Red Shadow Claws
Six Thousand Club
Is everyone's character ready?
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Axelgear
General Wontwit
I'm still waiting on a detail or two from you but otherwise I'm golden. No pun intended. 
Immensely, thank you.Divideby0 said:
Just to keep the character generation topic free of unrelated discussions,
Hah, I know how you feel. I have a similar problem, except with both Compassion and Conviction. So far three of my four Exalted characters are Compassion/Conviction > Valor > Temperance, and I have two more characters in mind that would likely fit best as the same.
Red Shadow Claws
Six Thousand Club
if we're discussing this, I can honestly say that I've played characters with almost any type of virtue high, though never Valor as the highest. It really, for me, depends on the type of character I want to play. There are benefits and disadvantages to each choice.
Axelgear
General Wontwit
I'm playing a high Valor Fair Folk in another game, if that counts. Or I should be, at least, if the game survives. The deathknight I plan to make will probably end up high on the Conviction/Valor side of things and very low on Compassion. An established element of his character is making hand-puppets from his victims.
The interesting thing is what happens when you don't play to the stereotypes of these virtues. For example, a character high on Compassion may need only be compassionate about things they believe matter (Infernals actually have a Charm to facilitate this), not everything. A character high in Temperance might come from a culture with odd taboos and have self restraint for the weirdest things (such as not facing West when they sit down) yet eat rather gluttonously. A character high on Conviction might stick closely once they set their mind to somethign but that doesn't mean they're exactly the planning type.
Night Surgeon, said Abyssal, is going to be high Con/Val but he's going to avoid combat much of the time and his only real goal is his amusement.
The interesting thing is what happens when you don't play to the stereotypes of these virtues. For example, a character high on Compassion may need only be compassionate about things they believe matter (Infernals actually have a Charm to facilitate this), not everything. A character high in Temperance might come from a culture with odd taboos and have self restraint for the weirdest things (such as not facing West when they sit down) yet eat rather gluttonously. A character high on Conviction might stick closely once they set their mind to somethign but that doesn't mean they're exactly the planning type.
Night Surgeon, said Abyssal, is going to be high Con/Val but he's going to avoid combat much of the time and his only real goal is his amusement.
Xormis
Junior Member
How I see it:
High Compassion
Benefits: You can have empathy toward others(when you are helping people, activating the virtue gets you a lot of dice!)
Drawback: You can't ignore suffering of others and might get yourself into trouble or get sidetracked during your mission.
High Conviction
Benefits: You are a set on getting what you want(You get more chance to regain willpower back each Day!)
Drawback: You might kill your family and sell your soul to devil to achieve what you are after.
High Temperance
Benefits: You are not easily swayed by other's words and illusions
Drawback: You might be overly cautious, cynical, or judgemental.
High Valor
Benefits: You don't get easily scared in combat, or easily intimidated.
Drawback: You have a hard time turning down a fight or a challenge.
High Compassion
Benefits: You can have empathy toward others(when you are helping people, activating the virtue gets you a lot of dice!)
Drawback: You can't ignore suffering of others and might get yourself into trouble or get sidetracked during your mission.
High Conviction
Benefits: You are a set on getting what you want(You get more chance to regain willpower back each Day!)
Drawback: You might kill your family and sell your soul to devil to achieve what you are after.
High Temperance
Benefits: You are not easily swayed by other's words and illusions
Drawback: You might be overly cautious, cynical, or judgemental.
High Valor
Benefits: You don't get easily scared in combat, or easily intimidated.
Drawback: You have a hard time turning down a fight or a challenge.
Speaking of that, are Virtue rolls used often in second edition apart from when they're being channeled? From the little I've skimmed through the first edition rules I've seen some effects where you have to roll a virtue to resist something, but I don't remember seeing anything that requires or even suggests Virtues are rolled that way in second edition, though I've seen it done in games.
In the tabletop games that I've played in virtue rolls are somewhat common. The storyteller's will put in things that will warrant a virtue roll. Sometimes is plays off of the virtue itself - hey solar with the high compassion look at those dragon-blood immaculates kicking that puppy - or by your motivation or intimacies - I've successfully made my rolls to elude the wyld hunt but I hate dragon-bloods and I like puppies - it's all a part of dramatic storytelling. You see it in the movies all the time like when the hero goes back to rescue his friend (we all go home or no one goes home) or the sidekick agrees to the crazy plan (I am going to regret this later).
Oh, another question, this time about the "one Charm per action without using combos" rule... does that mean that you can only use that one Charm you activate as many times as you want before your next action? For example, could a character use a Dodge Excellency against each attack in a flurry without using a combo?
For some reason I was under the impression you could only activate one Charm once, but the combat example I've been reading seems to contradict that.
For some reason I was under the impression you could only activate one Charm once, but the combat example I've been reading seems to contradict that.
Red Shadow Claws
Six Thousand Club
not in a while. will PM him right now.
how about your character sheet? any idea when it wll be uploaded?
how about your character sheet? any idea when it wll be uploaded?
I've just been waiting for a response, so I could decide what to do with Merits and Flaws... if it's a problem, though, I could just go ahead with it anyway. I don't think there was anything very important for my character to have, and... I don't think anyone else was using them, either.
Axelgear
General Wontwit
We still don't have Merits and Flaws for the 2nd Edition, unless they're custom or based from 1st Ed...
Xormis
Junior Member
100 XP + 9 BP is enough for anyone, and this is a large party. You can easily reach end of martial art trees, or essence 4 and celestial sorcery... I don't know what we are going up against, but unless it's a bunch of deathlords or demons of 3rd circle...I am not sure why one would need any extra points.
rolling 35 dice is fun at first, but it gets old quick.
rolling 35 dice is fun at first, but it gets old quick.
Axelgear
General Wontwit
I'm wondering when the hell you'd roll 35 dice, outside of major sorcery...
High-level First Age games? With high enough Essence and an Excellency it would be easy enough to get more dice than that, I think.
Also, crafting an artifact with the help of some assistants could add up to a lot of dice.
EDIT: On an unrelated note, do Lunars get any Medicine-related Charms? I could have sworn I saw some a while ago, but I can't find anything like that now...
Also, crafting an artifact with the help of some assistants could add up to a lot of dice.
EDIT: On an unrelated note, do Lunars get any Medicine-related Charms? I could have sworn I saw some a while ago, but I can't find anything like that now...
Axelgear
General Wontwit
Well, yes, but I meant in our relative power level. I'm also fairly certain it's a reference to combat.
As for Lunar charms, I shall check and let you know if I find any.
As for Lunar charms, I shall check and let you know if I find any.
Xormis
Junior Member
what I am trying to say is, if you spend an eon creating your characters. Though world shattering and mighty they might be. You'll never get to play...
It's fine if you keep trying to optimize from all the obscure sources you can find, it takes time. But if people can't finish their character sheets, we can't play...
It's fine if you keep trying to optimize from all the obscure sources you can find, it takes time. But if people can't finish their character sheets, we can't play...
