Fandom Star Trek: Vigilance (OOC)

[Darkraven]

*Peeks in.* Hey guys! How does everybody feel about Bajorans?

Bajorans are acceptable. Numerous Bajorans have already joined Starfleet many years before the start of the RP's story.

Anyway, guys, we'll continue to wait for the rest to post. However, if they don't by Wednesday midnight, I'll just move the story on. You guys still with me?

 

[RPLongAndProsper]

Thanks! I can assure you it won´t take me long, as I already have a character ready from another game that never took off, so it is sitting here unused, I just have to tweak it a little. Is there any skill set you need (specialisation nobody filled yet)?

 

[Darkraven]

Thanks! I can assure you it won´t take me long, as I already have a character ready from another game that never took off, so it is sitting here unused, I just have to tweak it a little. Is there any skill set you need (specialisation nobody filled yet)?

If I'm not wrong, there are no junior officers on the command track or something involving command.

 

[RPLongAndProsper]

I am not sure how exactly command worked in SF. That is, did a person study something command related, or did officers in command hail from any specialisation if they proved themselves capable, had a high enough rank and took a command course? I

 

[MechanicalSnake]

That is actually an interesting question. Im sure you had to study command but at the same time I cannot imagine they would keep extras who were only good at command on a star ship I mean what would they be doing most of the time? Waiting for the bridge crew to fuck up?

 

[RPLongAndProsper]

Also, I see this started at DS9. Does it take place after that series or during? If after, how many years. I apoloize if this info is posted somewhere, I havent found it.

 

[Darkraven]

Also, I see this started at DS9. Does it take place after that series or during? If after, how many years. I apoloize if this info is posted somewhere, I havent found it.

It takes place just after the USS Voyager went missing (and got swept into the Delta Quadrant), so it should be about the start of season 3 of DS9.

I am not sure how exactly command worked in SF. That is, did a person study something command related, or did officers in command hail from any specialisation if they proved themselves capable, had a high enough rank and took a command course? I

There's actually a lot that you can study about command. You'll need to know how people work - their psychology, and in SF, that means knowing what makes the many species tick. You'll need to know how to read people, both friends and foe. You'll also need a working knowledge of a starship, other starships, and the current climate at large. I think in the far future, every track will definitely have collected an inexhaustible volume of things to pore through... But yes, you'll still have to prove yourselves, and I imagine that on a starship as a junior officer in the command track, your character would likely be given some form of authority, and be placed just below the senior officers in the command structure, which means, if something were to happen to the senior officers and ranking officers...

I've been in the military before, and I'm still on the reserves. I myself am subject to a number of officers (how annoying), as a 2nd Sergeant and in charge of the unit's various supply. We have an EXCESS of officers, because redundancy is important, and each officer could at least be given a few men to command (at least), with the big boys overseeing the entire thing. A hierarchy is supposed to have command officers on every level, and from the looks of it, if anything, we have a lack of them in the USS Vigilance.

 

[RPLongAndProsper]

Yes, you are completely right. However, it doesn´t entirely cover the issue I had in mind. In ST, we usually see a command team composed of the Captain + the First Officer. If they are not available, the next in the line of Command are, for instance Scotty in TOS, who is an Engineer, or Sulu, who is a pilot. Or Tuvok in Voyager, who is the head of Security. We also see doctors (Troi, Holodoctor, Crusher) pass command exams and then appear on the bridge. And we do not get to find out what the Captains (or First Officers) had been doing before they were promoted into their functions. So I still wonder, is there a position in Command as such, or do people get into command by attending the relevant courses + passing the exams WHILE also having another specialisation, such as science, engineering or medical.

 

[Darkraven]

e next in the line of Command are, for instance Scotty in TOS, who is an Engineer, or Sulu, who is a pilot. Or Tuvok in Voyager, who is the head of Security. We also see doctors (Troi, Holodoctor, Crusher) pass command exams and then appear on the bridge. And we do not get to find out what the Captains (or First Officers) had been doing before they were promoted into their functions. So I still wonder, is there a position in Command as such, or do people get into command by attending the relevant courses + passing the exams WHILE also having another specialisation, such as science, engineering or medical.

I suppose personnel could have secondary specialisation, whether command or not - it helps to know how the other aspects of operating a starship works. The thing about the Star Trek movies and series is that we're watching exceptional ships at play, with exceptional men and women in command. Realistically, a more decentralised structure is more appropriate and pragmatic - and I have no doubt that that's actually how every ship we see works, just that we don't get to see it. We don't get to see much of the junior officers, and there's plenty of 'command' junior officers no matter where you look. Chances are, they are the ones who execute the Captain/First Officer's orders. It looks easy for the Captain/First Officer to give orders (though clearly many decisions are hard to make), but for the ones below them to carry them out is an entirely different matter, and would require command officers to expedite them.

Furthermore, I did say that if something were to happen to the senior officers and higher ranking officers, a junior officer on the command track would likely be the next guy in line to make decisions.

EDIT: Also, in this RP, Captain Ke'varr favours a more decentralised and redundancy-centred structure, which means he won't always be commanding away teams or leading task forces or going down to the various departments to oversee everything himself.

 

[Darkraven]

I'll probably come up with a new post within 8 hours.

 

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Boom, snatched some spare time from the snapping jaws of my education. It was a mighty struggle, though, one that I have no doubt shall be told in sagas and legends in the ages to come.

Also Darkraven I like you, but I'm not going to let that "it's only a matter of time management" line slide. It just so happens that I'm not that great at time management. I do my best, but I'm inexperienced and still learning. So I'd prefer to not have you try and hit me with the "other people have it worse and can do it" card. It's like saying "why can't you hit that target, this Olympic marksman I know can hit this shot every time from double this distance". Different people, different skill sets. I'm perfectly aware of the rule, and that's why I let you know that I didn't think I could make it in time, and why I'm glad you decided to grant me an extension.

TL ; DR: Posted, I'm learning to manage my time, thanks for extending the deadline, not for cloaking it in unhelpful bullshit.

 

[MechanicalSnake]

Wow. I have just realized that unless the new people pick a male character, poor Savir is surrounded by women.

 

[Darkraven]

Boom, snatched some spare time from the snapping jaws of my education. It was a mighty struggle, though, one that I have no doubt shall be told in sagas and legends in the ages to come.

Also Darkraven I like you, but I'm not going to let that "it's only a matter of time management" line slide. It just so happens that I'm not that great at time management. I do my best, but I'm inexperienced and still learning. So I'd prefer to not have you try and hit me with the "other people have it worse and can do it" card. It's like saying "why can't you hit that target, this Olympic marksman I know can hit this shot every time from double this distance". Different people, different skill sets. I'm perfectly aware of the rule, and that's why I let you know that I didn't think I could make it in time, and why I'm glad you decided to grant me an extension.

TL ; DR: Posted, I'm learning to manage my time, thanks for extending the deadline, not for cloaking it in unhelpful bullshit.

Where do I even begin here? Here's the deal - instead of appealing to my authority as GM (which I feel is folly at this point), and instead of resorting to ageism remarks (because I hate the idea myself before and after I hit the adult age, and I believe that everyone, regardless of age, can be ahead or behind their time.), let's talk for a bit.

Before we do that, I'm going to lay all my cards on the table here so that it's plain to see. You know why most GM treats their RP like their own private kingdom and state in the rules that they are divine and always right? It's because they had to be defensive - because some people have attitude problems. I, however, prefer the moderate and soft option. You know why? I'll be glad to tell you why. Because I'm not them. I've dealt with all kinds of people in my time. I've been in the army, and I have to return to that God-forsaken hell-hole every year for another seven years. I've worked in a few companies, and I'm now running my own business enlightening children where the public schools failed. My main obsession is writing; I am a writer myself, and I've hung out with others online and offline, with both the stuck-up and the humble types. Soldiers, corporate wage-slaves, stuck-up bosses, artists, children and adolescents, I've dealt with them all. That is why I don't need to be such a tryhard to get things done. That is why I don't have to expend so much effort, shouting and screaming, flagellating like some desperate bacteria, to get things done.

Now, let's get down to business.

Your analogy doesn't work:

- No one is expected to master archery to the Olympic standard. Everyone is expected to be able to manage their time (even in school).

- Why? Few people these days need archery. No one can get by well at all without the ability to manage time.

- Archery is a very specific skill. Time management applies to almost everything, if not everything.

That said, if you were to bring this remark to any place, be it school, work, or even an entertainment venue like this, it's just not going to fly. No one's going to take that as a valid answer, and believe me when I say, everyone's probably going reprimand you at least or kick you out at most. But I'm not going to do that. We're all learning here. No one's perfect.

Instead, I'm going to give you two choices:

A: Stick around, let's all tell a good Star Trek saga together. You will leave your attitude outside the door, and I'll be glad to advise you accordingly. You will learn, and I'll eventually forgive and forget your trespass here.

B: You can leave and bring with you your attitude; you can learn time management elsewhere.

Make your choice. If you choose to leave, your character will disappear into the ranks, never to be seen again, so no harm done.

Obi-Wan Kenobi

For the rest of you, I'll be posting in a few hours.

 

[Epiphany]

Holy cow, I've been missing notifications in the OOC channel forever.

I was prompted to check because Jack's remark in the IC just now actually made me laugh out loud, and that accomplishment is always worth calling out.

 

[Darkraven]

Holy cow, I've been missing notifications in the OOC channel forever.

I was prompted to check because Jack's remark in the IC just now actually made me laugh out loud, and that accomplishment is always worth calling out.

Oh God, you're right. That made me laugh. However... It's a one-sentence post, which is heavily frowned upon.

 

[MechanicalSnake]

Oh God, you're right. That made me laugh. However... It's a one-sentence post, which is heavily frowned upon.

I would forgive that because it made me laugh out loud too

 

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Where do I even begin here? Here's the deal - instead of appealing to my authority as GM (which I feel is folly at this point), and instead of resorting to ageism remarks (because I hate the idea myself before and after I hit the adult age, and I believe that everyone, regardless of age, can be ahead or behind their time.), let's talk for a bit.

Before we do that, I'm going to lay all my cards on the table here so that it's plain to see. You know why most GM treats their RP like their own private kingdom and state in the rules that they are divine and always right? It's because they had to be defensive - because some people have attitude problems. I, however, prefer the moderate and soft option. You know why? I'll be glad to tell you why. Because I'm not them. I've dealt with all kinds of people in my time. I've been in the army, and I have to return to that God-forsaken hell-hole every year for another seven years. I've worked in a few companies, and I'm now running my own business enlightening children where the public schools failed. My main obsession is writing; I am a writer myself, and I've hung out with others online and offline, with both the stuck-up and the humble types. Soldiers, corporate wage-slaves, stuck-up bosses, artists, children and adolescents, I've dealt with them all. That is why I don't need to be such a tryhard to get things done. That is why I don't have to expend so much effort, shouting and screaming, flagellating like some desperate bacteria, to get things done.

Now, let's get down to business.

Your analogy doesn't work:

- No one is expected to master archery to the Olympic standard. Everyone is expected to be able to manage their time (even in school).

- Why? Few people these days need archery. No one can get by well at all without the ability to manage time.

- Archery is a very specific skill. Time management applies to almost everything, if not everything.

That said, if you were to bring this remark to any place, be it school, work, or even an entertainment venue like this, it's just not going to fly. No one's going to take that as a valid answer, and believe me when I say, everyone's probably going reprimand you at least or kick you out at most. But I'm not going to do that. We're all learning here. No one's perfect.

Instead, I'm going to give you two choices:

A: Stick around, let's all tell a good Star Trek saga together. You will leave your attitude outside the door, and I'll be glad to advise you accordingly. You will learn, and I'll eventually forgive and forget your trespass here.

B: You can leave and bring with you your attitude; you can learn time management elsewhere.

Make your choice. If you choose to leave, your character will disappear into the ranks, never to be seen again, so no harm done.

Obi-Wan Kenobi

For the rest of you, I'll be posting in a few hours.

Alright. Poof, I'm gone.

 

[Darkraven]

Alright. Poof, I'm gone.

How disappointing, but at least you have the courtesy not to create more drama here. As such, I'm going to throw you into the grey list rather than the dark list or black list (i.e You get 1 strike rather than 2 or a straight ban). You should expect difficulty in ever entering any RPs I create, resistance if we happen to be in the same RPs, and information about your misdemeanor will be freely shared with other GMs.

 

[Error 420]

Yiiiikes this is getting a little heavy, friends. Let's just chilllll and have some fun, guys.

 

[MechanicalSnake]

Yiiiikes this is getting a little heavy, friends. Let's just chilllll and have some fun, guys.

I'm trying so hard no to get involved like you wouldn't believe!

 

[Epiphany]

Darkraven Obi-Wan Kenobi
I'm not interested in drama either (at least, not of the OOC kind). But my conscience bothers me enough that I'd rather speak than stay silent.

Real life takes priority over gaming. Hosts of games are perfectly in their rights to set their posting expectations and even ask players who can't meet them to find another game (preferably privately where there's minimal shame factor). But taking someone to task over time management sets a certain tone, one Obi-Wan Kenobi is not at all out of line in responding to. His response was civil and most of the word count was on his own shortcomings rather than taking direct issue with your tone. Your response to his is critical and fairly condescending. Remarkably, he opted to just bow out...and you couldn't let it go without giving him a 'strike' and the threat of blacklisting him in other games?

I'd like to think I'm above something as childish as a strike but you're now on a list of one; the first person on this site in 5 years I'm now wary of gaming with. If you're still fine with me playing, I'm happy to participate and time and good behavior will hopefully distance me from this unpleasant situation. If you'd rather I leave with Obi-Wan Kenobi I'm okay with that outcome too, despite my liking for your game premise and my pleasure with your IC posts thus far.

I'm not looking for a debate or justification. But I could not stay quiet in good conscience. Thanks for hearing me out.

 

[MechanicalSnake]

Darkraven Obi-Wan Kenobi
I'm not interested in drama either (at least, not of the OOC kind). But my conscience bothers me enough that I'd rather speak than stay silent.

Real life takes priority over gaming. Hosts of games are perfectly in their rights to set their posting expectations and even ask players who can't meet them to find another game (preferably privately where there's minimal shame factor). But taking someone to task over time management sets a certain tone, one Obi-Wan Kenobi is not at all out of line in responding to. His response was civil and most of the word count was on his own shortcomings rather than taking direct issue with your tone. Your response to his is critical and fairly condescending. Remarkably, he opted to just bow out...and you couldn't let it go without giving him a 'strike' and the threat of blacklisting him in other games?

I'd like to think I'm above something as childish as a strike but you're now on a list of one; the first person on this site in 5 years I'm now wary of gaming with. If you're still fine with me playing, I'm happy to participate and time and good behavior will hopefully distance me from this unpleasant situation. If you'd rather I leave with Obi-Wan Kenobi I'm okay with that outcome too, despite my liking for your game premise and my pleasure with your IC posts thus far.

I'm not looking for a debate or justification. But I could not stay quiet in good conscience. Thanks for hearing me out.

Okay then. I knew that I couldn´t stay out of it if others got involved cause my ego wants to be heard. I personally believe that there was nothing wrong at all with Darkraven ´s original post, where he basically only reminded Fezzes that the requirement was to post once a week and that it could be easily managed + suggested how. Even though I fully agree that real life takes priority over any hobby activity, it is still the GM´s duty to set some rules and try to make the players follow them, because if they don´t, those who are looking forward to the game and do their best end up upset. I think that if Fezzes had said, "okay, I´ll try harder next time, but please don´t be upset with me if I fail, because life is giving me a hard time currently", everyone would have understood and there would have been no more trouble. However, after having been a GM several times, I can tell you that their actual answer would have pissed me off as well, in fact it would have pissed off anyone who invested a large portion of their time and imagination into creating a fun activity for others, because it was basically saying: "I´m not ever gonna follow your rules, I am virtually incapable of it, and I don´t even want to try, moreover, f*ck you being so lame as to ask it of me, yay". When I saw it, I literally wanted to slap the first teenager I met.
However, I also think that the threats of blacklisting Fezzes in all the games around, after they had been asked to choose from two fair options and calmly selected the one that suited them, without causing any more problems, was absolutely uncalled for. And I hope that Epiphany you won´t leave, because I would hate to see you go and/or the game die before it really started. I mean I´ve been looking for a Star Trek RP ever since I joined this page which has been... ages, really. So why don´t we all just move past this now.

 

[Epiphany]

MechanicalSnake
We clearly have wildly different perceptions of both posters. And given one of them has opted out, it doesn't much matter anymore. Thanks for stating how they came across to you. That's rarely comfortable to do in a tense conversation on the internet.

I've spoken my piece and meant what I said about not aiming for a debate or further justification. It's up to Darkraven if he wants me in his game or not. Until I hear otherwise, I'll move on to posting. And if nothing else is said about this, fine by me and all the better.

 

[MechanicalSnake]

MechanicalSnake
We clearly have wildly different perceptions of both posters. And given one of them has opted out, it doesn't much matter anymore. Thanks for stating how they came across to you. That's rarely comfortable to do in a tense conversation on the internet.

I guess this serves to show how differently things can be understood by different people over the internet! Peace and long life!

 

[Epiphany]

Live Long and Prosper.