[The End is Nigh] Abstract Thought

I will still review and approve characters though, but I'm holding off on posting the threads until I have time to dedicate to them.
 
JayTee said:
Take your time!
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Thanks!


But I also don't want people to dissapear in a day or two, I know how fickle I can be waiting for a game to start when I'm a player.
 
I've seen some people add on Infinite Mastery or their equivalent to their sheets for free. Does it actually count for the free excellency rule?
 
[QUOTE="The Dark Wizard]I'm so excited for this game though!

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Speaking of which, while I work on figuring out what character I want to apply as, any word on if DBs will get some advantages to help balance them out?
 
As a rule of thumb, I tend to think that DB's advantages tend to be infrastructurally based. The Scarlet Empire and all.
 
[QUOTE="The Dark Wizard]I'm so excited for this game though!

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Me, too. Just don't leave us waiting too long to start. Since I was one of the first to get approved, I feel like I've been waiting to start for a while. It hasn't been that long, but it feels like it!
 
That's kind of meaningless though when a Solar can shit out infrastructure in a couple days, and Infernals are largely independent of it.


Alchemicals would also be a problem, one of my big hesitations is that games in Creation tend to have issues with the Vats.
 
Alectai said:
That's kind of meaningless though when a Solar can shit out infrastructure in a couple days, and Infernals are largely independent of it.
Alchemicals would also be a problem, one of my big hesitations is that games in Creation tend to have issues with the Vats.
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From what I heard from TDW, there will be some Alchie cities popping up in Creation when the Great Maker goes into Deathtrain mode, otherwise it just wouldn't be prudent to try to run a Alchie without having a personal Vat.
 
This is also what I have heard and from the very beginning no less. ^^ Still I have the most terrible of memory so I could also have imagined it.


Either way, I am good with waiting a day, or two, or three. I can do that.
 
Not too long, though. I'm off work this week -- so if I don't have enough to keep me busy, I might actually have to do some of that paperwork that's been piling up. What a horrid notion! :D
 
Looking forward for the game to start, but don't worry about the waiting, I can only imagine the huge task of ST'ing for almost 20 players.
 
[QUOTE="Seeker of the End]I've seen some people add on Infinite Mastery or their equivalent to their sheets for free. Does it actually count for the free excellency rule?

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From what I understand, only thing that are actually CALLED "Excellency" (or Augmentation) count. Infinite (Ability) Mastery is NOT an Excellency, it's a general charm.
 
[QUOTE="Lord-Leafar]Looking forward for the game to start, but don't worry about the waiting, I can only imagine the huge task of ST'ing for almost 20 players.

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Indeed but I think it will be fine I just want to finish my project for my midterm. If anyone is interested in CO-DMing let me know.


Also some Alchemical cities will fall into creation, you will have vats, think though with the great maker being the deathrain, you just can't make more alchemicals, someone confirm this for me.
 
[QUOTE="Lord of Chaos]From what I understand, only thing that are actually CALLED "Excellency" (or Augmentation) count. Infinite (Ability) Mastery is NOT an Excellency, it's a general charm.

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I hold this to be correct.
 
[QUOTE="The Dark Wizard]Indeed but I think it will be fine I just want to finish my project for my midterm. If anyone is interested in CO-DMing let me know.
Also some Alchemical cities will fall into creation, you will have vats, think though with the great maker being the deathrain, you just can't make more alchemicals, someone confirm this for me.

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Actually I think you are right. The Mortals that make the Alchemicals need guidance/power from the Great Maker himself. Since he be dead well... ya know... one of those needed components can catalyze an Alchemical is gone nearly perma-type.


EDIT: I was talking with a friend who is more knowledgeable (sometimes has better and fun ideas) But he suspects its possible to make new Alchemicals if a Metro/Patro polis develops a City style charm to mimic Auto's Essence. (Granted this means research and materials needed to have the city create said charm)
 
Hmm... it's actually a really interesting metaphysical point. It's pretty obvious that at the moment of his death, current methods will not create Alchemicals, but it's possible (arguably) that it's not entirely IMPOSSIBLE to make them.


To create an alchemical, the entire process, save one step, involves only mortals, souls and resources. These steps can be done without Autocthon. The only step that requires him is a (deliberately) vague ritual to harness his power and funnel it into the host. Now, there are a few ways this could go:

  • Something unique to Autocthon made them and now that there is no more Autocthon, no more can ever be made
  • Autocthon's POWER, which persists in Engine of Extinction. This means that EoE could make more (as he embodies unmaking, he WOULDN'T, but he has the theoretical power to do so), as could anyone who ties him down and draws out his power in a method similar to how the first Necromancers drew out their power from the Neverborn.
  • It's just a sufficiently vast power source that nothing else the Autocthonians had access to could match. Autocthon provided the blueprint for the exaltation, but now that it's been revealed any sufficiently strong energy source would do.


An interesting question, no matter what the actual method is. Could the Eye of Autocthon create new Alchemicals? It's part of his nature, it possesses his power and it's a vast energy source. It meets all three requirements and is probably the best hope for the Alchemical Host in the future.
 
[QUOTE="Lord of Chaos]Hmm... it's actually a really interesting metaphysical point. It's pretty obvious that at the moment of his death, current methods will not create Alchemicals, but it's possible (arguably) that it's not entirely IMPOSSIBLE to make them.
To create an alchemical, the entire process, save one step, involves only mortals, souls and resources. These steps can be done without Autocthon. The only step that requires him is a (deliberately) vague ritual to harness his power and funnel it into the host. Now, there are a few ways this could go:

  • Something unique to Autocthon made them and now that there is no more Autocthon, no more can ever be made
  • Autocthon's POWER, which persists in Engine of Extinction. This means that EoE could make more (as he embodies unmaking, he WOULDN'T, but he has the theoretical power to do so), as could anyone who ties him down and draws out his power in a method similar to how the first Necromancers drew out their power from the Neverborn.
  • It's just a sufficiently vast power source that nothing else the Autocthonians had access to could match. Autocthon provided the blueprint for the exaltation, but now that it's been revealed any sufficiently strong energy source would do.


An interesting question, no matter what the actual method is. Could the Eye of Autocthon create new Alchemicals? It's part of his nature, it possesses his power and it's a vast energy source. It meets all three requirements and is probably the best hope for the Alchemical Host in the future.

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Eye of Autocthon could be a tasty plot hook.
 
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