set this up to arbitrarily cripple anyone not a jutsuman, which is honestly how this is coming across because the way you talk is making control/pool out to be the end all be all best option that puts you above everyone else, which itself defeats the purpose of, you know, trying to arbitrarily "balance" characters with stats that aren't tied to anything.

Strength (physical technique effectiveness), Speed (physical technique speed), Durability (physical technique stamina/endurance), Chakra Control (jutsu effectiveness), Hand Signs (jutsu speed), Chakra Pool (jutsu stamina/endurance)

And then you just split them up 5/4/3/3/2/1 and then zerohex can do his split 5/4/4/2/2/1 in favor of physical and we all go home happy. Seem fair?

If you have high control and pool you're sacrificing other stuff like speed and durability which is important even for a ninjutsu specialist.

A 100% ninjutsu build would have

1. Control
2. Speed
3. Durability
4. Pool
5. Strength

Or more extreme stuff like

1. Control
2. Pool
3. Speed
4. Durability
5. Strength

See the problems with this build?

Sure, it is great at ninjutsu..... however, up close it gets shredded with low durability, crap strength.

There are guys like Kakashi who have super high chakra control but trash overall pool. Then people like early Naruto who have high pool and trash control. It is two forms of stamina, one being better for a physical fighter where controlling chakra flow is less important and one for a technique fighter where controlling flow is more important. Then, if you want to be a true endurance freak, you can have both.

I understand that there are some minor holes in my stat system, but that's because it's simple and stupid so that it can be done in ten seconds. I have had complex systems before and that leads to more questions than what I want to deal with and a bunch of discouraged members who are tired of the RP before the first post.

Edit

And the whole point of the traits is to box people into a characters fighting style. I just want people to feel that their characters have an identity in combat. It's not some MMORPG class balancing thing, it's more of a "what kind of fighter are you" to prevent everyone from being super strong, fast, durable, when the plot calls for it.

 

[Shining Wizard]

Why are you calling them "builds" and a "system", exactly? This isn't a vidyagame, dude, it's internet pretend. My suggestion would be to either assign some mechanics to this if you wanted to make it a real system or, if not that, then to at least give your numbers a proper, sensical split.

 

[Uncultured]

Why are you calling them "builds" and a "system", exactly? This isn't a vidyagame, dude, it's internet pretend. My suggestion would be to either assign some mechanics to this if you wanted to make it a real system or, if not that, then to at least give your numbers a proper, sensical split.

It only exists to prevent master of all trade characters. Go join a RP for a battle manga/anime fandom that doesn't have any system in place. A lot of characters end up equal parts super fast, super strong, and super durable, all depending on what the plot needs in the moment. I'm guilty of that as well. Why I have the trait system is to prevent that from happening. The stat splits exist for character progression in a way that's measurable.

Again, this is all impromptu, non sourced, HunterJJ logic, which can be wrong in some ways, but I'm trying to provide a situation where no one can just marty/mary stu/sue their way through the RP, and where there is a measurable system for character progression and where everyone can feel strong and valuable without having to give into the temptation of having a god character, because as soon as a couple of those get into the RP, where it's just an ultimate power fantasy and they want a 99/99 overall character, it ends up being either.

1. Self limit, be weak.
2. God character, be strong

 

[KSMI]

KSMI

I went over your character and you're fully approved. I appreciate having a medical specialist on board!

On a side note, Im spamming this board lol my bad everyone.

Np~

Kloudy I don't mind our characters already knowing each other before the attack

 

[Shining Wizard]

Uncultured
Okay and I understand your logic but if you notice nothing is actually enforcing these parameters in any way. They're seriously just undefined numbers on a sheet.

 

[KSMI]

Fearlesstiger Duwang Scion Kloudy Shining Wizard KnightOfNight

To avoid stepping over each other's feet, at the top or bottom of your posts would you mind listing which enemies your character is attacking? Makes it easier, for example, the fifth guy in line to post to know which enemy is being attacked and which one isn't.

 

[Zerohex]

Uncultured
Okay but the entire point of taijutsu even when the series started stacking escalation gimmicks everywhere is that it can be done through physical might rather than explicit chakra use, which is what I'm aiming for. The Gates don't change Lee's techniques either, he doesn't use chakra for them and the gates don't enhance taijutsu per se, it's a forced physical boost through a very specific part of chakra as it relates to the body, and physical stamina and general physical performance are explicitly distinct from one's chakra abilities. This is the entire crux of Rock Lee and Might Guy, man.

I'm trying for a character type that has been done in the source material, and without energy release gimmicks to carry my character. Lee's raw physical stats were clearly above those of his contemporaries along with his taijutsu because that's how specialization works. I don't and won't have magic or weapons so something has to compensate for the clear marked limitations, I'm not sure how pure physicals somehow completely trump a character that can do about the same things as mine with the added benefit of causing explosions on command. How is a guy who's limited entirely to fistfights a gary stu in Naruto of all settings?

The entire point of the character is someone that exists to drag other close range combat experts into an endurance brawl, someone who'll get the shit kicked out of him and never stop coming forward, who can outwork superior opponents through sheer dogged physicality. It's pro wrestling storytelling 101, but fighting people who have destructive magical powers to boot. I don't mind putting speed on 3 as a compromise, but you're being awful inflexible about something you yourself say is a loose impromptu measuring stick, which works entirely on fiat and agreed upon narrative.

If it's just about keeping up a consistent character sheet, I can do a writeup about how my character's fighting style maximizes physical performance and endurance with specific "techniques" dedicated to these points, but this all seems entirely too jutsu centric as is and you're kinda gimping my character who is already limited to the most simplistic field of engagement and has nothing else to him.

 

[Uncultured]

Uncultured
Okay but the entire point of taijutsu even when the series started stacking escalation gimmicks everywhere is that it can be done through physical might rather than explicit chakra use, which is what I'm aiming for. The Gates don't change Lee's techniques either, he doesn't use chakra for them and the gates don't enhance taijutsu per se, it's a forced physical boost through a very specific part of chakra as it relates to the body, and physical stamina and general physical performance are explicitly distinct from one's chakra abilities. This is the entire crux of Rock Lee and Might Guy, man.

I'm trying for a character type that has been done in the source material, and without energy release gimmicks to carry my character. Lee's raw physical stats were clearly above those of his contemporaries along with his taijutsu because that's how specialization works. I don't and won't have magic or weapons so something has to compensate for the clear marked limitations, I'm not sure how pure physicals somehow completely trump a character that can do about the same things as mine with the added benefit of causing explosions on command. How is a guy who's limited entirely to fistfights a gary stu in Naruto of all settings?

The entire point of the character is someone that exists to drag other close range combat experts into an endurance brawl, someone who'll get the shit kicked out of him and never stop coming forward, who can outwork superior opponents through sheer dogged physicality. It's pro wrestling storytelling 101, but fighting people who have destructive magical powers to boot. I don't mind putting speed on 3 as a compromise, but you're being awful inflexible about something you yourself say is a loose impromptu measuring stick, which works entirely on fiat and agreed upon narrative.

If it's just about keeping up a consistent character sheet, I can do a writeup about how my character's fighting style maximizes physical performance and endurance with specific "techniques" dedicated to these points, but this all seems entirely too jutsu centric as is and you're kinda gimping my character who is already limited to the most simplistic field of engagement and has nothing else to him.

Try viewing "Chakra pool" for what it is in context rather than arguing over source material semantics. That is the "endurance stat" apologies for the wording but that is what it serves as. It is the ability to do stuff for long periods of time, both physical and non physical. Control is another form of endurance, if you will, that allows for a high degree of efficiency with the flow of chakra. If you would like to go with the double 1, 3, double 5, that is something I will allow because now that I think about it, it will be fair, because your stamina will be ass. You are already asking me to change what I will accept into the RP by trying to force through double mid jonin abilities on a chunin. I will let that through because of all the other limitations. What I will not do is re-define the definitions of the traits after 8 other people made characters based on those rules. So take that for what you will.

 

[Uncultured]

Fearlesstiger Duwang Scion Kloudy Shining Wizard KnightOfNight

To avoid stepping over each other's feet, at the top or bottom of your posts would you mind listing which enemies your character is attacking? Makes it easier, for example, the fifth guy in line to post to know which enemy is being attacked and which one isn't.

Great point.

Right now, one academy level street fighter and one genin level street fighter are down.

From now on we should do this though, I agree 100%

 

[Uncultured]

Arrogant Menace

Accepted! Happy to have you on board.

 

[Zerohex]

Uncultured
I'm not asking you to redefine anything, just pointing out that chakra as stamina makes little sense when canonically taijutsu is useful not just because it's general fighting skills but because it serves to preserve chakra since you're not using it, which is one of the ways Kakashi deals with his comparatively average chakra pool vs his other talents as a genius and how The Mightys achieve anything at all. You're actively contradicting the source material and gimping character avenues.

Again, it's give and take, because my guy can't actually do anything else and that is a hugely limiting factor which you seem to be glazing over. I'm not holding my character to any bizarre unrealistic standards, it's one of the series' archetypes but flavored with pro wrestling rather than kung fu movies. Lee could open five gates at age 12, and even without using them he could put his hand through solid earth and lift up a giant tree root much larger than he was during the Chunin exams, when you specialize in something you become comparatively better at it.

Please tell me how a character that's limited to punching people in the face is overpowered compared the folks doing the same with the addition of a variety of superpowers. All I want is to be on the same level as everyone else while having a distinct character flavor, one that the series already provided for. So again, would a writeup of his "taijutsu" techniques detailing energy conservation and body strengthening work?

 

[Uncultured]

Uncultured
I'm not asking you to redefine anything, just pointing out that chakra as stamina makes little sense when canonically taijutsu is useful not just because it's general fighting skills but because it serves to preserve chakra since you're not using it, which is one of the ways Kakashi deals with his comparatively average chakra pool vs his other talents as a genius and how The Mightys achieve anything at all. You're actively contradicting the source material and gimping character avenues.

Again, it's give and take, because my guy can't actually do anything else and that is a hugely limiting factor which you seem to be glazing over. I'm not holding my character to any bizarre unrealistic standards, it's one of the series' archetypes but flavored with pro wrestling rather than kung fu movies. Lee could open five gates at age 12, and even without using them he could put his hand through solid earth and lift up a giant tree root much larger than he was during the Chunin exams, when you specialize in something you become comparatively better at it.

Please tell me how a character that's limited to punching people in the face is overpowered compared the folks doing the same with the addition of a variety of superpowers. All I want is to be on the same level as everyone else while having a distinct character flavor, one that the series already provided for. So again, would a writeup of his "taijutsu" techniques detailing energy conservation and body strengthening work?

If you want to keep this going, direct message me, the OOC is not for circular non ending arguments about power levels.

And you think that it's impossible to be on the level as a taijutsu main because of the system, but I really, really disagree.

45

10

10

1. Speed
2. Strength
3. Pool
4. Durability
5. Control

That character is strong as hell my man.

I think you're not valuing how powerful the other traits are. Even your 4th trait is still chunin level. Albeit on the weaker side. The only stat that is actually weak is #5. As that's the middle of the rank below you. So as Chunin that's mid genin level.

At 45 you have Kakashi level taijutsu up until the power scaling went off the rails later on in shippuden.

I mean, are you really gonna complain, get up close and you wax pretty much ANY of the cast rn.

Pool at 3 gives you the stamina of a guy like Neji during the chunin exam. Doesn't have a marathon level of endurance, but can fight for a good period of time before being too tired to continue.

Stength/speed at 1/2 makes you as strong as hell, A rank strength or speed allowing you to have either tree busting hits or blinding speed, and the one at #2 is high chunin, like B+ rank, like one of the sound four in form 1.

Of course you're not gonna wipe the floor with everyone's character in a hypothetical fight, but that's kind of the point. At the same time you'd certainly whip a fair portion of our asses.

 

[Zerohex]

Uncultured
Right, been having the conversation here because it could well relate to other people's characters and views regarding the stat system, which hey could be important. I think Shining Wizard raised a good point on having an even magic/physical stat split even if it'd be slightly more hassle for people to go back and take like 2 minutes to rearrange an abritrary stat sheet.

But the point of the character is someone that doesn't want to zip around and do ridiculous made up martial arts, he wants to be a japanese style pro wrestler, someone who can engage in matches that go for up to an hour of exertion, trade blows nonstop for minutes on end in a very grounded and hard-hitting style and still hit a big suplex or slam for a finish. It's a narrative centered on all three things. I'm not saying it's impossible to be on the level with taijutsu, I'm saying that you're making a pure physical build more gimped than even the source material and actively limiting the number of ways in which people can do variants of a thing and the stat system doesn't really take specialists into account.

You banned bloodline traits to keep things even, but it feels like I am being actively punished for not stacking as wide a variety powers as I can here and trying to go with pure physical instead. Like even with the strength my scope would still be tremendously limited compared to other characters, which is what I want, to be a specialist that's very hard to beat at his field but useless elsewhere. And again Neji's a very particular example because his entire style of taijutsu is centered around using chakra and this is considered rare, whereas Lee (who isn't even a prodigy like Neji) only shows particular signs of wear and tear after using a self destructive technique.

 

[KSMI]

clarinetti Gj focusing on extracting the civillians.

 

[Uncultured]

Zerohex

No one else is complaining though. If this system isn't OK with you, go find a RP that vibes with you, or spend the time to make your own. I understand that there are flaws, like in any system, but they're mitigated. You're short selling the strength of a specialist character. Asking for an additional trait like Shining Wizard is very different than asking for

1. Two Jonin level skills
2. A redefinition of what skills do

I thank you for considering this RP, but if what I've conceded (giving you two Jonin level traits) is not sufficient than I really have nothing else to say. I have tried really hard to be as cordial as possible while you look for any possible way to rip apart my character system and have turned the OOC into a debate field. If you have anything else to reply with, DM or I'm just gonna delete your posts because this is rediculous.

 

[KnightOfNight]

Uncultured
I'm confused, what's wrong with a specialist being highly specialized? Even with a 2 in speed there's still people who are faster AND have ninjutsu to increase their speed and maneuverability beyond that while Zerohex is limited to running and jumping.

Also, how big is the platform the boss made?

 

[Uncultured]

Uncultured
I'm confused, what's wrong with a specialist being highly specialized? Even with a 2 in speed there's still people who are faster AND have ninjutsu to increase their speed and maneuverability beyond that while Zerohex is limited to running and jumping.

Also, how big is the platform the boss made?

I'm allowing the double stack but what's being asked is for physical stamina to no longer be part of chakra pool, and to not even exist more or less, so that he is a jonin level taijutsu user, with Jonin strength and Jonin durability with near Jonin speed, without taking any stamina hit. All this in a RP filled with chunin. That's the problem.

 

[Scion]

Well I'm pretty sure I saw someone else vouching for a six trait deal which, honestly that seems like the best answer? Then I didn't see any of these traits really explained until, right now actually.

 

[Uncultured]

Well I'm pretty sure I saw someone else vouching for a six trait deal which, honestly that seems like the best answer? Then I didn't see any of these traits really explained until, right now actually.

I told that person in a DM that if they wanted that sixth trait added they could make a poll and ask people on the OOC, no poll has been posted so far but I did leave that option open. I don't want that changed but if there is a majority vote for it then I'll abide it.

 

[Uncultured]

KnightOfNight

Roughly 35 feet by 35 feet, length of an average coach bus squared. About 30 feet off the ground.

 

[Shining Wizard]

Uncultured You know, I hate to say this, but I've seen this kinda scenario before where the GM makes a game that's nothing but nonstop combat and then obsesses over keeping everyone "balanced", but "balanced" means "can't beat my own character" and they just sort of expect people to accept some headcanon created to make their guy top munchkin. Not saying you're that but, you know, kind of an ugly color on you if you catch my drift. Doesn't really help your case that the bulk of your CS is powerset, either.

Also, I can't make polls, only thread creator can make those which is why I asked you to set it up but hey we can do it manually if you like.

Jade Emperor Kloudy Fearlesstiger Duwang Scion KnightOfNight KSMI Zerohex
Who's for statblock transparency and/or actual mechanics to make this make sense? All in favor say aye.