[Emperors of the Fading Suns] [Emperors of the Fading Suns] OOC Thread

Feantari said:
Either way you guys want to do it. But, there are pressing concerns that are keeping other people who would like to be involved in the Ankss stuff from being able to join you. For that reason maybe wait?
Argis still wants to go off and figure out what is up with the Bloom related rumors and recon the situation in Nexus and Lookshy. You guys would both be welcome and useful for that stuff. Plus we could set an awesome trap for Legion if we wanted to.
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I'm down with helping scout. Fangs needs to talk to Argis about some stuff anyway.
 
cyl said:
They do not eat them (at least I don't think they do), they just handle them like they would cattle (dumb, fed and parked) and sometimes they sacrifice one or two.
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Livestock need not be eaten.
 
CrazyIvan said:
So you won't obliterate them, you'll just mind wipe them?
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As Tyrion would say... "Death is so final. Whereas life, ah life is so full of possibilities."


Why destroy people when you can just rewrite them ?


I should note that Rhapsody already wields such powers.


She alone (well with most likely an escort) could change the whole situation within a few days.
 
Kacie said:
Sure, we can go scout with Argis, if he's not needed for the first 5 things on the list.
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Well, we can take care of the message to Zenjo pretty easily since the first lead we have for the rumors is also in Great Forks (or hopefully will be).
 
cyl said:
As Tyrion would say... "Death is so final. Whereas life, ah life is so full of possibilities."
Why destroy people when you can just rewrite them ?
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Because not being in control of your own mind, having your thoughts and desires changed at the whim of another is a form of slavery.


Beyond that, Fangs considers it as, if not more, monstrous an act than simply killing them. Because death is final. Life is so full of possibilities - and now those possibilities are shackled to the idle desires of a Solar.


Possibilities aren't a good thing to Fangs. They are at best morally neutral, and given Creation's capacity for cruelty, she has herself wished for a swift death more than once.
 
Well, we can take care of the message to Zenjo pretty easily since the first lead we have for the rumors is also in Great Forks (or hopefully will be).
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Believe it or not, I just thought of a way to turn bringing the horrible armed & armored Deathknight to Great Forks into a useful thing - if Zenjo doesn't believe that the Legion was capable of destroying his men and their lieutenant, Mirror can always give a combat demonstration.


She'll even attempt to not kill anyone.
 
Kacie said:
Feantari, is Argis's plan to go to Nathir first? Then to Great Forks and beyond?
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Nope, he's got no reason to go to Nathir. What Malek was asking IC was for Argis to send a message to her using wind carried words technique.
 
CrazyIvan said:
Because not being in control of your own mind, having your thoughts and desires changed at the whim of another is a form of slavery.
Beyond that, Fangs considers it as, if not more, monstrous an act than simply killing them. Because death is final. Life is so full of possibilities - and now those possibilities are shackled to the idle desires of a Solar.


Possibilities aren't a good thing to Fangs. They are at best morally neutral, and given Creation's capacity for cruelty, she has herself wished for a swift death more than once.
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No that is just existence.


You are not free to do/think/say whatever you like if someone with more strength than you tells you you can't, or you'll have to suffer the consequences of your trangressions and learn your place, whether that someone is a government, a tyrant, a thug or your own mother.


Most of the time it's the ugly side of people that is used to control them (in Creation). Fear, greed, lust, faith...


Making someone accept a taboo or a philosophy and speeding things up using charms is not slavery, it's change.


You just need to force something on the first generation and then they'll just pass it on to the next naturally.


Will the next generation be enslaved when you haven't touched them ?


No, they'll be the same as any other guy, just influenced by their background.


Now, obviously, the results highly depend on who's doing the talking and what type of change he is promoting (remember Rhapsody abusing her charms and making everyone fall in love ? :D ).


But if you destroy / kill... then there is no more room for anything.
 
cyl said:
Making someone accept a taboo or a philosophy and speeding things up using charms is not slavery, it's change.
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Its artificial change delivered by force (social charms are force), which is functionally no different.

You just need to force something on the first generation and then they'll just pass it on to the next naturally.
Will the next generation be enslaved when you haven't touched them ?


No, they'll be the same as any other guy, just influenced by their background.
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Having so utterly broken a society as to have your tinkering be heritable doesn't absolve you of much of anything.

Now, obviously, the results highly depend on who's doing the talking and what type of change he is promoting (remember Rhapsody abusing her charms and making everyone fall in love ? :D ).
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Just like the results of slavery depend very much on whose doing the slaving, and what they want. Being enslaved to Peleps Argis is much preferable to being enslaved to Cynis Kalden (see CF's sheet), but its still slavery.

But if you destroy / kill... then there is no more room for anything.
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Precisely. Have the mercy to met out your desires with swift finality, rather than a drawn out, lingering process that lets you assuage your conscience at the expense of another's free will.


But this is just Round N+1 of disagreeing on this.
 
Hey, folks, the IC stuff isn't supposed to be a big fight. I'm trying to set up Mirror being free to do scouting, and foreshadowing the future of whatever gets decided re: Ankss.


This would be a good time for Argis to jump in and suggest checking out those rumors of the culture-destroying fungus; Mirror can get on board with checking that out.
 
What if we just stick to the (g)old ways and have two duels: Fangs vs Malek, Mirror vs Rhapsody?
 
"Siham will tell Fangs that, by what he found in her Manse, Agatha wanted to conquer and settle the Underworld, possibly as her personal domain." Man, Fangs is going to have a field day with that bit of information.
 
Oh gods.. What's the IC equivalent of grabs popcorn?


I wish Argis had Flight of Separation. He could turn into a flock of cranes and get out of here before all crazy breaks loose.
 
I had a brief scene I need to do with Big K - otherwise, Fangs doesn't have any super-pressing need for a new thread. I've got the current thread Kacie and I have going to do, plus project posts >.<
 
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