Fandom Shirou Emiya's Smithing Shop - OOC

[hudhouse]

Actually, as a servant, Jesus would be weaker than Moses. All he can really do is heal, turn water to wine, and walk on water.

and bring people BACK FROM THE DEAD

 

[Xel]

Actually, as a servant, Jesus would be weaker than Moses. All he can really do is heal, turn water to wine, and walk on water.

Jesus is, literally, the most famous person to ever exist in human history. He'd have to be nerfed into the ground to be able to be summoned. So without extenuating circumstances he'd be off-limits same as all the other divine beings.

 

[hudhouse]

Jesus is, literally, the most famous person to ever exist in human history. He'd have to be nerfed into the ground to be able to be summoned. So without extenuating circumstances he'd be off-limits same as all the other divine beings.

 

[Dalamus Ulom]

and bring people BACK FROM THE DEAD

Oh, that too.

Jesus is, literally, the most famous person to ever exist in human history. He'd have to be nerfed into the ground to be able to be summoned. So without extenuating circumstances he'd be off-limits same as all the other divine beings.

But didn't you say that fame was only a little part of making a servant? I mean, he'd be a pretty powerful caster, but he wouldn't be game breaking.

And by the looks of that chart, technically Buddha would be the most famous.

 

[Dalamus Ulom]

Oh, that too.

But didn't you say that fame was only a little part of making a servant? I mean, he'd be a pretty powerful caster, but he wouldn't be game breaking.

And by the looks of that chart, technically Buddha would be the most famous.

Also, umu.

 

[Iskandar]

Oh, that too.

But didn't you say that fame was only a little part of making a servant? I mean, he'd be a pretty powerful caster, but he wouldn't be game breaking.

And by the looks of that chart, technically Buddha would be the most famous.

Pretty sure buddhism should also be in Japan and China. Granted Shintoism is quite popular in Japan, but so is buddhism...

Jesus: "Brothers, Sisters. Why must we fight?" *Gets attacked. Utterly destroys the attacker*

 

[Girouette]

Who said Fame was only a little part?

Fame is just as important as actual feats. Lol.

 

[Dalamus Ulom]

Who said Fame was only a little part?

Fame is just as important as actual feats. Lol.

Did you only read the second half of the middle of my post? Did you not read the first half of that paragraph, or notice the fact I was talking to Xel?

Xel. Xel was the one who said fame was only a small part of it.

Umu.

 

[Iskandar]

Hmm. What class would Napoleon be? I am thinking Rider or Servant. Maybe Berserker depending on the time of his life lol

 

[Xel]

Oh, that too.

But didn't you say that fame was only a little part of making a servant? I mean, he'd be a pretty powerful caster, but he wouldn't be game breaking.

And by the looks of that chart, technically Buddha would be the most famous.

Fame plays a part, but it's about the whole package. Jesus is already immensely powerful on his own. Add onto that being the most famous man to ever exist and you end up with someone that's just beyond the Grail's ability to summon.

 

[Dalamus Ulom]

Hmm. What class would Napoleon be? I am thinking Rider or Servant. Maybe Berserker depending on the time of his life lol

Rider. Though he could be an Archer, as he was a the ledear of a brigade of cannonneers.

 

[Iskandar]

Rider. Though he could be an Archer, as he was a the ledear of a brigade of cannonneers.

I feel like his NP would be similar to Iskandar and his Reality marble.

 

[Dalamus Ulom]

Fame plays a part, but it's about the whole package. Jesus is already immensely powerful on his own. Add onto that being the most famous man to ever exist and you end up with someone that's just beyond the Grail's ability to summon.

Immensely powerful? Now, I may not be Christian, so please tell me if I'm wrong. But, are you sure we're talking about the same guy? Jesus is pretty famous, but he's famous for dying. His abilities include walking on water, he turning water to wine, bringing the dead back to life, and resurrecting himself after a period of time. The most useful ability on that list is the last one, and it'd probably be about as useful as Heracles' NP, or Koshcei's if he were to become a servant. But because of his non-combatative nature, he'd be near useless to just about anyone who isn't an alcoholic (like Christina). I mean, he's practically Stheno levels of uselessness. At best, Jesus is a healer and a bullet sponge.

I feel like his NP would be similar to Iskandar and his Reality marble.

Yeah, I concur. He'd probably have an entire army backing him up in there, as per Iskander.




EDIT: UMU!

 

[Xel]

Immensely powerful? Now, I may not be Christian, so please tell me if I'm wrong. But, are you sure we're talking about the same guy? Jesus is pretty famous, but he's famous for dying. His abilities include walking on water, he turning water to wine, bringing the dead back to life, and resurrecting himself after a period of time. The most useful ability on that list is the last one, and it'd probably be about as useful as Heracles' NP, or Koshcei's if he were to become a servant. But because of his non-combatative nature, he'd be near useless to just about anyone who isn't an alcoholic (like Christina). I mean, he's practically Stheno levels of uselessness. At best, Jesus is a healer and a bullet sponge.

Yeah, I concur. He'd probably have an entire army backing him up in there, as per Iskander.




EDIT: UMU!

Power has nothing to do with combat ability. Jesus would be pretty terrible at fighting, but his divine power still makes him incapable of being summoned. The grail's ability to summon someone as a servant has absolutely nothing to do with their ability as a combatant.

 

[Iskandar]

Immensely powerful? Now, I may not be Christian, so please tell me if I'm wrong. But, are you sure we're talking about the same guy? Jesus is pretty famous, but he's famous for dying. His abilities include walking on water, he turning water to wine, bringing the dead back to life, and resurrecting himself after a period of time. The most useful ability on that list is the last one, and it'd probably be about as useful as Heracles' NP, or Koshcei's if he were to become a servant. But because of his non-combatative nature, he'd be near useless to just about anyone who isn't an alcoholic (like Christina). I mean, he's practically Stheno levels of uselessness. At best, Jesus is a healer and a bullet sponge.

Yeah, I concur. He'd probably have an entire army backing him up in there, as per Iskander.




EDIT: UMU!

Yeah, and they'd be from all walks of life, just like Iskandar's. They'd just have guns and stuff.

Oooooooh. Christina and Jesus as a team... now that is a pairing that I would love xD

 

[Iskandar]

Also, shall I start planning the funeral for Assassin Dalamus Ulom and @Ciphrus

UMU

 

[Iskandar]

ALSO SORRY FOR THE SPAM BUT I FOUND THIS GLORIOUS MASTERPIECE

UMU UMU

 

[Godhowsae]

Immensely powerful? Now, I may not be Christian, so please tell me if I'm wrong. But, are you sure we're talking about the same guy? Jesus is pretty famous, but he's famous for dying. His abilities include walking on water, he turning water to wine, bringing the dead back to life, and resurrecting himself after a period of time. The most useful ability on that list is the last one, and it'd probably be about as useful as Heracles' NP, or Koshcei's if he were to become a servant. But because of his non-combatative nature, he'd be near useless to just about anyone who isn't an alcoholic (like Christina). I mean, he's practically Stheno levels of uselessness. At best, Jesus is a healer and a bullet sponge.

Yeah, I concur. He'd probably have an entire army backing him up in there, as per Iskander.




EDIT: UMU!

Keep in mind other things that are not strictly abilities he was shown as using. For example, you could make a NP out of his crown of thorns, or tie the holy lance to him, or his crucifixion. There are SO many different ways to make skills and NP's out of a legend that are not simply "This person had this ability."

 

[Dalamus Ulom]

Power has nothing to do with combat ability. Jesus would be pretty terrible at fighting, but his divine power still makes him incapable of being summoned. The grail's ability to summon someone as a servant has absolutely nothing to do with their ability as a combatant.

I'm saying he's weak. Stheno weak. And divine power? What about Moses? The motherfucker called down plagues, murdererd the first born child of every egyptian in fucking egypt, and litterally SPLIT A SEA FOR MULTIPLE HOURS FOR PEOPLE TO WALK THROUGH TO THE OTHER SIDE.

 

[hudhouse]

Darkholme

 

[hudhouse]

If it wasn't clear, I was just joking around

 

[Girouette]

So uh... Kalin Scarlet were you doing something or waiting on me?

 

[Xel]

I'm saying he's weak. Stheno weak. And divine power? What about Moses? The motherfucker called down plagues, murdererd the first born child of every egyptian in fucking egypt, and litterally SPLIT A SEA FOR MULTIPLE HOURS FOR PEOPLE TO WALK THROUGH TO THE OTHER SIDE.

Again, repeating myself. Combat ability is irrelevant here. The point is Jesus is beyond the Grail's ability to summon. It doesn't matter how well he'd perform in combat. It matters whether the grail has the ability to pull him into a servant container, and it doesn't. You're conflating overall divine power with combat ability and that's where your mistake is. And even then, as Godhowsae pointed out a servant's abilities are not tied to what they did in life. There's no legend of King Arthur shooting giant beams at his enemies, and yet excalibur can do it. The sheer divine power coupled with the unparalleled fame Jesus has would breed the most powerful servant ever seen, if you could somehow manage to pull it off without nerfing him to accomplish it. Those things you mentioned for Moses didn't come from him, they came from God. Whereas with Jesus it was his own personal power that could perform miracles. I mean hell, the very concept of him being able to perform miracles is a blank check to do literally anything he wanted. He could just make any attack you performed do zero damage because that's what he wanted.

You don't mess with godly servants rofl, it's a recipe for disaster. Jesus, Zeus, Odin, Gabriel, Loki, Susanoo, etc etc etc. These beings are beyond the Grail's capabilities and they should stay that way.

 

[Girouette]

Do you know who should be more powerful in Fate?

King David.

He should really be a ruler and not an Archer considering he has no wish "Because anything he could wish for, he would pray to god for rather than getting it through the grail"

And Saloman calls him daddy ;3

 

[hudhouse]

Again, repeating myself. Combat ability is irrelevant here. The point is Jesus is beyond the Grail's ability to summon. It doesn't matter how well he'd perform in combat. It matters whether the grail has the ability to pull him into a servant container, and it doesn't. You're conflating overall divine power with combat ability and that's where your mistake is. And even then, as Godhowsae pointed out a servant's abilities are not tied to what they did in life. There's no legend of King Arthur shooting giant beams at his enemies, and yet excalibur can do it. The sheer divine power coupled with the unparalleled fame Jesus has would breed the most powerful servant ever seen, if you could somehow manage to pull it off without nerfing him to accomplish it. Those things you mentioned for Moses didn't come from him, they came from God. Whereas with Jesus it was his own personal power that could perform miracles. I mean hell, the very concept of him being able to perform miracles is a blank check to do literally anything he wanted. He could just make any attack you performed do zero damage because that's what he wanted.

You don't mess with godly servants rofl, it's a recipe for disaster. Jesus, Zeus, Odin, Gabriel, Loki, Susanoo, etc etc etc. These beings are beyond the Grail's capabilities and they should stay that way.

Personality however adds into this. Excaliber was said to be able to slay Dragons, which are the strongest of mythological monsters most of the time. And then you add in the ability to have spells. King Arther showed he could fight...

Jesus shows that he is a support pacifist. He hurt NO BODY... he was made to be perfect. He is immortal in the end, so no pain matters to him in the end. He simply will heal, cure, and enjoy the world around him. A command seal could make him fight, but it would do jack shit because he was never known to fight, instead to do the opposite, which would kill the point/ideal of jesus