General Discussion [Dreams of the Third Age]

[QUOTE="MaHaSuchi's700]Yes, I'm uneasy about it, but mainly also because it will be pretty easy to figure out (see Seeker's comment). The question comes as to why your character feels the need to do so. If it's his approach, cool. I take it then he wasn't part of the group of DTs that took down the Silver Prince?

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As for why .. it's part of his plan to be accepted (tolerated is probably better word) I wrote about it earlier.


Correct, he haven't took part in this and he isn't heavy hitter nor of strong warrior spirit.
 
Ludek said:
As for why .. it's part of his plan to be accepted (tolerated is probably better word) I wrote about it earlier.
Correct, he haven't took part in this and he isn't heavy hitter nor of strong warrior spirit.
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Misleading people to get accepted backfires pretty much every time.
 
lsd, esd, possibly believe, you need to repurchase multiple times to copy exalts and it is usually pretty tough to pull off. It's more useful for when you need to disguise yourself as an exalt for a short amount of time. I don't think we have some people with higher level solars investigation/awareness charms but these ones cannot be fooled in any shape or forms. The near perfect copy of an exalt is Black Mirror Shintai but well with it you become the antithesis of the exalt intimacies and motivation included.
 
Esbilon said:
Amoth City-Smiter's office is in Yu-Shan. Infiltration there will probably be non-CoDs only. I'm quite sure the Celestial Lions aren't fooled since you are still that, but if you know a back way in that might be ideal.
As for lying to the PCs, I really don't think that's a good idea. PCs (and their players) usually take lying pretty hard. Like calling it "betrayal" and all sorts of silly things. I don't think I've ever seen it done well.
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Re: CoD - I can appear as non CoD person. Still holly effects hurt as usual.


Re: Lying .. that's why I'm open about this to Players and i expect fail with my cover at some point. Besides After talking Witness to Darkness (basic TED charm) it's extremely difficult not to play deceitful/shady person. So this whole plan was/is very natural for PC.


It's rather late here, so I'm going to sleep. See you tomorrow.
 
MaHaSuchi's700]Take a point or two out of Willpower. Remember said:
Esbilon,[/URL]WarDragon,JayTee
Regarding stealing from Amoth City Smiter. Can I assume that all of your characters were on it?


If yes can it happen in following way:


Whole thing happened about 2 years ago.Not sure how PC of Esbilon and JayTee got together but they were together when JayTee contacted me(we meet about year earlier) and arranged meeting where I agreed to participate. The we departed to Gem where deed took place.


I'm not sure how WarDragon PC fits there either he came along JayTee or I managed to meet this PC earlier and introduce him to party.


If the second should happen. Maybe our PC(mine and WarDragon's) meet somewhere in Southeast, seeking some fairly famous artifact or better Manse relating to our previous incarnations. Since none of us took manse background let's say that we have found manse but was not functional since dragonlines changed so much that whole thing was just ordinary building. Still there was some treasure with we ... reluctantly shared. Since I approach you under solar disguise and you wasn't hiding your nature so maybe your status as Infernal fugitive (I assume that by that time you were AWOL) came up.
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Yeah, this works. Two years ago would have been after I broke from the Yozis, but before I went Devil Tiger. This might even have been an event that helped shape my Primordial self. Entirely plausible that I'd have met Kyros or Verlain at some point... Viktor would find Kyros annoying, but possible to work with. I don't have any dots in Past Life either, so I doubt I remember enough to find something that belonged to my Exaltation's First Age host... not that I wouldn't seek out something like that I heard rumor of anyway. Otherwise, I guess I'd have taken my share of whatever loot in cash or easily liquidated assets rather than Artifacts.


The Creature of Darkness problem is a bit trickier, though. Maybe one of the Solars on Kyros' crew went in ahead and found us a back door?
 
I'll have the addition of the 5 free excellencies and free spells in a couple minutes, only thing missing would be the Manse points allocation, but other than that I should be ready to begin.
 
Finished up crazy busy of the last 4 days! Itching to put some of my background ideas on paper, but have guests this evening. I will be sure to carve out time to get things in order before the weekend though. ^_^
 
Goddamnbatman said:
lsd, esd, possibly believe, you need to repurchase multiple times to copy exalts and it is usually pretty tough to pull off. It's more useful for when you need to disguise yourself as an exalt for a short amount of time. I don't think we have some people with higher level solars investigation/awareness charms but these ones cannot be fooled in any shape or forms. The near perfect copy of an exalt is Black Mirror Shintai but well with it you become the antithesis of the exalt intimacies and motivation included.
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I'm not sure if understand correctly, you mean that I would need multiple purchases of LSD/ESM I know nothing about it, besides Black Mirror(with my PC wouldn't use because of serve personality changes).


There is Abbysal charm in Larceny that allows to impersonate Solar (there is mirror for Solars) called Solar Impersonation Style that allows to impersonate Solars (it can't be made up one) and to use own charms making them look like Solar ones (with is pointed as most important power) maybe you think about that one.


And at last there is sorcery that allows to falsify caste and anima outlook. It's terrestial spell Disguise of the New Face but it's very weak in rollofs.


Unfortunately ESM just tells one interesting me thing that it allows to make appear ESM user's motes to be of Solar aspect and to falsify magical traits. So i need your ruling/clarification, since charm description isn't clear.


As for piercing this disguise I believe that charms giving magical sense/ability to scan can trigger rollof but LSD/ESM should usually win that (assuming all else equal).


I can tell about one thing that can reliably pierce LSD/ESM it's Solar awareness charm Eye of Unconquered Sun still triggers rollof but should be able to pierce disguise.
 
WarDragon said:
Yeah, this works. Two years ago would have been after I broke from the Yozis, but before I went Devil Tiger. This might even have been an event that helped shape my Primordial self. Entirely plausible that I'd have met Kyros or Verlain at some point... Viktor would find Kyros annoying, but possible to work with. I don't have any dots in Past Life either, so I doubt I remember enough to find something that belonged to my Exaltation's First Age host... not that I wouldn't seek out something like that I heard rumor of anyway. Otherwise, I guess I'd have taken my share of whatever loot in cash or easily liquidated assets rather than Artifacts.


The Creature of Darkness problem is a bit trickier, though. Maybe one of the Solars on Kyros' crew went in ahead and found us a back door?
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Re: Verlan & Viktor meeting earlier


Well, there could been race among Scavengers Lords who will find say White Tower Manse, we could be one who won and shared spoils. You can sell artifacts to the Guild (I believe there is someone high in Guild's ranks who does that), but if you would prefer more liquid part of the loot no problem.


Re: Viktor CoD status and getting Haven


Hm.. I'm ok with that but I'm not sure If we can invent ways to get into Heaven bypassing Celestial Lions, maybe ask ST
 
It appears like solar motes, yeah it would act like one. Getting into heaven for CoD is difficult but not impossible, just got to do it very carefully, probably easiest way for a fiend with LSD and ESD is to look like a God. The celestial lions can be tricked, it's not easy but considering the high essence level in play, it wouldn't be impossible.
 
Goddamnbatman said:
It appears like solar motes, yeah it would act like one. Getting into heaven for CoD is difficult but not impossible, just got to do it very carefully, probably easiest way for a fiend with LSD and ESD is to look like a God. The celestial lions can be tricked, it's not easy but considering the high essence level in play, it wouldn't be impossible.
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The question is if it's a risk the solar PCs would take for a dubious gain. And Viktor's CoD status may have come up.
 
Probably not worth the effort. The everyday celestial lion is e5 and pretty much a beast. There are a couple of stronger celestial lions and in Yu Shan, it's one of the rare places, where you can actually meet fifth rank god, who are only one head down from the Incarnae in power or the Raksha Warlord.
 
Hmm. Yeah, I'm probably not getting into Yu-Shan with my toolset. Still open to working together on some other projects, though... Could have used my old contacts to help fence the loot, maybe?
 
How does this sound for an anima power? Stripped of the necessary fluff...


Enemies take -1 External penalty to hit (fear, 5wp/scene to resist; as per Dawn)


Automatically counts as a scene building an intimacy of fear or awe towards me.


+(Essence/2) to soak; maybe just +2 if that's too much.


Claim ownership of someone's possessions upon killing them (does not speed up artifact attunement).
 
Probably 5m, the standard for Solaroids, and free after it hits the 11+m level? For the fear + soak parts, at least.... the claiming ownership should probably cost an extra mote per use.
 
Where would you put that one? I tried to make it roughly analagous to the revised Dawn anima, as a balance point.


Also, someone confirm this one way or the other for me... I could swear I remember seeing a trick somewhere that involved stacking the Gargantuan mutation multiple times, but nothing in the text of the mutation that I have says it can do so. Is this allowed, or is my memory playing tricks on me?
 
Gargantuan mutation? Do you mean the Huge>Large mutation? if that's the one the stacking rule you're looking for it's in the Wyld book if I'm not mistaken.
 
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