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Trans people are just as smart and fit for modern society as cis people, and are on the same mental footing as everyone else.

I don't believe so. There's a reason suicide and depression are extremely more common among trans people. That's why I believe that gender dysphoria is a legitimate problem. There is a cure though, which is pretty much just allowing them to transition. At any rate, I'm of the opinion that once a transgender person has fully transitioned to whatever gender they identify with, then they're no longer trans. They're just whatever gender that is.

...again, you're misreading. it's natural but not 'normal'. after all, two guys can't have kids. oh sure, they can raise 'em, but they can't biologically have kids, so it's not 'normal'

Should we be trying to find a cure to menopause then because not being able to have kids isn't normal? Or when straight people say that they don't want to have kids -- should we say that their attitude is a disorder because they don't want to procreate?

 

[BloodredAi]

Menopause is a natural, biological result of age. it is 'normal'. Straight people saying they don't want to have kids is psychological, and as such is so widely varied that 'normal' is a nebulous concept unless you're in a dystopia or some such. two guys making a baby isn't natural, although there's nothing stopping them from adopting one and raising that.

 

[Rachael of the Shire]

I don't believe so. There's a reason suicide and depression are extremely more common among trans people. That's why I believe that gender dysphoria is a legitimate problem. There is a cure though, which is pretty much just allowing them to transition. At any rate, I'm of the opinion that once a transgender person has fully transitioned to whatever gender they identify with, then they're no longer trans. They're just whatever gender that is.



Should we be trying to find a cure to menopause then because not being able to have kids isn't normal? Or when straight people say that they don't want to have kids -- should we say that their attitude is a disorder because they don't want to procreate?

Your point of view is interesting.

All people should be accepted as the gender they identify as.

 

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Menopause is a natural, biological result of age. it is 'normal'. Straight people saying they don't want to have kids is psychological, and as such is so widely varied that 'normal' is a nebulous concept unless you're in a dystopia or some such. two guys making a baby isn't natural, although there's nothing stopping them from adopting one and raising that.

And I can tell you that homosexuality is a natural, biological result of an interplay between genes, hormones (during pregnancy), and environmental influences. Besides, I can also argue that sexual preferences are also psychological in a sense. Gay people are still perfectly, naturally capable of having kids if they want to (and lots of them do) -- they just typically don't because they're not attracted to the opposite sex. So if straight people who don't want to have kids get a pass, gay people should, too.

 

[BloodredAi]

Ah, but they aren't naturally capable of having kids with each other. Hence, even though homosexuality IS natural, it's not 'normal'.

Also, if you care to re-read carefully and notice, i was never debating whether it was natural or not, since homosexuality is natural. just whether it's normal or not.

 

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Ah, but they aren't naturally capable of having kids with each other. Hence, even though homosexuality IS natural, it's not 'normal'.

Also, if you care to re-read carefully and notice, i was never debating whether it was natural or not, since homosexuality is natural. just whether it's normal or not.

But then you're talking about homosexual relationships, and saying nothing about the individual. Mental disorders should pertain to something about the individual.

 

[BloodredAi]

Relationships fall under psychology, as far as i'm concerned for this. as mentioned earlier, 'normal' is nebulous to psychology.

the reason i'm saying it's not 'normal' is because without the disorder, we wouldn't even have to consider the relationship aspect. two straight, same-sex people, for example, nobody would give a shit about whether they're capable of causing eachother to get pregnant, because there'd be no homosexual relationship.

 

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Relationships fall under psychology, as far as i'm concerned for this. as mentioned earlier, 'normal' is nebulous to psychology.

the reason i'm saying it's not 'normal' is because without the disorder, we wouldn't even have to consider the relationship aspect. two straight, same-sex people, for example, nobody would give a shit about whether they're capable of causing eachother to get pregnant, because there'd be no homosexual relationship.

Well, maybe that's just you. I personally don't look at two people, and instantly think about the intricacies of procreation. I mean, I guess if they're hot, why not I believe we've advanced to the point where making babies isn't the only way we can truly contribute to society. That's a pretty simplistic perspective.

Gay people are perfectly capable of everyday functioning without assistance. Compare this to (non-high functioning) ASD people who actually do need constant behavioural intervention because they otherwise have a very hard time interacting with other people. That's why I believe one is a legitimate disorder, and the other is not.

 

[Rachael of the Shire]

The value of a relationship is not dependent on the number of offspring produced.

*Peeks up head from hobbit hole*

It would appear that there is a heated debate going on up there. Better stay down until it blows over.

 

[The Golden General]

Oh boy, controversial opinion incoming...

Design of characters in any kind of fiction do not matter. I don't care if a character looks similar to another character, I don't care if it looks ugly, I am just fed up with people judging books by their covers and saying they are bad. Just wait until they actually take the stage and it might surprise you.

 

[Chimney Swift]

(Note: these aren't necessarily globally unpopular, just unpopolar among my community and peers)

1: 13 Reasons Why is a bad show and Hannah Baker is an unsympathetic and selfish cabbagehead.

2: Celine Dion is not that good.

3: Rent and Legally Blonde are the 2 worst mysicals to ever disgrace Broadway.

4: Most "centrists" and neo conservatives are just angry hateful little Ayn Rands who learned all their life lessons from bullying kids in middle school. Really, how hard is it to respect people's pronouns and coexist?

5: I will have no sympathy for the super-rich until they stop letting people starve.

6: I'll care about fetuses when conservatives start caring about babies and children.

7: Yellow is the ugliest color.

 

[Rachael of the Shire]

There was only one opinion that made me want to say something -

I am a person who is pro-life and would happily adopt a child given the opportunity. Heck, if I knew a young woman who was expecting a baby she couldn't care for, I may not be in the best economic position, but I would do everything in my power to help and make sure the child was happy, cared for, and had another friend in her life. Not all pro-life people are assholes.

Though I have to admit, most conservatives aren't the most keen on how they're going to feed and care for the young children who are now crying for food from moms who don't care. I was an unwanted child and am now on welfare. after a less than nice childhood. It's not the best thing that could have happened, but I never regretted being born.

 

[Hall Kervean]

Your point of view is interesting.

All people should be accepted as the gender they identify as.

ACCEPT ME

But legitimately.
sh.
Responding to unpopular opinions is what tanks threads like these.

I have much disgust for much of liberalism, including some the LGBTQIA+ community and abortion, but I know that sharing that will tank threads and hurt people. So I won't share any specific opinions on them.

 

[Foolish Ghoul]

I don't believe so. There's a reason suicide and depression are extremely more common among trans people.

There are studies that suggest this is because of increased bullying and harassment directed towards trans people.

 

[The Gunrunner]

It is developed throughout life rather than being genetic, however, in the end it IS still a few atypical chemicals here and there. the reason science can't remove your attraction to girls is because the controversy around LGBT means that they're not actually allowed to research the subject further, if anyone would be willing to fund it anyways. I do feel i should mention that many years ago they did actually develop working 'gay bombs' for use in chemical warfare... before chemical warfare got generally banned, anyways. i don't remember them actually being practical to mass produce or anything, but they DID exist and they DID function quite well.

To be perfectly honest? i'm just going on hearsay and cursory google searches. my scientific interests lie in other fields, so it's nothing i've bothered researching past my own common sense. on just a common sense basis, though, there's no real reason why they can't cure things like Gender Dysphoria and whatnot if they can cure other mental disorders. the only thing really getting in the way is media sensationalism. although that also being said... the only thing causing LGBT to really be a problem IS media sensationalism, so if people would stop milking the subject we probably wouldn't need a 'cure'.

Oh dear... Well: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3101504/
And as for the... well, conspiracy theories - "The Nomenclature Committee, APA’s scientific body addressing this issue also wrestled with the question of what constitutes a mental disorder. Robert Spitzer, who chaired a subcommittee looking into the issue, “reviewed the characteristics of the various mental disorders and concluded that, with the exception of homosexuality and perhaps some of the other ‘sexual deviations’, they all regularly caused subjective distress or were associated with generalized impairment in social effectiveness of functioning”"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4695779/

As for it not being genetic, well...
"There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles; most people experience little or no sense of choice about their sexual orientation."
http://www.apa.org/topics/lgbt/orientation.aspx ("What causes a person to have a particular sexual orientation.") They aren't sure, but there are biological differences between straight and gay people:
http://www.latimes.com/science/scie...osexuality-nature-nurture-20151007-story.html
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/study-says-brains-of-gay/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation
So one shouldn't disregard the biological possibility.

Then for the research, science is actually ongoing on studying non-heterosexual orientations. As for cures, no. Not academically, but that's because it's not considered a mental disorder. There is no inherent issue in it any more than there is an inherent issue with left-handedness. You may bring up the fact they won't reproduce, and sure - But there's many straight people who won't do that either, and that still doesn't define a mental disorder. Granted, an exact definition is hard to agree on - What should be considered a disorder, after all. However, you weren't arguing for an alternative definition.

They never developed /working/ gay bombs btw. It was theorized but never produced (though theories themselves were shaky.) Funny enough, they also theorized a farting bomb, bad breath bomb, and heavy sweating bomb. Keep in mind that even in theory the gay bomb didn't turn you gay; it was exposure to pheromones believed to cause attraction to your comrades for as long as you were exposed to them.



Gender disphoria can undoubtedly be caused by social effects, but whether or not they can also be biological is another question; if they are biological, why don't all trans people experience it? Just as an example.
Not all disorders function the same way; there are biological disorders, like clinical (?) depression and schizophrenia, which can be treated with pills. However, then there's non-biological disorders like PTSD, which have to be treated with counseling and therapy. And those treatments don't always work - Not all humans are the same. Some kill themselves despite treatment, some get better, some merely tolerate their existence, etc. So no, the fact that there are treatments and some disorders can be cured does not mean all of them are easy. The socially caused disorders is my point with the above on gender disphoria; treatment is done through therapy, hormone therapy, or a surgical sex change. It is the cure for gender disphoria today, and thusfar the best treatment that exists for their mental health.
Finally, as for LGBT only being a problem because of media sensationalism, I don't know what you mean by that and therefore obviously can't respond to it.
You really shouldn't form opinions, especially things that encourage changes in policy and science, on those basis though ("those" being hearsay and cursorry glances.) I'm sure I have done the same thing, but I don't argue for those opinions until I've at least looked into it a little. Not trying to shit on you, just hoping to curb a behaviour that I used to have, as it took me a long time of fucking up to kick it off. Or, well, I hope I've kicked it off.

 

[Chimney Swift]

There was only one opinion that made me want to say something -

I am a person who is pro-life and would happily adopt a child given the opportunity. Heck, if I knew a young woman who was expecting a baby she couldn't care for, I may not be in the best economic position, but I would do everything in my power to help and make sure the child was happy, cared for, and had another friend in her life. Not all pro-life people are assholes.

Though I have to admit, most conservatives aren't the most keen on how they're going to feed and care for the young children who are now crying for food from moms who don't care. I was an unwanted child and am now on welfare. after a less than nice childhood. It's not the best thing that could have happened, but I never regretted being born.

I actually really respect that opinion. I don't share it, but I'm glad to know that at least some pro-life people actually care about kids.

 

[Windsock]

Human suffering makes for strong societies.

(sith intensifies)

 

[Chimney Swift]

Unpopular in some circles, but SJWs need to stop defending and making excuses for Islam all the fucking time. I don't hate Muslims, but it's ignorant to deny the many problems that exist within Islam. On tumblr, for instance... when there are conversations about gay purges in Chechnya, idiots are so quick to cry about any "Islamophobia" that takes place in these convos, but then are silent about the gay men being killed in the name of Islam...

I guarantee that NONE of us in the LGBT+ community are silent about the murders in Chechnya.
But really, violent religious extremism is not unique to Islam. The idea that all extremists are Muslim creates an opportunity for racist and islamophobic people to oppress innocent people.
All religions are worthy of respect, but none are free from violent extremists.

 

[Foolish Ghoul]

Unpopular Opinion:
Organized religion can suck a phat bag of dicks.

 

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ACCEPT ME
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But legitimately.
sh.
Responding to unpopular opinions is what tanks threads like these.

I have much disgust for much of liberalism, including some the LGBTQIA+ community and abortion, but I know that sharing that will tank threads and hurt people. So I won't share any specific opinions on them.

This is a forum though, not a one way blog article or blog post. Controversial opinions are going to invite discussion. Misinformed opinions even more so (this goes for all political views). That's a good thing, though. Not saying anything at all is just as potentially harmful as it allows people to remain in their echo chambers. This coming from someone who doesn't entirely agree with a lot of, let's say, 'social movements' nowadays.

There are studies that suggest this is because of increased bullying and harassment directed towards trans people.

Absolutely possible, glad you brought that up! I guess what I was trying to get at is that the distress that comes with gender dysphoria does not just come from external sources. It's also internal (i.e., stress from dissonance between the individual's self-concept and their physical body), which is also why it's more appropriate to be labelled a disorder, than, say, homosexuality. Am admittedly not an expert on the subject, but would be really cool to see if there's a significant difference between depression/suicide rates among bullied trans people and bullied homosexuals.

Oh dear... Well: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3101504/
And as for the... well, conspiracy theories - "The Nomenclature Committee, APA’s scientific body addressing this issue also wrestled with the question of what constitutes a mental disorder. Robert Spitzer, who chaired a subcommittee looking into the issue, “reviewed the characteristics of the various mental disorders and concluded that, with the exception of homosexuality and perhaps some of the other ‘sexual deviations’, they all regularly caused subjective distress or were associated with generalized impairment in social effectiveness of functioning”"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4695779/

As for it not being genetic, well...
"There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles; most people experience little or no sense of choice about their sexual orientation."
http://www.apa.org/topics/lgbt/orientation.aspx ("What causes a person to have a particular sexual orientation.") They aren't sure, but there are biological differences between straight and gay people:
http://www.latimes.com/science/scie...osexuality-nature-nurture-20151007-story.html
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/study-says-brains-of-gay/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation
So one shouldn't disregard the biological possibility.

Then for the research, science is actually ongoing on studying non-heterosexual orientations. As for cures, no. Not academically, but that's because it's not considered a mental disorder. There is no inherent issue in it any more than there is an inherent issue with left-handedness. You may bring up the fact they won't reproduce, and sure - But there's many straight people who won't do that either, and that still doesn't define a mental disorder. Granted, an exact definition is hard to agree on - What should be considered a disorder, after all. However, you weren't arguing for an alternative definition.

They never developed /working/ gay bombs btw. It was theorized but never produced (though theories themselves were shaky.) Funny enough, they also theorized a farting bomb, bad breath bomb, and heavy sweating bomb. Keep in mind that even in theory the gay bomb didn't turn you gay; it was exposure to pheromones believed to cause attraction to your comrades for as long as you were exposed to them.



Gender disphoria can undoubtedly be caused by social effects, but whether or not they can also be biological is another question; if they are biological, why don't all trans people experience it? Just as an example.
Not all disorders function the same way; there are biological disorders, like clinical (?) depression and schizophrenia, which can be treated with pills. However, then there's non-biological disorders like PTSD, which have to be treated with counseling and therapy. And those treatments don't always work - Not all humans are the same. Some kill themselves despite treatment, some get better, some merely tolerate their existence, etc. So no, the fact that there are treatments and some disorders can be cured does not mean all of them are easy. The socially caused disorders is my point with the above on gender disphoria; treatment is done through therapy, hormone therapy, or a surgical sex change. It is the cure for gender disphoria today, and thusfar the best treatment that exists for their mental health.
Finally, as for LGBT only being a problem because of media sensationalism, I don't know what you mean by that and therefore obviously can't respond to it.
You really shouldn't form opinions, especially things that encourage changes in policy and science, on those basis though. I'm sure I have done the same thing, but I don't argue for those opinions until I've at least looked into it a little. Not trying to shit on you, just hoping to curb a behaviour that I used to have, as it took me a long time of fucking up to kick it off. Or, well, I hope I've kicked it off.

yeowch

 

[Hall Kervean]

This is a forum though, not a one way blog article or blog post. Controversial opinions are going to invite discussion. Misinformed opinions even more so (this goes for all political views). That's a good thing, though. Not saying anything at all is just as potentially harmful as it allows people to remain in their echo chambers. This coming from someone who doesn't entirely agree with a lot of, let's say, 'social movements' nowadays.



Absolutely possible, glad you brought that up! I guess what I was trying to get at is that the distress that comes with gender dysphoria does not just come from external sources. It's also internal (i.e., stress from dissonance between the individual's self-concept and their physical body), which is also why it's more appropriate to be labelled a disorder, than, say, homosexuality. Am admittedly not an expert on the subject, but would be really cool to see if there's a significant difference between depression/suicide rates among bullied trans people and bullied homosexuals.



yeowch

But seeing as this was a thread to list unpopular opinions, not to discuss them, an echo chamber is what may be needed to keep the thread afloat, which should be the primary goal here.

 

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But seeing as this was a thread to list unpopular opinions, not to discuss them, an echo chamber is what may be needed to keep the thread afloat, which should be the primary goal here.

B... but that's just your opinion? *breaks*

But yeah, just personally, I don't see the point of listing views here if you're not willing to discuss them. Like, I suppose, how we're discussing discussion right now. ^{AhaI got you there}

 

[Hall Kervean]

B... but that's just your opinion? *breaks*

But yeah, just personally, I don't see the point of listing views here if you're not willing to discuss them. Like, I suppose, how we're discussing discussion right now. ^{AhaI got you there}

Maybe to break free of your echo chamber and remember people are different from you. I can see that point.
Maybe to vent over differing opinions.

 

[Rachael of the Shire]

ACCEPT ME
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But legitimately.
sh.
Responding to unpopular opinions is what tanks threads like these.

I have much disgust for much of liberalism, including some the LGBTQIA+ community and abortion, but I know that sharing that will tank threads and hurt people. So I won't share any specific opinions on them.

Well, I wasn't exactly lying when I said you would be accepted.

 

[The Gunrunner]

Hall Kervean
Depends on how the discussion goes down.
If it's a lot of "Fuck you, bitch" and "You're a fucking retard," then you'll get the thread closed. Which, granted, is a pretty big risk when arguing abortion. Insert *shudders from last argument over that topic* here.
If it's just arguments about ideas, and not about the people themselves, it's fine. Pretty sure anyway.