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Shepard said:
Yes but if I were to rebuild these vehicles and make them usable, can I use perhaps overcharged fusion cores to power the engines and weapon systems?
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Shuffles toward the door "Er.. well.. you see.. ohh just a moment" exits the room. You here the call "PAT" and the sound of someone legging it
 
General Deth Glitch said:
Heres a secret. Sometimes game design is more important then lore. 


Also I would imagine they wanted both to be amazing armour but were reaching the limit of, pointlessly op.


But I think its just that Power Armor was entirely Redone in FO4 and so while it may be 'powerless' pre-FO4 PA its certainly nothing like new PA. Probably more like Modern combat protection, Kevlar wrapped Ceramic plate. Good, but not the level of FO4 Power armor.
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OH HELL NAH. I WORKED TOO HARD FOR THIS. I HAVE THE EVIDENCE DAMMIT.
 
Shepard said:
*Throws 12 gauge boomstick at @General Deth Glitch's legs as he runs out*
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Most vehicles were powered with miniature nuclear engines, not some sort of fusion core. Vertibirds have been known to use some sort of fuel, presumably oil based, though. These nuclear engines are why vehicles explode when you shoot them so spectacularly.


That basically means it's really complicated to get vehicles other than vertibirds running again (something even the Gunners and Minutemen can do) because you need a guy with a degree in physics to get your cars working, rather than a mechanic. You can't really make vehicles that work either, so everyone mostly has to rely on prewar or Enclave technology. I have trains and railcars that run on biofuels. My other vehicles largely are powered by nuclear engines. So basically, biofuels are the way to go. Maybe steam power. Renewable stuff.
 
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And dammit Deth, the point of the Hermes armor is that it's better than normal combat armor which is sorta like modern protection itself and equal to power armor. And it is dammit. Aside from the Los Angeles Police Department units it's exactly equal if not better than T-45d power armor. It's already so close already with those.
 
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Pat said:
Most vehicles were powered with miniature nuclear engines, not some sort of fusion core. Vertibirds have been known to use some sort of fuel, presumably oil based, though. These nuclear engines are why vehicles explode when you shoot them so spectacularly.


That basically means it's really complicated to get vehicles other than vertibirds running again (something even the Gunners and Minutemen can do) because you need a guy with a degree in physics to get your cars working, rather than a mechanic. You can't really make vehicles that work either, so everyone mostly has to rely on prewar or Enclave technology. I have trains and railcars that run on biofuels. My other vehicles largely are powered by nuclear engines. So basically, biofuels are the way to go. Maybe steam power. Renewable stuff.
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Ah. Okay. Then what does a fusion core consist of exactly? Its obviously able to power the components of power armor.
 
Shepard said:
Ah. Okay. Then what does a fusion core consist of exactly? Its obviously able to power the components of power armor.
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It's just something Bethesda created suddenly using an old reference from a past game. Presumably it's like a large fusion cell. It powers power armor and buildings. Though I think we should take a vote and render that noncanon since it's sorta ridiculous you need multiple fusion cores throughout an hour when previously the fusion cores lasted for like a century. Or we could just say that fusion cores last much longer.
 
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Pat said:
It's just something Bethesda created suddenly using an old reference from a past game. Presumably it's like a large fusion cell. It powers power armor and buildings. Though I think we should take a vote and render that noncanon since it's sorta ridiculous you need multiple fusion cores throughout an hour when previously the fusion cores lasted for like a century. Or we could just say that fusion cores last much longer.
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The article I read said that you could walk in PA for 10 days straight on one fusion core. We could go with that.
 
Oh. And you could definitely have more power armor. There's definitely more than ten suits you could find within Wisconsin, the major population centers of Minnesota, and upper Michigan.
 
General Deth Glitch said:
Pat Combat Armour does not look to have Ceramics in it.
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Army combat armor, or first generation combat armor, would hold true to your claims. Standard combat armor, or second generation combat armor, would be less so with the inclusion of hard armor plates with soft armor woven over and under it along with the many different variants and experimental models, but there is a light, medium, and heavy version that would steadily become more and more effective. Then there's third generation combat armor, otherwise known as advanced combat armor, that is constructed using advanced polymers and can be further reinforced. Then there's the riot gear suits that I have that's above that, the fourth generation. I've proved it to not only exist, but to be equal with T-45d power armor (and nearly so with the LAPD model) and that's further backed that up with the Hermes reference.


http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Combat_armor
 
Apparently, T-51 composite armor can withstand 2500 joules of kinetic energy but A36 Steel can withstand more than 11,000,000 joules..............2017-01-05 (1).png2017-01-05.png
 
Shepard said:
Apparently, T-51 composite armor can withstand 2500 joules of kinetic energy but A36 Steel can withstand more than 11,000,000 joules..............View attachment 231976View attachment 231977
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Also, you could definitely have 40-120 suits of power armor and have it be legit. Though have it be a mix of T-45ds and T-60s and T-52s.


If I were you I would just change the T-52s to T-51ds. Like if the only difference between it and a T-51b is that it's more compact it wouldn't justify having a different number, only a different letter.
 
Pat said:
Also, you could definitely have 40-120 suits of power armor and have it be legit. Though have it be a mix of T-45ds and T-60s and T-52s.


If I were you I would just change the T-52s to T-51ds. Like if the only difference between it and a T-51b is that it's more compact it wouldn't justify having a different number, only a different letter.
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Okay. 


But we're also looking at the fact that it would be far more practical, efficient, and cost effective to switch the composite over to A36 steel. I haven't considered weight yet
 
Shepard said:
Okay. 


But we're also looking at the fact that it would be far more practical, efficient, and cost effective to switch the composite over to A36 steel. I haven't considered weight yet
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Did A36 steel even exist in this timeline?


2500 joules also probably takes into account the coating given to the power armor, that isn't as strong as what's underneath.
 
Pat said:
Did A36 steel even exist in this timeline?
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I don't know. Want to join me in finding the time and conditions by which carbon steel was invented?


I mean, A36 steel is just a form of steel with its iron and carbon balance. Sure you could say that standard issue 12 pound steel plates for body armor wasn't used until the 90s but this is the same steel used in construction and buildings with steel frames go way back
 
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Pat said:
It was invented early enough, but I'm talking about this specific formula.
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You want to find the dates of it, be my guest. I'm going off the fact that it was a mere development of relatively similar steel, thus, it would be invented
 
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