Surnaturel Academy

I don't really take issues with obscene power levels except when it comes to shutting down a character's entire gimmick like Newtype keeps doing to CSA.
 
I just have to say, you do know that being able to create or destroy anything at will is far superior to being able to control oxygen or cause natural disasters, right? I mean they're both fairly absurd but being able to blink things in and out of existence is kind of an ur-power. Oh and if someone comes along that somehow overcomes this you can control space and time as well, don't forget. A solution would be simply what Dr Bones posited. I would also suggest some manner of restraint and balance so that not everyone has to be godlike or massively overextend the reach of their powers in order to not have their everything be completely ignored and absolutely pointless.


I just wanted a kung fu guy and instead wound up listing an absurd amount of abilities I never plan to use because, apparently, it's the only way to make my concept (hyper defensive kung fu guy that don't want no trouble) stick and not get fucked over when surrounded by people such as CHI CAN DO ANYTHING and God. Though even then I actually provided some manner of detailing to explain that yes, my guy's everything is defense and he doesn't really fight back, ensuring his opponent isn't harmed either. But I guess that doesn't really mean jack since CSA's bio is being blatantly ignored and his ability to scare ANYTHING regularly downplayed or negated.


Oh and now we have a teacher whose power is being literally invincible. That's wonderful.
 
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Since nobody else jumped at the chance to become the next Defense & Logic teacher, I made one. His powers are a little response to this huge stink made up about nothing.
 
Here's where I say nonetheless it was Passion Blossom who accepted my character sheet which included his powers, if Passion Blossom saw a problem with it she would've said something when she first looked at it.


Now back to the teacher thing, what good would a teacher be if he couldn't ABSOLUTELY HANDLE ALL HIS STUDENTS ON THE FIRST DAY OF CLASSES. Essentially there'd be no point in teaching then.
 
What's the point of raising an army when this guy has a power that's literally "destroy armies" amongst other things. Also, this goes back to what I said before, perhaps a little restraint and some balance and not having everyone try to be the most powerfulest of them all would prevent having to constantly up the ante and produce ever-more ridiculously powerful characters who can destroy everyone and everything on their own? I'd gladly downgrade my character if it didn't mean I'd have to put up with being the BMX Bandit in this situation.


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give that a watch if you don't know what I'm talking about
 
Hey @Newtype, still haven't gotten a rebuttal on why it's totally okay to willfully misinterpret CSA's power and shut down Hanako's entire powerset.
 
Alright so, um, I did look up this 'Fear Masking' thing. It seems more about being able to react normally in crisis situations than about being immune to fear, for the record.


http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Fear_Masking


They'd probably still wet their pants at a jump scare, though. This power is more about a dire, prolonged, known sort of fear like understanding that you have to fight a horde of monsters without running away or something.


Edit: Oh, it also says that it may not provide protection against Fear Inducement, which is essentially Hanako's ability so like... yeah.
 
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Newtype said:
Here's where I say nonetheless it was Passion Blossom who accepted my character sheet which included his powers, if Passion Blossom saw a problem with it she would've said something when she first looked at it.
Now back to the teacher thing, what good would a teacher be if he couldn't ABSOLUTELY HANDLE ALL HIS STUDENTS ON THE FIRST DAY OF CLASSES. Essentially there'd be no point in teaching then.
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Most teachers aren't expected to be able to beat all of their students at once in a fistfight. Them simply being commanding and charismatic enough to get respectful attention from the students is more than enough. If a student acts up, you firmly inform them of the consequences of this, without threatening to obliterate them. Most martial arts teachers don't brutalize their students, either.
 
TBH any further questions of such nature, should be to the GM so she can make a decision. I'd gladly follow her judgement on the matter because frankly this is getting between me and my homework.


Her power is scaring people, X has Fear Masking meaning he doesn't get scared. CSA it says user is capable of supressing their fear, it's limitations say MAY be vulnerable to fear inducement(Hanako's power). Since it's a "may" and not an "is" that doesn't mean he's has to be vulnerable to Fear Inducement.

Nautilus said:
Hey @Newtype, still haven't gotten a rebuttal on why it's totally okay to willfully misinterpret CSA's power and shut down Hanako's entire powerset.
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@Zerohex I got the point in the first 90 seconds. However this is a school to prepare everyone for war, as though it may not seem like it there is stuff that Yoh's powers can do but he himself doesn't know how. In theory Yoh could be Mr Angel but as you've seen so far the most Yoh has been pulling off is stuff related to the Elemental Manipulation and Supernatural Conditioning(Aka chi augmentation). Yoh is not as much as a Mr Angel as his capabilities paint him, so he has much to learn.


@DrBones I undrstand what you're saying but this is how X is thinking;he tried the non beating them down way and his students died when they went off to war, then on another note do you think such methods would work in a school for the supernatural. Though most martial arts teachers in real life. That's not exactly the kind of world our characters live in.
 
Right, OK, but suppression does imply that the fear is still there. It's just being suppressed so that the user can put on a brave mask. Thus, they mask their fear. It's in the name of the power.


And I think the 'may' is more dependent on the nature of the fear induction than on the fear masking, because fear masking is fairly straightforward while fear induction can come from a variety of areas. Seeing as the area in question is the ability to scare anyone, I think this particular induction method overrides it.
 
This isn't about teaching methods (though teaching by beating students up and having them randomly fight eachother isn't a good way of teaching either), it's about controlling the class. You certainly won't get the respect and willingness to learn from the students by threatening to kill them when they goof off and brutalizing them when they go the extra mile to put in effort.


This is teaching 101, and I think Mr. X and his Ultimate Warrior powers would be better-suited to the battlefield.
 
So what I'm getting here, @Newtype, is that you will not, and presumably can not actually justify why it's okay to completely shut down a character, just that the powers of a character allow him to do it. See, I could make a character that can kill everyone in the school no questions asked. Does that make it okay? No. I refuse to play with someone who just makes new powers up on the spot, willfully misinterprets other player's abilities in ways advantageous to himself, and takes away player agency from his fellow players to stroke his own ego.


And since you've gone back to hiding behind @PassionBlossom, here's what I'm gonna do: If @PassionBlossom says that what you're doing is completely okay and that characters can completely shut other characters down as long as they justify themselves as being godly or close, I'll just leave the game. She has 48 hours to respond.
 
I might as well jump in with nautilus. Looking for a fresh school game is easier than sticking here and watching Newtype and the like godmod just completely ignore someone's player agency.
 
Player agency, is ... I could go on a speech about it. But I'mma just say that player agency is incredibly important. Short and sweet. But, it doesn't truly give it justice.


I agree with the sentiment that it is not okay to willfully misinterpret another player's abilities so they can take away the other player's agency because it benefits them.


I am curious on how this will go.
 
Newtype said:
I got the point in the first 90 seconds. However this is a school to prepare everyone for war, as though it may not seem like it there is stuff that Yoh's powers can do but he himself doesn't know how. In theory Yoh could be Mr Angel but as you've seen so far the most Yoh has been pulling off is stuff related to the Elemental Manipulation and Supernatural Conditioning(Aka chi augmentation). Yoh is not as much as a Mr Angel as his capabilities paint him, so he has much to learn.
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I'm glad you got the point, less glad you seem to be ignoring my comments about applying some restraint and establishing a basic level of balance in order to avoid having a BMX Bandit situation. I'm not sure what it being a school to prepare people for war has to do with your student having even more powers to bring out as needed and your teacher being literally untouchable and capable of destroying armies on his own.


Your teacher being the ultimate badassest motherfucker in the galaxy does not make him an ideal teacher whatsoever and he sounds like he should be out there, ending whatever war is happening by virtue of being invincible. Your student having more powers he'll unlock later doesn't make you that much better than the guy who gave himself God powers, because he too hasn't used those to their full extent yet, it all just means you two can constantly pull more abilities as needed.
 
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I wish it didn't come to this, but I really don't appreciate people who give their characters amazingly overpowered abilities, because it saps the other players of viable possibilities for their characters.
 
I'm not really feeling up for jumping into the argument.


But it is kinda lame and plot hole-y to have a dude so strong he stomps everyone but somehow isn't being sent off to go fight since he's so much better than everyone
 
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