Fandom Fate/Drifters ooc

[wdinatx]

It's not really random without a catalyst. Without a catalyst, the Grail simply chooses a Servant with the most personal compatibility with the Master. Hence why Ryunosuuke "happened" to summon the one guy that he has really good disposition synergy with.

Didn’t he have a catalyst?

 

[Birdsie]

Didn’t he have a catalyst?

He did not, unless you count random people's blood as the catalyst for summoning Bluebeard, which it is not.

 

[Birdsie]

By default, masters can see basic stats. Agi, str, etc etc. That's really all they can see. If a servant's true name is discovered this doesn't change. Stats remain the only thing they can actually see. They can't see personal skills, or NPs. Mechanically, nothing changes if you learn a servant's true name. Learning their name is only useful because servants have an innate knowledge of all other souls within the throne of heroes. So they know every detail about your legend and history and thus can guesstimate what your abilities are and what you can do, and better plan around it.

How impactful this is really depends on the servants and masters involved. Some servants just aren't effected, like Iskander or Saber, neither one of them cared in the slightest about their identities being known and they weren't effected in any way by their enemies knowing their identities. But other servants, like Achilles or Siegfried, have actual tangible weaknesses that can be exploited if their enemies knew about them. Thus they'd want to keep their identities a secret.

Incorrect.

By default, every Master who participates in the Holy Grail War gains an ability called "Master's Clairvoyance," which lets them see the parameters of any Servant in their vision. This doesn't apply for non-magi like Ryunosuuke.

Master's Clairvoyance also fills out the gaps in a Master's knowledge when a Servant uses a Skill or Noble Phantasm, letting them figure out things like its rank, range, or type; under the condition that said Skill or NP is used in front of them. This also applies when they learn the Servant's name, or the name of their Noble Phantasm.

It's true what you said about Artoria though. Just because they know she has a Noble Phantasm called Excalibur, their Master's Clairvoyance won't give them an exact idea of what it does (giant sacred laser-beam) until it is actually activated.

 

[wdinatx]

He did not, unless you count random people's blood as the catalyst for summoning Bluebeard, which it is not.

Guess I misremembered.

 

[Jean Otus]

Hey everybody, I'm the new Archer class servant posted in the CS. I look forward to fighting you all.

 

[Xel]

Incorrect.

By default, every Master who participates in the Holy Grail War gains an ability called "Master's Clairvoyance," which lets them see the parameters of any Servant in their vision. This doesn't apply for non-magi like Ryunosuuke.

Master's Clairvoyance also fills out the gaps in a Master's knowledge when a Servant uses a Skill or Noble Phantasm, letting them figure out things like its rank, range, or type; under the condition that said Skill or NP is used in front of them. This also applies when they learn the Servant's name, or the name of their Noble Phantasm.

It's true what you said about Artoria though. Just because they know she has a Noble Phantasm called Excalibur, their Master's Clairvoyance won't give them an exact idea of what it does (giant sacred laser-beam) until it is actually activated.

We have first-hand evidence to prove that masters don't actually get any information. Nobody knew anything about Iskander's NP. They didn't know it's rank, range, type, or what conditions it requires. They knew none of that even though they knew Iskander's identity. The same applies for Saber, nobody knew anything about her NP. They didn't know it was anti-fortress, or what range it had, or anything.

So we know that Masters, and indeed servants, don't actually learn anything mechanically from knowing a servant's identity. Everything you mentioned is explicitly proven false by simply watching the shows.

So to put that in Roleplay terms. If you learn a servant's identity all that entitles you to see is their stats, which you could already see. Because nothing else is revealed to you. Learning the details of their abilities upon seeing them used is a different matter entirely, though.

 

[Birdsie]

We have first-hand evidence to prove that masters don't actually get any information. Nobody knew anything about Iskander's NP. They didn't know it's rank, range, type, or what conditions it requires. They knew none of that even though they knew Iskander's identity. The same applies for Saber, nobody knew anything about her NP. They didn't know it was anti-fortress, or what range it had, or anything.

To know what a NP does, you need the NP's name, not the Servant's.

 

[Xel]

To know what a NP does, you need the NP's name, not the Servant's.

That's my point. Learning a servant's identity doesn't actually give you any new information. To get new information you have to actually see them using their skills/NPs. You can know who it is, but that changes literally nothing for 99% of servants. You can know that Saber is King Arthur, but that doesn't tell you anything beyond they probably have a NP called excalibur, and that's it.

So TL: DR, unless the servant has some innate weakness like Achilles, learning their identity really doesn't have any practical impacts.

 

[Birdsie]

That's my point. Learning a servant's identity doesn't actually give you any new information. To get new information you have to actually see them using their skills/NPs. You can know who it is, but that changes literally nothing for 99% of servants. You can know that Saber is King Arthur, but that doesn't tell you anything beyond they probably have a NP called excalibur, and that's it.

So TL: DR, unless the servant has some innate weakness like Achilles, learning their identity really doesn't have any practical impacts.

Pretty sure a good part of the Skills are revealed upon learning a Servant's name, unless concealment bullshittery is involved. In any case, it doesn't really matter.

 

[Xel]

Pretty sure a good part of the Skills are revealed upon learning a Servant's name, unless concealment bullshittery is involved. In any case, it doesn't really matter.

Never does any servant or master know the skills of a servant upon learning their identity. At least I can't remember even one example of that happening. Indeed whenever they know the identity of a servant they're still surprised whenever said servant does anything, skill or NP. The difference is skills are a bit more straight forward so it's easier to guess. "Oh, the king of england has charisma, WHO'DA THOUGHT?" sorta shit. So it's more just that guesstimation rather than actually knowing because the grail told you.

 

[Birdsie]

Never does any servant or master know the skills of a servant upon learning their identity. At least I can't remember even one example of that happening. Indeed whenever they know the identity of a servant they're still surprised whenever said servant does anything, skill or NP. The difference is skills are a bit more straight forward so it's easier to guess. "Oh, the king of england has charisma, WHO'DA THOUGHT?" sorta shit. So it's more just that guesstimation rather than actually knowing because the grail told you.

*Shrug* It doesn't really matter, just drop it. We can agree to disagree or keep arguing back and forth like a bunch of lemons.

 

[wdinatx]

Hey everybody, I'm the new Archer class servant posted in the CS. I look forward to fighting you all.

Your character has too many archetypes for me to understand. Looking forward to observing you fight mongrels. Hey are you listening to me?!

 

[Xel]

*Shrug* It doesn't really matter, just drop it. We can agree to disagree or keep arguing back and forth like a bunch of lemons.

Not really arguing. Most people who enjoy Fate simply watch the anime, and the anime makes it explicitly clear that masters and servants don't learn anything from a servant's identity. So for the sake of simplicity we should adhere to the rules of the shows. So it's answering Idea's question, according to the anime you don't learn anything at all from learning a servant's identity (aside from the details of their mythos/legend, with which you can piece together some guesses as to what they can do).

 

[Jean Otus]

Your character has too many archetypes for me to understand. Looking forward to observing you fight mongrels. Hey are you listening to me?!

I'm an archer, I shoot things, I was a king when I was alive, now I'm bitter, but I'm fiercely loyal to my master. What's so hard to understand?

 

[wdinatx]

I'm an archer, I shoot things, I was a king when I was alive, now I'm bitter, but I'm fiercely loyal to my master. What's so hard to understand?

You missed vampire hunter, renaissance, “Lord of black powder”, and betrayal. It’s just so many variables to deal with.

 

[wdinatx]

Oh, and the crow/ring thing.

 

[Jean Otus]

You missed vampire hunter, renaissance, “Lord of black powder”, and betrayal. It’s just so many variables to deal with.

I had a rich life, my legend is more complex than the Adventures of Enkidu and Gil.

 

[Jean Otus]

I'll fight anyone, I'll fight myself, I'll kick my ass. Bring it.

 

[Birdsie]

more complex than Adventures of Enkidu and Gil.

 

[Jean Otus]

Only Golden I trust is Sakata Kintoki.

 

[Birdsie]

Only Golden I trust is Sakata Kintoki.

No one cares about trust when the king himself stands before you!

Oh, wait, I'm Giorno Giovanna now. I guess someone else took over the role of the narcissistic king.

 

[Jean Otus]

No one cares about trust when the king himself stands before you!

Oh, wait, I'm Giorno Giovanna now. I guess someone else took over the role of the narcissistic king.

You gotta be a Gangstar now, otherwise, you'll have the taste of a liar.

 

[Jean Otus]

So which one of you masters is gonna claim this Archer? You can all fight over me if you want.

 

[cojemo]

Jean Otus Make sure to specify you're Archer of Black though so the right Masters can pick your Servant if they want.

 

[Jean Otus]

Jean Otus Make sure to specify you're Archer of Black though so the right Masters can pick your Servant if they want.

I'm more of an independent contractor. I'll put in on when I'm summoned.