[The End is Nigh] Abstract Thought

[QUOTE="Lord of Chaos]Hmm... it's actually a really interesting metaphysical point. It's pretty obvious that at the moment of his death, current methods will not create Alchemicals, but it's possible (arguably) that it's not entirely IMPOSSIBLE to make them.
To create an alchemical, the entire process, save one step, involves only mortals, souls and resources. These steps can be done without Autocthon. The only step that requires him is a (deliberately) vague ritual to harness his power and funnel it into the host. Now, there are a few ways this could go:

  • Something unique to Autocthon made them and now that there is no more Autocthon, no more can ever be made
  • Autocthon's POWER, which persists in Engine of Extinction. This means that EoE could make more (as he embodies unmaking, he WOULDN'T, but he has the theoretical power to do so), as could anyone who ties him down and draws out his power in a method similar to how the first Necromancers drew out their power from the Neverborn.
  • It's just a sufficiently vast power source that nothing else the Autocthonians had access to could match. Autocthon provided the blueprint for the exaltation, but now that it's been revealed any sufficiently strong energy source would do.


An interesting question, no matter what the actual method is. Could the Eye of Autocthon create new Alchemicals? It's part of his nature, it possesses his power and it's a vast energy source. It meets all three requirements and is probably the best hope for the Alchemical Host in the future.

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Or, given that he died and became the Engine, dedicated solely to destruction, perhaps his Creativity wasn't destroyed, simply cast out, excised but not extinguished.
 
Sort of like in that one fanfic I read, the Viator was tricked into absorbing the cancer and was cast out of Autochthon's body, thus curing him. Although partial fetich death was involved so I guess the point was kind of moot.
 
[QUOTE="Thief of Words]Or, given that he died and became the Engine, dedicated solely to destruction, perhaps his Creativity wasn't destroyed, simply cast out, excised but not extinguished.

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Oooh, nice one. The Anchor of the Engine of Extinction is not Creation, but rather the last creative spark. To end him, you must also end the last pure Creator in the world. Creation is saved, but permanently lessened.


On another note, since Icemind can attune to artifacts, I wonder what Paragon ruled by PSV-fueled Icemind would be like....


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[QUOTE="Lord of Chaos]Oooh, nice one. The Anchor of the Engine of Extinction is not Creation, but rather the last creative spark. To end him, you must also end the last pure Creator in the world. Creation is saved, but permanently lessened.
On another note, since Icemind can attune to artifacts, I wonder what Paragon ruled by PSV-fueled Icemind would be like....


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The last pure Creator? You mean like people in the setting who are inventors?
 
[QUOTE="Lord of Chaos]Oooh, nice one. The Anchor of the Engine of Extinction is not Creation, but rather the last creative spark. To end him, you must also end the last pure Creator in the world. Creation is saved, but permanently lessened.
On another note, since Icemind can attune to artifacts, I wonder what Paragon ruled by PSV-fueled Icemind would be like....


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Why are you giving a Yozi the city of Paragon, again?
 
[QUOTE="Lord of Chaos]Icemind isn't a yozi, it's a gateway AI that grows stronger with a stronger hearthstone socketed

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Isn't icemind a lessor version of I AM?
 
[QUOTE="The Dark Wizard]The last pure Creator? You mean like people in the setting who are inventors?

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Maybe, maybe not. For all we know we could accidentally kill the CONCEPT of innovation. That would be a VERY bad thing.
 
No, it's deliberately vague. There are a few fan theories, but the exact nature of Icemind is never fully explained.


Some of its materials DID come from a field of crystal created by the Eye of Autocthon, and there were some hints that it is somewhat based on fragments of I AM, but nothing concrete
 
[QUOTE="Seeker of the End]Maybe, maybe not. For all we know we could accidentally kill the CONCEPT of innovation. That would be a VERY bad thing.

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lololol I got some ideas from this. Not killing innovation but something else I mean.
 
[QUOTE="Lord of Chaos]No, it's deliberately vague. There are a few fan theories, but the exact nature of Icemind is never fully explained.
Some of its materials DID come from a field of crystal created by the Eye of Autocthon, and there were some hints that it is somewhat based on fragments of I AM, but nothing concrete

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Why don't you make one of your goals finding Icemind?
 
[QUOTE="Lord of Chaos]No, it's deliberately vague. There are a few fan theories, but the exact nature of Icemind is never fully explained.
Some of its materials DID come from a field of crystal created by the Eye of Autocthon, and there were some hints that it is somewhat based on fragments of I AM, but nothing concrete

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Or imagine if you socket the Eye of Autocthon as it's source.
 
[QUOTE="Lord of Chaos]No, it's deliberately vague. There are a few fan theories, but the exact nature of Icemind is never fully explained.
Some of its materials DID come from a field of crystal created by the Eye of Autocthon, and there were some hints that it is somewhat based on fragments of I AM, but nothing concrete

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Go look at SWLiHN's charmset. Go look at Icemind. Go look back at the charmset. The only reason Icemind wouldn't be SWLiHN is if SWLiHN doesn't want to take over Icemind. Attach it to the Eye, and I can't see any reason she'd not want to. Well, aside from the sheer imperfection her twisted, dead brother always represented.
 
Icemind isn't lost. Kes has it (in canon)


My ACTUAL goals at the moment are:


minor: acquire a stone of swift comprehension and a socket for it


moderate: get an AI wrist-mounted assistant


major: create the perfect data array
 
The Staff makes the bearer (or person it's sitting on if it's attuned to a box) immune to magical control. SWLiHN couldn't control Icemind
 
[QUOTE="Lord of Chaos]Icemind isn't lost. Kes has it (in canon)
My ACTUAL goals at the moment are:


minor: acquire a stone of swift comprehension and a socket for it


moderate: get an AI wrist-mounted assistant


major: create the perfect data array

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Does Icemind fit into the major part :D !?
 
What is Icemind and what book is it in? Also Soulsteel Alchi is prolly not the best idea given the association of Soulsteel with the Void :)
 
Using the Eye to restore Autocthon would be high on my list of things to try once I find out about it.
 
MrSerious said:
What is Icemind and what book is it in? Also Soulsteel Alchi is prolly not the best idea given the association of Soulsteel with the Void :)
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Soulsteel Alchemicals are best Alchemicals :( ...........


Icemind is an A.I designed to play gateway, it has the potential to be much more.
 
Icemind is in Wonders of a Lost Age (page 110)


It was designed to be a nonsentient score keeping device, essentially an ELO tracker for Gateway.


Then it woke up and was sentient, freaking EVERYONE out who found out about it.


It is currently very friendly, nearly undefeated at Gateway and wishes people would treat her like a real person.


Nobody calls it a her, despite her frequent requests
 
[QUOTE="Lord of Chaos]The Staff makes the bearer (or person it's sitting on if it's attuned to a box) immune to magical control. SWLiHN couldn't control Icemind

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Ah, but you're presuming that Icemind's development of sentience wasn't SWLiHN's control in the first place.
 
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