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[CheshireMitsu]

No worries, Kagemi didn't give much to work with =P

Funnier President
There are too little details on the sheet for be to accept your character atm.

Are you familiar with Noragami?

yeah true pretty much "Heres a room, warning: shes dangerous"

 

[QuirkyAngel]

Karcen
There are Christians in Japan even if it's a minor religion that never really took root =P (*coughs at Kami_X wearing a cross*) I've also allowed for foreign gods...

yeah true pretty much "Heres a room, warning: shes dangerous"

I see. But it remains that I cannot yet accept your character as there is very little to go on in terms of details.

 

[Funnier President]

Fair enough- Ill add more details

 

[QuirkyAngel]

Fair enough- Ill add more details

I'd also follow Karcen's advice and brush up on Noragami for some ideas^^

 

[Karcen]

Karcen
There are Christians in Japan even if it's a minor religion that never really took root =P (*coughs at Kami_X wearing a cross*) I've also allowed for foreign gods...

I just said it never really took root i know well that about 3% of those in japan are Christian of some form, just saying it likely isn't enough to sustain multiple gods and those there like shorn would get adopted/ adapted.

 

[QuirkyAngel]

I just said it never really took root i know well that about 3% of those in japan are Christian of some form, just saying it likely isn't enough to sustain multiple gods and those there like shorn would get adopted/ adapted.

The Kami_X religion has even less followers than Christianity in Japan...and foreign invaders are always a problem according to Heaven <.< Lol, but yeah, Shorn was reincarnated then taken in by Ayame.

Shinto religion is basically that many gods exist as Kami, which is why the merging/syncretism of Buddhism works =P I'm guessing the same could apply to any western religion and a 'church' is pretty much a shrine. There's nothing saying that Jesus from across the waters can't have regalias either...not that I'm allowing anyone to play Jesus. There are too many complications with that <.<

 

[Karcen]

still the character seemed to rooted in Christian as a god of light and angels

i tend to think the gods have spheres of influence and any foreign god that can dislodge the local gods must adapt and change to fit the local idea of a god

 

[QuirkyAngel]

still the character seemed to rooted in Christian as a god of light and angels

Haha, yeah, I can understand your dissatisfaction with that. That's why I'm not going to accept anything until I get further details. The more complicated the god, the more info i need. 'Angels' for example. What are they? Gods? Regalias? You can't really be god of 'regalias' unless it's a funky title that doesn't mean much (like Lord of info larceny lol). Light is fine. Amaterasu is sun goddess, which is basically a light-giving goddess.

Izanagi (in my mind at least) is basically the god of light and life as a creation deity if one follows the lore in which he promised to give 1000 lives for every 1000 Izanami took away lol. It's a nice contrast to Izanami's 'darkness' (which I can imagine both playing a part in creation) and he did make the Sun goddess u-u

 

[Karcen]

Haha, yeah, I can understand your dissatisfaction with that. That's why I'm not going to accept anything until I get further details. The more complicated the god, the more info i need. 'Angels' for example. What are they? Gods? Regalias? You can't really be god of 'regalias' unless it's a funky title that doesn't mean much (like Lord of info larceny lol). Light is fine. Amaterasu is sun goddess, which is basically a light-giving goddess.

Izanagi (in my mind at least) is basically the god of light and life as a creation deity if one follows the lore in which he promised to give 1000 lives for every 1000 Izanami took away lol. It's a nice contrast to Izanami's 'darkness' (which I can imagine both playing a part in creation) and he did make the Sun goddess u-u

izanami wasn't bad or anything till she died

 

[QuirkyAngel]

izanami wasn't bad or anything till she died

Yes, but why is 'darkness' bad? ^^

 

[Karcen]

Yes, but why is 'darkness' bad? ^^

mostly the bringing death into the world and falling into the dark corrupt yomi thats just normal human story telling coming from a long time of needing to fear the dark because of possible predators

 

[QuirkyAngel]

mostly the bringing death into the world and falling into the dark corrupt yomi thats just normal human story telling coming from a long time of needing to fear the dark because of possible predators

Haha, well I'm letting you play Izanami so feel free to design what you want with her.

Stuff like 'light', 'dark', 'water', 'fire', etc are all just elements/themes. Nagi is a minor wind god compared to a big-name like Fuujin. Ryuujin is the sea/water. The god that 'killed' Izanami is a fire god. Raijin is lightening. *shrug* Just makes sense to me that light and dark would be a pair that's needed for creation =P But yeah, it's just a theme I'm going with for abilities. He is what people believes him to be^^

That might not be what Izanami was, but that's what she is right now lol. The goddess that can name (with the brush she makes) and control phantoms living in the dark, complicated pits of Yomi

 

[Karcen]

Haha, well I'm letting you play Izanami so feel free to design what you want with her.

Stuff like 'light', 'dark', 'water', 'fire', etc are all just elements/themes. Nagi is a minor wind god compared to a big-name like Fuujin. Ryuujin is the sea/water. The god that 'killed' Izanami is a fire god. Raijin is lightening. *shrug* Just makes sense to me that light and dark would be a pair that's needed for creation =P But yeah, it's just a theme I'm going with for abilities. He is what people believes him to be^^

That might not be what Izanami was, but that's what she is right now lol. The goddess that can name (with the brush she makes) and control phantoms living in the dark, complicated pits of Yomi

We will see different cultures different ideas

 

[QuirkyAngel]

i tend to think the gods have spheres of influence and any foreign god that can dislodge the local gods must adapt and change to fit the local idea of a god

I don't know about dislodging lol. There can be many gods that occupy the same niche in Shinto. Watasumi is a the major water deity in Japan, but Otohime, Suijin, and all other water related gods are technically water gods (including the Kappa). Japan has multiple rice gods (cause they love rice^^) and dosajin dieties are all road protectors. Shinto is a religion of multiple gods that live together in harmony (sometimes~). Major and minor is dependent on how popular they are, but they can get along like Inari and Seiichi because they are helping humans for the same thing. Why wouldn't they get along (unless they want to monopolize the wishes, but as Inari says she got too many =P). I imagine both Amaterasu, Izanagi, Tsukiyomi, Amatsu, to be light related-giving gods, but the later two are also tied to the night (with Tsukiyomi to be considered by some to be the 'Ruler of the Night' to Amaterasu's 'day'). God of Heroes and Men (Susanoo) was basically the sea god in lore until he pissed of Izanagi by crying about his mom (causing a storm) then got himself punished lol. I'm also letting players design their own gods (which could be god of literally anything)...but they probably aren't going to be major gods of it in Japan if there is already a well-known Japanese version. I have no problems with players creating relationships with whatever already exists in Japanese lore though^^

Gods can also change niches, though I'm looking at wish they were born from for abilities/skills. Yato is a culling god that's making himself become a 'delivery' god lol. Any god could 'switch' niches if they want, but they aren't going to be more well-known for than an already established god that's born for it (with the skill). Ryuujin didn't become a 'war god' until he joined the Heavens lol. Even then, he's not the well-known 'war god' that Hachiman is. He's just part of Heaven's Army (though no one dares give him a low rank~)

 

[Karcen]

I don't know about dislodging lol. There can be many gods that occupy the same niche in Shinto. Watasumi is a the major water deity in Japan, but Otohime, Suijin, and all other water related gods are technically water gods (including the Kappa). Japan has multiple rice gods (cause they love rice^^) and dosajin dieties are all road protectors. Shinto is a religion of multiple gods that live together in harmony (sometimes~). Major and minor is dependent on how popular they are, but they can get along like Inari and Seiichi because they are helping humans for the same thing. Why wouldn't they get along (unless they want to monopolize the wishes, but as Inari says she got too many =P). I imagine both Amaterasu, Izanagi, Tsukiyomi, Amatsu, to be light related-giving gods, but the later two are also tied to the night (with Tsukiyomi to be considered by some to be the 'Ruler of the Night' to Amaterasu's 'day'). God of Heroes and Men (Susanoo) was basically the sea god in lore until he pissed of Izanagi by crying about his mom (causing a storm) then got himself punished lol. I'm also letting players design their own gods (which could be god of literally anything)...but they probably aren't going to be major gods of it in Japan if there is already a well-known Japanese version. I have no problems with players creating relationships with whatever already exists in Japanese lore though^^

Gods can also change niches, though I'm looking at wish they were born from for abilities/skills. Yato is a culling god that's making himself become a 'delivery' god lol. Any god could 'switch' niches if they want, but they aren't going to be more well-known for than an already established god that's born for it (with the skill). Ryuujin didn't become a 'war god' until he joined the Heavens lol. Even then, he's not the well-known 'war god' that Hachiman is. He's just part of Heaven's Army (though no one dares give him a low rank~)

actually i was referring to how in the managa there were gods of an older none shito religion around who the shinto gods dislodged and replaced with shinto over taking it. By dislodge i meant like Christianity coming in and over taking shinto as the primary religion. If gods of one religion can't replace the religion of the land then they are adapted by it.

 

[QuirkyAngel]

actually i was referring to how in the managa there were gods of an older none shito religion around who the shinto gods dislodged and replaced with shinto over taking it. By dislodge i meant like Christianity coming in and over taking shinto as the primary religion. If gods of one religion can't replace the religion of the land then they are adapted by it.

Haha, if Christianity wanted to dislodge Shinto, they'd have to take on ALL the gods in Takamagahara (otherwise known as Shinto/Japanese Heaven). Japan did have a history with Christianity so I can imagine Heaven/Takamagahara had a war with some foreign gods then (like they did with the Emishi) and I'm guess they won (since Christianity is not dominant in Japan^^). Christian gods could come live in Japan if they want to emigrate lol, but taking over ALL of Japan by themselves is highly unlikely...especially since the Japanese people already have a rooted belief. This is also the new era. Older gods might hate foreigners, but gods like Kami_X don't care Let's just all live together in Japan lol~

One god from Christianity moving in does not mean Christianity has taken over. That's like saying one priest can change everyone's mind and make Azani-omikami the most popular god in Japan lol. Travel God (Nagi) has been all over the world (and back). His home is still Japan (even if he helps foreigners every now and then, it's not like they remember him=P)

 

[Karcen]

Haha, if Christianity wanted to dislodge Shinto, they'd have to take on ALL the gods in Takamagahara (otherwise known as Shinto/Japanese Heaven). Japan did have a history with Christianity so I can imagine Heaven/Takamagahara had a war with some foreign gods then (like they did with the Emishi) and I'm guess they won (since Christianity is not dominant in Japan^^). Christian gods could come live in Japan if they want to emigrate lol, but taking over ALL of Japan by themselves is highly unlikely...especially since the Japanese people already have a rooted belief. This is also the new era. Older gods might hate foreigners, but gods like Kami_X don't care Let's just all live together in Japan lol~

One god from Christianity moving in does not mean Christianity has taken over. That's like saying one priest can change everyone's mind and make Azani-omikami the most popular god in Japan lol. Travel God (Nagi) has been all over the world (and back). His home is still Japan (even if he helps foreigners every now and then, it's not like they remember him=P)

kind of my point

 

[QuirkyAngel]

kind of my point

Right. So there's no saying a god of 'angels and light' can't live in Japan (be accepted).

They just wouldn't be very well known (like Kami_X)...but I have no idea what type of character Zeno is trying to make. A popular character among the Christian minority? One who's trying to pick a fight with Japanese Heaven? Someone who hates Jesus and wants to join with the Kami of Japan lol? If they're going to use 'angels' I also want a bit more detail on that matter of what angels are and what they generally do as a god. Are they just called the 'god of angels' because they look like an angel? I wouldn't be surprised if some spiritual humans saw Azani flying through the sky on her black wings and thought 'Bird/Angel of Death' Titles are titles. Zeno has too little details on their character for me to judge.

 

[VeiledPariah]

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[Karcen]

All depends on how monotheistic relgions work

 

[VeiledPariah]

Striving to get Ame and Susanoo posts complete before breaks over for y’all

 

[Karcen]

It's mostly the angels thing that is odd as angels tend to happen in monotheistic 1 gid only God relgiobs so a god born of a relgion that says one gid to be a god of beings that the one and only god of the relgion is already god of is odd. At least to me.

 

[QuirkyAngel]

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We don't debate all that often =P In fact, I think we're mostly agreeing.

All depends on how monotheistic relgions work

There are many issues with Zeno's character, starting with having destroyed a good chunk of western religion by saying 'all the angels died', but they don't even get past the enough detail requirement of the CS yet, so I'm just refraining from commenting until I get a full idea of the type of character he wants to make =P Can't give ideas otherwise.

It's mostly the angels thing that is odd as angels tend to happen in monotheistic 1 gid only God relgiobs so a god born of a relgion that says one gid to be a god of beings that the one and only god of the relgion is already god of is odd. At least to me.

Monotheistic is 1 god, yep, but other religions can have 'angels' as well. And I have no idea if some people consider 'angels' to be a type of minor god...though I also pretty much see them as the really powerful regalias of a single entity who has occupied a good portion of the 'Western' world *shrug*

But the truth of the matter is that the world is a huge place. America is a mix-pot of religions, even if there is a dominant one. That's pretty much true of most countries. Each religion has their own beliefs and forms of worship/prayer/rituals, etc.

The only rules I'm sticking to are the Noragami ones and that's - regalias, borderlines, phantoms. Holy grail is a regalia as much as Poseidon's trident. Players can design their god any way they want (including making up their own mumbo jumbo religion), but they don't get to significantly alter one that already exists (least of all one as popular as Christianity)

 

[Karcen]

We don't debate all that often =P In fact, I think we're mostly agreeing.



There are many issues with Zeno's character, starting with having destroyed a good chunk of western religion by saying 'all the angels died', but they don't even get past the enough detail requirement of the CS yet, so I'm just refraining from commenting until I get a full idea of the type of character he wants to make =P Can't give ideas otherwise.



Monotheistic is 1 god, yep, but other religions can have 'angels' as well. And I have no idea if some people consider 'angels' to be a type of minor god...though I also pretty much see them as the really powerful regalias of a single entity who has occupied a good portion of the 'Western' world *shrug*

But the truth of the matter is that the world is a huge place. America is a mix-pot of religions, even if there is a dominant one. That's pretty much true of most countries. Each religion has their own beliefs and forms of worship/prayer/rituals, etc.

The only rules I'm sticking to are the Noragami ones and that's - regalias, borderlines, phantoms. Holy grail is a regalia as much as Poseidon's trident. Players can design their god any way they want (including making up their own mumbo jumbo religion), but they don't get to significantly alter one that already exists (least of all one as popular as Christianity)

Dont tempt me to make Excalibur as a regalia coming to Japan as a vacation

 

[QuirkyAngel]

Slipping yourself in Shinto is the easiest...since Shinto is basically anything can be a Kami (God) lol (and there are some 8 million+) of them...but I can also see how 'angel' is the word often used in Catholicism/Christianity so it's tied to Monotheism. By definition, 'angels' are pretty much just the servant of gods...so it's the western word for regalia lol (or a minor god working for a major one =P). God of 'angels and light' is obviously not Jesus (or the Father)...so it could be deviant version of Christianity *shrug* Really though, I can't imagine Rika knowing about a belief in which all the angels died lmao and she's a fairly regular human/Japanese girl in modern times where the internet exists.

Dont tempt me to make Excalibur as a regalia coming to Japan as a vacation

lol, let's not unless you're really out of ideas

But I wouldn't be opposed to it.