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@Saccharine Cyanide, well I'm certainly not going to argue with Stephen Hawking and expect to win, but what I lack in knowledge I make up for in bluster and volume so here goes. I must say I like that idea, and it's certainly not one I have heard or have thought of before, but again surely that's just to say that the cause is just outside our limited capacity to understand it.


Wasn't it Hawking himself to proposed that the universe is heading towards a big crunch, that the expansion which at one time seemed endless is slowing as the forces of "gravity" begin to overcome those that came from the creation of the universe (whether you call it god or the big bang, or believe they are one and the same) that sent matter spewing off into the endless vacuum?


Now, we will never know if this is true, any more than we'll get definitive answers to the many questions of god (at least not in any of our lifetimes) but his thinking was that when the universe is pulled back into proximity by those forces the pressure and temperatures will be so great as to cause the next big bang, ending time as we know it and starting a new frame of reference for people to argue about millions of years from now and RpN2.01000000. Who's to say that this isn't a cycle of cause and effect that has happened many times and will happen many more on a timescale that simply is beyond our comprehension?


Oh, and Charleen (tagging not working now for some reason) I'll worship in the flying spaghetti monster before I give up meat. :P





 



I actually went and found the documentary where Stephen Hawking describes all that stuff, so you don't have to take my word for it. : P


Hm, I don't actually know. I do know that time isn't infinite, and one day it will stop and everything will cease to exist. I guess there are a lot of theories about how the end of the universe might happen, but it's pretty agreed upon that time will no longer exist, just like it doesn't in a black hole.


My rebuttal is that if the Big Bang was caused by the death of another universe, what about the Big Bang in that universe? And before that? It would have to go back infinitesimally, and that still doesn't really leave any room for the existence of God.


Personally, I kind of hope that God doesn't exist. It's not out of hatred or pessimism or anything like that. I just don't want there to be a higher power that determines my meaning in life. I want to find my own, subjective meaning without worrying about some bigger plan that a god has set out for me. I'm happy to assume that this is my only life to live, too, because it makes every second so much more meaningful and precious.
 
You sound agnostic.





 



I know I do, lol. I do believe in God and the Trinity though. I'm just very skeptical and will never argue that anything metaphysical is ever irrefutably provable and explicable. Anecdotal/empirical evidence only gets you so far.
 
I know I do, lol. I do believe in God and the Trinity though. I'm just very skeptical and will never argue that anything metaphysical is ever irrefutably provable and explicable. Anecdotal/empirical evidence only gets you so far.



You sound like an agnostic theist, then.
 
@Sarai


One of my friends once said that modern Christianity is 'filtered' with traces commonly associated with paganism, and doesn't stay true to the original; would that be true? 

The Catholic Church did actually take symbols from paganism.  Now before I loose you, let me explain!  Each time we too one we were using it to bring those who practiced paganism into the Christan Faith.  Again, before I loose you let me finish.  lol


One instance that is commonly pounted at is the Christmas tree.  This was taken from the pagans who celebrated the evergreen tree around the same time we celebrated Christmas.  Saint Boniface is famus for going into a pagnan community, converting them and chooping down their evergreen on the day they would have worshipped it.  


The Church has grown and when something grows you don't expect it to look exactly the same.  We've adopted new traditions which Saints have brought about to us, but nothing has actually changed.  
 
I don't really believe in anything. If there is a higher power, I don't really care about it, per say. I've never been religious sort and I've never really needed it. It sounds like a fascinating subject at most... like mythology, for example, but that's just my view on it
 
I'm actually quite surprised how civil this thread is.


I was not expecting this.  I made a religious thread quite a while ago, and that turned into a disaster really quickly.  Got to 1 1/2 pages, and had to have a moderator lock it.  And that is generally why I avoid threads on religion.  It just turns into a bloody flame war.  


I hope i didn't just jinx anything.  ._.
 
Once atheist - now unwilling nihilist


Never been religious and neither atheism and nihilism are that religious in the same sense as Christianity or Buddhism.


Although being an unwilling nihilist doesn't really have anything for them except the ever-looming presence of death and existentialism.
 
I don't really believe in anything. If there is a higher power, I don't really care about it, per say. I've never been religious sort and I've never really needed it. It sounds like a fascinating subject at most... like mythology, for example, but that's just my view on it



You sound like an ignostic.
 
similar, but not really. I don't think people assume too much, honestly, I have absolutely no opinion in the matter... is there any kind of neutral stance? xD



You'd probably still qualify as atheist. Theist is someone with belief, atheist literally means without belief. It's the same as asexual, asymmetry, amoral, etc
 
You'd probably still qualify as atheist. Theist is someone with belief, atheist literally means without belief. It's the same as asexual, asymmetry, amoral, etc



Atheism doesn't encompass agnosticism or ignosticism or anything like that. That's butchering the definition.

similar, but not really. I don't think people assume too much, honestly, I have absolutely no opinion in the matter... is there any kind of neutral stance? xD



You kind of sound like an agnostic/ignostic overlap too.
 
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Atheism doesn't encompass agnosticism or ignosticism or anything like that. That's butchering the definition.



I didn't say atheism covered agnosticism or ignosticism (have never heard if the latter). Atheists don't believe, agnostics have beliefs but are undecided as to what they are since they usually don't fully mesh with any recognised religion.


There was a time where I would have classed myself agnostic since I wanted to believe there was a plan, a creator, cosmic punishment for evil but I came to realise wishing for those things don't make them real any more than wishing I could do magic or be Batman.


If you have a wish it should always be to be Batman.
 
I'm gonna sound like an ass for saying this, but I'm going to say this anyways. 


I know for a fact there is no one above me. That's because I believe I am God. I'm Godkin. It's both a personal identification for me, and a representation of my own religious beliefs. 


Let me clarify: I'm not omnipotent or omniscient or all that. If you were to take God and all concepts related, and force it all into a mortal body so that it all fit within the physical limits of a human, then that would be me. Minus all possible memories, minus all possible powers. When I die, I will return to my rightful place. 


I don't believe this is a standard religion, so it's my own personal beliefs.
 
I'm gonna sound like an ass for saying this, but I'm going to say this anyways. 


I know for a fact there is no one above me. That's because I believe I am God. I'm Godkin. It's both a personal identification for me, and a representation of my own religious beliefs. 


Let me clarify: I'm not omnipotent or omniscient or all that. If you were to take God and all concepts related, and force it all into a mortal body so that it all fit within the physical limits of a human, then that would be me. Minus all possible memories, minus all possible powers. When I die, I will return to my rightful place. 


I don't believe this is a standard religion, so it's my own personal beliefs.



The first lie that Satan ever uttered to humans was when he was at the Garden of Eden with Eve. He told Eve that once you eat of the fruit of the tree of good and evil, you will be like God.


I'm gonna sound like an ass for saying this, but I think you're deluded thanks to Satan.
 
I think we may have just reached the tipping point. I don't see this conversation going anywhere besides down, but if I can just get one more question in before the inevitable, if you believe you're god/godkin what are you doing on an RP forum? Surely you have something better to be doing?


Or perhaps you're telling the truth and we've just found out how the world ended up with either Donald Trump or Hilary Clinton in line for president. Kinda took your eye off the ball there...
 
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The first lie that Satan ever uttered to humans was when he was at the Garden of Eden with Eve. He told Eve that once you eat of the fruit of the tree of good and evil, you will be like God.


I'm gonna sound like an ass for saying this, but I think you're deluded thanks to Satan.

Cool! Thanks for the input! 

I think we may have just reached the tipping point. I don't see this conversation going anywhere besides down, but if I can just get one more question in before the inevitable, if you believe you're god/godkin what are you doing on an RP forum? Surely you have something better to be doing?


Or perhaps you're telling the truth and we've just found out how the world ended up with either Donald Trump or Hilary Clinton in line for president. Kinda took your eye off the ball there...



I can't do anything of importance until after I die. I'm assuming this life was supposed to be like a vacation, but really I'm sort of left in the dark on my own reasoning, hence the whole "no memories" bit. Maybe I'm suppose to do something? Maybe I'm not? Still in the process of figuring it out. 


Haha, I suppose you could say this was a rather ill-timed vacation. So this would be like taking one's eye off the ball and the proceeding to get smacked in the face with it. ^.^

Ok, I'll bite. If you remove omniscient and omnipotence what remains? What makes you any different?



When I die, I'll return to being God. The rest of you get to go to wherever you're going to go afterwards, but not me. 
 
You are free to choose to believe anything you want. But you are not free from the confines of the truth.



Ditto. But who's to say your truth is the real truth? You're free to believe in your truth if you want, but there's no guarantees. Heck, all of us could be wrong for all we know. Who's to say whatever you believe is what is true? Who's to say we are aren't all in our own little worlds, and none of this is real? Is that really a computer/phone/tablet you're using, or your mind playing a trick on you? Who's to say we're not all living in "The Matrix"? It is a mystery.
 
Ditto. But who's to say your truth is the real truth? You're free to believe in your truth if you want, but there's no guarantees. Heck, all of us could be wrong for all we know. Who's to say whatever you believe is what is true? Who's to say we are aren't all in our own little worlds, and none of this is real? Is that really a computer/phone/tablet you're using, or your mind playing a trick on you? Who's to say we're not all living in "The Matrix"? It is a mystery.



It's not a mystery if you read the Bible.
 

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