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[Karcen]

HE IS NOT A RUBRIC AND HE NEVER WAS

 

[Ollieoftheveil]

HE IS NOT A RUBRIC AND HE NEVER WAS

That's not what I said. but the SORCERERS of the thousand sons were also affected by the rubric. it changed the entire legion, not just the dustboys. the sorcerers grew extra eyes on places like the palm of the hand or forehead as their psychic potential grew stronger and they lost their soul to tzeentch.

 

[Karcen]

yes but a rubric marine is specifically those turned to dust and not everyone woudl be happy about that maybe the guy knows he can't be redeemed his soul is already claimed that doesn't mean he goes around screaming ""BWAHAHAHA LOOK HOW EVILY EVIL I AM SO VERY EVIL "

 

[Karcen]

the character isn;t here for redemption he knows he can never have it but still he wants to help humanity as a whole or at least try

 

[Ollieoftheveil]

the character isn;t here for redemption he knows he can never have it but still he wants to help humanity as a whole or at least try

I know thousand sons very well. I never said that the sorcerers are dustboys. I'm merely saying that the rubric changed everyone. not just the rubric marines. but the sorcerers too. What I'm trying to say is that there is no chance a TS sorcerer, who witnessed the rubric spell would turn back to humanity. However if he wasn't present during the rubric and maybe missed the attack on prospero all together, that is more likely to keep to humanity. it has been theorized that blood ravens are descendants of TS.

 

[Karcen]

and i think one could turn back right after it unless your are sayign at that moment they lost all free will personality and all other attributes

 

[Ollieoftheveil]

and i think one could turn back right after it unless your are sayign at that moment they lost all free will personality and all other attributes

That's exactly what I'm saying. their free will and personality is an illusion created by tzeentch. would the honourable magnus -who fought Leman Russ without psychic abilities until he almost died- really stay a traitor? Ofcourse not. he called out for help only for a chance that him and his legion will live, and tzeentch answered. but from that moment onwards, Magnus lost his entire personality and it was replaced by an illusion.

 

[Karcen]

and i don't buy that i do not believe that they are all mindless robots pretending to be space marines

also in the new arihman books it shows magnus is shattered his soul scattered so yes the fragment that become that magnus did stay traitor.

 

[Ollieoftheveil]

However a TS psycher who is away or in stasis during the burning of prospero/rubric of Ahriman would definitely be loyal to the empire.

 

[Karcen]

them losing free will is your head cannon

 

[Ollieoftheveil]

and i don't buy that i do not believe that they are all mindless robots pretending to be space marines

also in the new arihman books it shows magnus is shattered his soul scattered so yes the fragment that become that magnus did stay traitor.

I am well aware of that Magnus shattered in pieces. I own both the Ahriman omnibus and burning of prospero omnibus.
I just think it's highly unlikely that a chaos sorcerer would turn loyal. a chaos sorcerer is also as corrupted as it gets. Sorcery and psychic powers are different.

 

[Karcen]

he left back when they coudl still be somewhat ignorant of the wrap its not like that stayed for 10,000 years learning the way of the warp he basically left before the heresy was truly over right after the rubric back before they truly knew the warp and it secrets back when the chaos gods were a mystery back when they didn't know.

 

[Ollieoftheveil]

a professional high ranking psycher suffer a risk of corruption every time they use their psychic powers. Someone who once start using sorcery will not turn back. because then they get more and more corrupted.

 

[Ollieoftheveil]

I don't mean to sound rude or anything, it's just my opinion

 

[Karcen]

and at this point it has been soundign very rude and very annoyign enough i have been thinking of leaving so let me havign him and please keep your opions to yourself

 

[Elekta Kount]

and at this point it has been soundign very rude and very annoyign enough i have been thinking of leaving so let me havign him and please keep your opions to yourself

Oi, oi, keep it friendly you two. Nothing wrong with discussion, and if people don't understand or have a wrong idea, discussion is a great way to teach and learn. But I would note it be best bringing some evidence to back what you say, makes your arguments stronger.
There's not many people that into 40k, least not for me in real life, much less the xenos or chaos factions, so let's not get to upset over this. Friendly, discussion afterall.

On that note, I've said this before, this rp is already throwing a few things out the window in terms of lore, our kill-squad is probably going to reach the size of two, sooooo...You can have your pysker, just so long as he A) Does not commit herasy. B) Does not impolde into a Chaos Spawn.

Personally, my marines will be treating him as a blackshield and pysker, not as a Thousand Sons, so keep that in mind.

 

[Karcen]

Personally, my marines will be treating him as a blackshield and pysker, not as a Thousand Sons, so keep that in mind.

good that is the point of coming as a black shield so no one even knows which chapter he used to belong to

 

[Elekta Kount]

good that is the point of coming as a black shield so no one even knows which chapter he used to belong to

Just keep his ability to reasonabley unherasy levels and we gud.

I mean, personally, the only two faction ive yet to get a grasp on is chaos and eldar, which id still like to learn.
Arch hasen't posted a lore video, but please, Karcen and Ollieoftheveil Why do either of you like the Thousand Sons.
I only like them cause one of them is lugging around a assault cannon.

 

[Karcen]

the thousand sons are a tragic legion they tried to do what they thought was right and prove what they did best could be useful but in doing so they damned themselves they are tragic figures because everything try try to do blows up in their faces and rarely is it completely their fault. unlike all the other chapters they only really embarrassed chaos at the very end when they were battered and broken when they felt they had been tossed aside and left to die with the wolves sent to kill them, they are victims turned into villains.

 

[Elekta Kount]

the thousand sons are a tragic legion they tried to do what they thought was right and prove what they did best could be useful but in doing so they damned themselves they are tragic figures because everything try try to do blows up in their faces and rarely is it completely their fault. unlike all the other chapters they only really embarrassed chaos at the very end when they were battered and broken when they felt they had been tossed aside and left to die with the wolves sent to kill them, they are victims turned into villains.

Abbadon the Armless comes to mind...honestly, I find him the one of the funniest character in all of 40k, right next to the orks.
But basically, it #Magnusdidnothingwrong, the legion? Right?

 

[Karcen]

kind of they in time have grown distant and have embarrassed chaos and all its spikeyness it that they started good and noble and tried to do good only to have everything damn them

 

[Elekta Kount]

kind of they in time have grown distant and have embarrassed chaos and all its spikeyness it that they started good and noble and tried to do good only to have everything damn them

It's GW and how they are spinning in their heels so fast it could power an entire Hive City.

This is why I liked Warhammer Fantasy better, THERE IS ACTUALLY A CREDIBLE THREAT IN CHAOS!

 

[Ollieoftheveil]

Just keep his ability to reasonabley unherasy levels and we gud.

I love thousand sons because they are the only "traitor"legion that wasn't really betraying anyone. they were loyal up until the moment the rubric was cast. and that's why the fall of that chapter is more tragic than actual betrayal like the prick horus and the whiny primarch of the word bearers. and he wasn't raging at everyone around him like angron. he wasn't the perverted perfectionist that was Fulgrim. He was the most human primarch of all, alongside Konrad Curze. they didn't want to be bad, it was a mistake that lead to another mistake. Konrad only wanted to punish criminals to keep everyone safe in his kingdom. same with Magnus, they had a eutopia and only sought knowledge. if Magnus wouldn't have warned the emperor in the first place, the wolf's wouldn't have attacked him and then he'd still be a loyal nuclear bomb of psychic energy for the imperial to use. instead of a degenerated reflection of what he once was.

 

[Karcen]

I love thousand sons because they are the only "traitor"legion that wasn't really betraying anyone. they were loyal up until the moment the rubric was cast. and that's why the fall of that chapter is more tragic than actual betrayal like the prick horus and the whiny primarch of the word bearers. and he wasn't raging at everyone around him like angron. he wasn't the perverted perfectionist that was Fulgrim. He was the most human primarch of all, alongside Konrad Curze. they didn't want to be bad, it was a mistake that lead to another mistake. Konrad only wanted to punish criminals to keep everyone safe in his kingdom. same with Magnus, they had a eutopia and only sought knowledge. if Magnus wouldn't have warned the emperor in the first place, the wolf's wouldn't have attacked him and then he'd still be a loyal nuclear bomb of psychic energy for the imperial to use. instead of a degenerated reflection of what he once was.

honestly i say they were loyal until the wolves came in to me thats when most decided fuck the imperium revenge

 

[Ollieoftheveil]

have you guys heard about the prophesy about the end times?