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Not to mention the Green Sun Child Knack (I think it's a Knack) that lets Lunars take the heartsblood of Demons  :twisted:

The Sword, not the Cup, protects the Heart...

Yeah, rereading the fae book, lunars aren't immune to being shaped against, just shaping attacks that would alter their forms, that's all.

Dematerialize is in the Player's Guide and I believe they note that it now Superceeds the description of Materialize.

Um I feel ever so stupid doing this...but could someone explain the OWoD Swar reference to me?  :oops:

1. Yes 2. No. We've always run it like so: during those hours given by a successfull roll they were immune to effects of the curse, and after that no worries until the next night as the rules say "First struck by moonlight". What I'm trying to say is they don't suffer a break at the end of the...

Anyways, I still want to know what people think about the two different options I put forward regarding a graceless creation-born spending willpower to resist such things as the condition ravishment causes or the task a burden places on you: Option 1: Substitute the appropriate virtue when...

No, it's Gaia with Luna in boytoy form sitting in her lap.

Thank you. Not my art or anything but I fiddled with it in a photo editing  program to resize and recolor it.

Glad to be of assistance.

I dunno, probably not. As damaging a grace is said to be comperable to mutilation. They'd be subject to the condition until having their grace repaired though (through the use of one of those nifty Consumes Spell/Artifact/Oath/Behemoth of grace level charms).

And yet you still aren't on the same page as I am. I'm not talking about a mortal resisting a shaping attack. The shaping attack is done. The mortal is ravished etc. So He's down a dot of...hm... compassion. "Well, mortal. You just can't stand your mother anymore. She's a total hag, blah blah...

We're not talking about shaping combat. Give me a bit and I'll post relavant text. Edit: Okay on Ravishment. "RAVISHING CREATURES OF CREATION Creatures without a Cup Grace are still vulnerable to ravishment. However, they do not have a Cup damage track. Instead of marking off damage...

Rebecca said so. It's somewhere on the exalted wiki. Birth gives them charms which they can use regardless of prerequisites.

Here's a deliciously evil idea I just thought up...if the creation-born has no grace...they can spend no willpower. Therefore, totally impossible for them to actively participate. I think it's fairly in line with raksha making people puppets.

It would cost 3 because you're still affecting others with it. Just like the "love me" example of Undetectable Lie as a mutation.

If you read the section on the unshaped, I think it says something along the lines of "Unshaped can form temporary bodies blah blah blah, but they whither in the Wyld as shaped wither in Creation." Give me a few to look up stuff. Edit: Here we go. Doing a lovely wordsearch for "wither"...

Because they don't. Without a pennant at minimum they loose a mote a day unless they feed or stay in a demesne/freehold. A cyst negates withering and you can gain essence. A pennant just negates withering.

I would presume for creation-born, when it comes to them spending willpower to work against a ravishing, Cup=Compassion. etc.