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After Vadican II there was a lot of confusion among the laity and some of the clergy.  Few people were reading the documents that came out of Vadican II themselves because they were mostly in the high minded Church language.  It was the job of the clergy and Catechetis to read and translate that high language for the laity.  Sadly, that didn't happen and everyone was confused.  The worst of the damages was when they stopped teaching the Faith with that same conviction they once did to the youth and new converts.  If this had not happened I bet a lot more people would be saying they are Catholic on this thread, and meaning it.  Because now we are three or four generations removed from Vadican II and the damage has only gotten worse with each generation.  You can't teach what you don't know....  It's really sad.  but that is the reason why my school offers my major.  We're trying to put good Catechetis out there again. :)  What I'm saying is, there are more of me.  

Glad to hear. :)  Personally, I am still in highschool, but ,my colleage does teach religion to everyone with passion. I´ve taken with great admiration a certain priest we have here too, the smartest person I know and his arguments for the defense of the faith and general knowledge about it and so many other things...It´s almost overwhelming xD  .


Thanks for the follow by the way!
 
Atheist here. I'm interested in learning about religions - the history, literature, and such - but I'm very much not religious.

Atheist. I hadn't heard of Misotheism before but I wouldn't say I could bring myself to care enough to hate something I don't believe in, any more than the villain of a story outside of the context of that story. I looked up the Kalam cosmological argument, which according to Wikipedia (not the most reliable source of information so feel free to correct it) goes as follows:

  1. Whatever begins to exist has a cause;
  2. The universe began to exist;

    Therefore:

  3. The universe has a cause.

  4. If the universe has a cause, then an uncaused, personal Creator of the universe exists, who sans the universe is beginningless, changeless, immaterial, timeless, spaceless and enormously powerful;


    Therefore:

  5. An uncaused, personal Creator of the universe exists, who sans the universe is beginningless, changeless, immaterial, timeless, spaceless and enormously powerful.

I'm with it up as far as 3, but from there it makes too many logical leaps for me to reconcile, confusing uncaused with unknown or even unknowable cause (just because we don't know the cause doesn't make it uncaused, and if you accept there may be a cause, you have to accept that it might one day be understood). It also might be that the whole thing is condensed by wiki, but why would a creator (if it did exist) need be personal or enormously powerful?


But more interestingly, how can anyone be part vegan?





 



Stephen Hawking has talked before about how the Big Bang could actually have been "causeless." In order for cause and effect to exist, time has to exist. You can't have two points on a timeline without actually having the timeline, right? The Big Bang propelled time into existence. We can measure the "ripples" of the Big Bang and determine just how old the universe is, so it's obvious that time started there and did not exist before the Big Bang. Therefore, cause and effect did not play any part in the beginning of the universe, though I think that may be a little too abstract for human minds to comprehend, sort of like trying to visualize a fifth dimension.
 
Glad to hear. :)  Personally, I am still in highschool, but ,my colleage does teach religion to everyone with passion. I´ve taken with great admiration a certain priest we have here too, the smartest person I know and his arguments for the defense of the faith and general knowledge about it and so many other things...It´s almost overwhelming xD  .


Thanks for the follow by the way!

I'm glad to hear that.  If your interested you should check out the professors from Franciscan University.  Meany of them are well known Theologians for the Catholic Faith.  Our most famous one is Scott Hahn.  He has a vary interesting conversation story and teaches with a grate deal of passion.  We also have Chris Paggit (who's a little more of a Catholic comedian, to be honest!) annnd Matt Fradd isn't a professor but a graduate of my school and he's the Theology of the Body guy.  


If your still in high school and want to learn about your Faith, this is the BEST school to go to in the US.  I might be a tad biased, but you should give it a little look see, at lest online. ;)  You wont be sorry, promise.


^^ I don't find meany Catholics on here, when I do I follow them.  Sometimes I think it'd be interesting to make a RP group just for good Catholics. :P  
 
Unfortunately, I don't think that'll happen. If I go study abroad I'm most likely heading for the U.K. Thanks for the invitation though and I'll definitely investigate to say the least!
 
@Sarai


One of my friends once said that modern Christianity is 'filtered' with traces commonly associated with paganism, and doesn't stay true to the original; would that be true? 
 
I used to think I was simply Christian, until I realized how many denominations there are. 


Now I know that I've been raised Methodist. :D


My church has a looooooot of cake
 
I used to think I was simply Christian, until I realized how many denominations there are. 


Now I know that I've been raised Methodist. :D


My church has a looooooot of cake



LOL! I can relate to that!


I went to an Assemblies of God church a few times and they always had donuts and coffee.
 
@Sarai


One of my friends once said that modern Christianity is 'filtered' with traces commonly associated with paganism, and doesn't stay true to the original; would that be true? 



Many people say that the Bible is a copy of past pagan gods. And also, Christian philosophers of the middle ages such as Augustine and Aquinas copied some of their ideas from Plato and Socrates. Their doctrine had been adopted by both Catholic and Protestants.


That's all I know about the subject.
 
I personally stand by the phrase that you can "neither prove nor disprove" the existence of a god. However, I am very open minded to most religions, and certainly don't mind learning about them as long as the person I'm talking with can handle all my questions.
 
This sounds more like the work of LSD, than God..



Believe what you want. I am not a drug addict. I simply told everyone what I experienced.

I personally stand by the phrase that you can "neither prove nor disprove" the existence of a god. However, I am very open minded to most religions, and certainly don't mind learning about them as long as the person I'm talking with can handle all my questions.



Ask me then. lol. I wanna convert people to Christianity.
 
I proudly believe Pastafarianism,


I have been touched by his noodley appendage  :P
 
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@Saccharine Cyanide, well I'm certainly not going to argue with Stephen Hawking and expect to win, but what I lack in knowledge I make up for in bluster and volume so here goes. I must say I like that idea, and it's certainly not one I have heard or have thought of before, but again surely that's just to say that the cause is just outside our limited capacity to understand it.


Wasn't it Hawking himself to proposed that the universe is heading towards a big crunch, that the expansion which at one time seemed endless is slowing as the forces of "gravity" begin to overcome those that came from the creation of the universe (whether you call it god or the big bang, or believe they are one and the same) that sent matter spewing off into the endless vacuum?


Now, we will never know if this is true, any more than we'll get definitive answers to the many questions of god (at least not in any of our lifetimes) but his thinking was that when the universe is pulled back into proximity by those forces the pressure and temperatures will be so great as to cause the next big bang, ending time as we know it and starting a new frame of reference for people to argue about millions of years from now and RpN2.01000000. Who's to say that this isn't a cycle of cause and effect that has happened many times and will happen many more on a timescale that simply is beyond our comprehension?


Oh, and Charleen (tagging not working now for some reason) I'll worship in the flying spaghetti monster before I give up meat. :P
 
I am Orthodox. I always question the tenets of my religion and the moral structure of it (as well as other things). I try not to blindly follow any dogma (social or spiritual or philosophical) too closely without being weary of nonsensical paradigms.
 
Wow, almost everyone here is some form of Christian....
It kind of makes me feel lonely, haha.
 
I am Orthodox. I always question the tenets of my religion and the moral structure of it (as well as other things). I try not to blindly follow any dogma (social or spiritual or philosophical) too closely without being weary of nonsensical paradigms.



You sound agnostic.
 
Loaded question for me. I'm just a skeptic through and through. Whether I end up just a bag or bones or burning in some sort of purgatory or hell. Well that's up to whatever fate has in store for me.
 

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