['Neath Shattered Skies and Scattered Stars] General Discussion - Teams, Plots, and Mayhem

Black Viziers can access Isidoros charms, and Hardened Devil Body replaces all Ox-Body charms for the Infernal Host.
 
[QUOTE="Tepet Doneno]Black Viziers can access Isidoros charms, and Hardened Devil Body replaces all Ox-Body charms for the Infernal Host.

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This sounds as though they have Sidereal charms, too. Isn't that a little strange for not being Akuma?
 
[QUOTE="Shining Lotus Sage]This sounds as though they have Sidereal charms, too. Isn't that a little strange for not being Akuma?

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Black Viziers and Corroded Dragons use -until I can find/make better substitutes- charms that are mechanically the same as the normal Exaltations. The names are different, and the aesthetics are changed to match the Yozi in charge of them, but it's the same charm overall. Black Viziers for example snarl and snap certain threads of Fate to get their desired effect.
 
On a related note, how do Akuma work in your perspective? Is it possible for a mortal to gain access to solar level charms by becoming an akuma? How common are they? Can one of the non-GSP Infernals become an Akuma?
 
Esbilon said:
On a related note, how do Akuma work in your perspective? Is it possible for a mortal to gain access to solar level charms by becoming an akuma? How common are they? Can one of the non-GSP Infernals become an Akuma?
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Akuma as I understand them are Exalts who have essentially made themselves into puppets for a Yozi. They now have better sorcery and access to their Patron's charms, but no free will. And since they have to listen to the same rules as the Yozi, there isn't a whole lot they can do outside of Hell.


1. Mortals cannot become Akuma: their piddly little souls can't handle that much power without an Exaltation to help them endure the flow.


2. Akuma are: Common among DBs, Uncommon among Solars, Rare among Sidereals, and Uncommon among Lunars. That is --> 1,500/10,000 DBs, 15/150 Solars, 20/300 Lunars, and roughly 6/100 Sidereals. A lot of them didn't realize what they were signing on for, and a large chunk of the DBs are Lintha.


3. In-game? yes. Any Exalt can become an Akuma. I would not recommend it for PCs though.
 
[QUOTE="Tepet Doneno]Akuma as I understand them are Exalts who have essentially made themselves into puppets for a Yozi. They now have better sorcery and access to their Patron's charms, but no free will. And since they have to listen to the same rules as the Yozi, there isn't a whole lot they can do outside of Hell.
1. Mortals cannot become Akuma: their piddly little souls can't handle that much power without an Exaltation to help them endure the flow.


2. Akuma are: Common among DBs, Uncommon among Solars, Rare among Sidereals, and Uncommon among Lunars. That is --> 1,500/10,000 DBs, 15/150 Solars, 20/300 Lunars, and roughly 6/100 Sidereals. A lot of them didn't realize what they were signing on for, and a large chunk of the DBs are Lintha.


3. In-game? yes. Any Exalt can become an Akuma. I would not recommend it for PCs though.

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That's not quite accurate. They give up everything they are and let the Yozi (through a 3rd circle demon) completely rebuild them, changing charms and traits to any degree they please. The Yozis then give them an Urge to replace their lost Motivation, and sends them on their way. They do not have to obey commands from the Yozis, and they can't be controlled by the Yozis. In fact, if an Urge becomes unsolvable, or impractical, an Akuma might end up being a liability for the Yozi, and they have no way of changing the akuma's urge because the akuma has to voluntarily undergo the ritual again.


1. Great, that solves one of my major worries with akumas, namely that they let there be way too many people running around with solar level charms.


2. Those numbers seem very high to me. The sort of people who Exalt are rarely the same sort who accept the akuma deal.


3. Akumafication is comparable to death in OOC terms. You basically end up with a new character.
 
Esbilon said:
That's not quite accurate. They give up everything they are and let the Yozi (through a 3rd circle demon) completely rebuild them, changing charms and traits to any degree they please. The Yozis then give them an Urge to replace their lost Motivation, and sends them on their way. They do not have to obey commands from the Yozis, and they can't be controlled by the Yozis. In fact, if an Urge becomes unsolvable, or impractical, an Akuma might end up being a liability for the Yozi, and they have no way of changing the akuma's urge because the akuma has to voluntarily undergo the ritual again.
1. Great, that solves one of my major worries with akumas, namely that they let there be way too many people running around with solar level charms.


2. Those numbers seem very high to me. The sort of people who Exalt are rarely the same sort who accept the akuma deal.


3. Akumafication is comparable to death in OOC terms. You basically end up with a new character.
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Mh. Sorry, puppet wasn't quite the right analogy. Pre-programed automaton might be better. I know that the Urge can be a liability, I just meant that they have to listen to the same rules as the Yozi in that certain charms are off-limits in Creation. SWLIHN got really pissed by that rule.


2. I'm trying to find a good balance: there are a few Akuma Sidereals, and while solars are rare, they are also much more ignorant than they were in the First Age. DBs are just high because I couldn't find a scale reference for how many Lintha are DBs. Lunar's I just kind of made up a number. I assume at minimum though there are at least 100 exalted Akuma, at least one of each type.

[QUOTE="Shining Lotus Sage]Tellin' you, meng. Nocturnals. But I don't have a dog in this fight.

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Eh. Frak it. Nocturnals read pretty close to what I want. Isidoros is their Patron in Hell, and invested a shard of his UNIMAGINABLE POWER into them while Nox is trapped.
 
Sure they're ignorant, but accepting a deal with the devil is not a matter of ignorance, it is a matter of blind stupidity. And they aren't any stupider than they were then, hell they're a good deal less arrogant which pushes in the direction of fewer akumas.


The fraction of all DBs who are Lintha is negligible, there might be about a hundred compared to the tens of thousands in the Realm and Lookshy. The Lintha are a thorn in the Realm's side, not a threat to them. The only reason they haven't been destroyed is that it's not worth it to commit the resources, not that they don't have the resources.
 
Esbilon said:
Sure they're ignorant, but accepting a deal with the devil is not a matter of ignorance, it is a matter of blind stupidity. And they aren't any stupider than they were then, hell they're a good deal less arrogant which pushes in the direction of fewer akumas.
The fraction of all DBs who are Lintha is negligible, there might be about a hundred compared to the tens of thousands in the Realm and Lookshy. The Lintha are a thorn in the Realm's side, not a threat to them. The only reason they haven't been destroyed is that it's not worth it to commit the resources, not that they don't have the resources.
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1. I just meant that their ignorance would push them to stupid choices when they get humbled.


2. I only tried to picture a scope after you asked. Until now I've just had a nebulous image of around 100 akuma. Got a bit carried away after that. Sorry about that.
 
As for planning...


I've decided to not do the Lunar, and play my very first Abyssal. Is there any other PC who won't kill a Neverborn-loyalist Dusk on sight? Maybe just among the Infernals, as an uneasy alliance against Creation's defenders?
 
My Charachter likely wouldn't......


Unless you scared him. He's paranoid as all hell.. On the other hand, y'know, he might very well like you. He gives zero fucks about alot of things at this point.... and that you're a deathmachine is likely to be on the list.
 
Not sure how an obvious Dusk caste wouldn't be scary. Unless you don't fear death? Then we could be Armageddon buddies.
 
He fear's most everything, I'll admit.


That said? Death /is/ likely the only exception. And later his Solar Bond Mate, once he finds her.
 
Taminoko wouldn't kill you on sight. She'd find something worse and have you kill it or die trying. Rinse. Repeat. ;)
 
That's not necessarily true... TAWs can keep their gender identity easily enough, especially if they don't take that one Charm. It's just optional for them, I suppose.


Or did you mean me? Wasn't planning on it... if my character were female, it'd basically be a ripoff of the signature Dusk, but I could probably figure out a way to differentiate...


Oh, and I do have a title. Paladin of Broken Dreams. He/she is of the belief that feeding Creation into the Void counts as a mercy kill.
 
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Whereas, our Dawn wants to keep Creation intact because that's where the hot chicks are.


...if he finds that last Titan-class aerial citadel he might well load all the pretty people up and leave Creation to the rest.
 
Honestly? My Charachter is currently, batshit insane. Will eventualy get his shit together enough to realize "No Creation, Means no me!" And not like that. Until then? Welll... Perm Limit 6, Near Chimera. He's nutshit.
 
Does he do tricks? Like, toss him a squirrel, GNASHCHOMPSLURP, "Awesome! Have another!"


Also, Dawny boy may eventually decide to become the (lone?) defender of Creation because of currently unimportant backstory elements. Though he might do it by attitude adjustments to the Yozi/Neverborn...
 
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