General Discussion [Dreams of the Third Age]

More general chargen questions!


Would you allow hearthstone bracers to get a second magical material bonus for an extra artifact dot?


I assume that as rebels from the Reclamation, we don't get the free dots of Backing, Cult, and Influence from a Yozi's patronage?
 
Not true. If you eat one when it says explicitly you can, and note not all shintai sit alone not with an excellency gate... then well nom shintai. It is unavoidable. I'm not paying for two Excellencies.
 
Then you'll need to buy a second Shintai that doesn't require an Excellency. It says you can eat it, yes... but later Charms in the tree still require two of them, and Triumphant Howl does not say that the cannibalized Charms can still be used to qualify for prerequisites.
 
>> That sounds silly. That means moving into other Yozi. A thing I cannot do easily or even want. Oo


If true then I'll have to reconsider the whole entire build. From scratch. In which case I may as well just not.
 
Remember; we get 45 starting Charms, that don't care about favored/unfavored costs. Kimberry has a Shintai with six prerequisites, and Malfeas has one that you're only two Charms away from.


Also, it looks like you've shorted yourself two Charms somewhere. It says you have 4 Malfeas charms, but I only count 3; and Ebon Dragon says 13, but you only list 12. So you can pretty easily grab Devil Tyrant Avatar Shintai without giving anything up, even if you never intend to use it.
 
JayTee said:
Your call. Part of Kyros's plot is that he makes things slightly easier for people by antagonizing antagonists, thus forcing them to expend valuable resources to chase him down and try (and inevitably fail) to take him out. It could be you came across him when he was in the middle of a fight with the Storm Mothers (who he also likes to annoy and who hate him with a passion) on his way to start carpet bombing the latest incursion by the First and Forsaken Lion.
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So little random violence on poor antagonists? :) No problem , let's say it was 3 years ago, you had to make some repairs & resupply in Paragon. I learned about you and discerned your nature(I assume you don't do much hiding) and being nice guy alway wiling to score good points I helped you. I also could point you infrastructure of local bad guys ( First and Forsaken Lion's) I happened to know. I Probably took part in bombing run but I wasn't useful in fight (PC is little bit of coward) - truth is my PC just went to get to know you and your comrades better. Since then now and then you could use my help (information really and resupply , repairs maybe bit of upgrades) in southern threshold. If you have access to catsing infallible messenger we could meet semi-reliably if you would send me message encoded with proper codewords ( more than bit paranoid I know but it's my PC not me) and I happen to use person you knew (I would approach you as Moor Solar Eclipse)
 
I really don't want DTAS. If I so take it. Its going into the never use pile.


Edit: Also! What the heck, ask a question but already know the answer!... *grumble.*
 
*shrug* Just trying to help by pointing out your options. There really isn't any other low-hanging fruit to be had among Shintais. The Cece's other one requires her Excellency, and SWLiHN's and Kimbery's are both much deeper in. The only other one I see that might help you is Splintered Gale Shintai, which does fit with your theme of birthing things. You would have to drop two other charms or six bonus points to pay for it, though, since it has three prerequisites.
 
Hmmm actually thinking on it... By Rage Recast... makes for good influence on one of Syrenica's trees... oO


Oooh And gale... I can eat some of the unneeded Ebon Dragon Charms at that point... (Decisions... decisions...)
 
WarDragon said:
*shrug* Just trying to help by pointing out your options. There really isn't any other low-hanging fruit to be had among Shintais. The Cece's other one requires her Excellency, and SWLiHN's and Kimbery's are both much deeper in. The only other one I see that might help you is Splintered Gale Shintai, which does fit with your theme of birthing things. You would have to drop two other charms or six bonus points to pay for it, though, since it has three prerequisites.
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Actually Splintered Gale have some connection to birthing things. One option not sure if avalliable at first purchase, gives option to birth demon-bloded clone of you. It's female only option.
 
It is indeed available at first purchase! And they're Half-caste, not Demon-blooded... though who knows what charmset that gives access to for Infernals' kids.
 
Mmm... Yes.... I'm getting for the first time ever Adjoran Charms.


Edit: Corrections made. Thanks for the help. Sorry I was a little short. Rough day and all.
 
[QUOTE="Seeker of the End]My character was supposed to be the first DT so I could take a mentorship role if necessary. I could also say that we're sticking to together as a group of DTs that aren't working for the Yozis. Alternatively, we could be one of the 5 (including the canon infernal turned DT) DTs in existence. That would make use completely badass for taking down the Silver Prince with a 5/4-man team. It's up to the rest of you though.

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Sorry I overlook this post.


I don't think I got into group killing silver prince because PC isn't combative (he is coward really and he doesn't have good combat charms I think).


PC probably broke record in shortest time between exaltation and going AWOL (three months after calibration in third year after empress disappearance) so he was seen only by handful of Infernals .. he just got his surgery(artifacts), bit of training and by next calibration it was evident that he isn't coming back. But you could be among those who saw me (and I saw you).


Anyway I'm not sure if my PC's liberal approach to honestly would sit well with you Judge instincts if we meet latter, most likely it would create some tension. And I want to point out PC is affraid of Infernals .. loyalist ones but how he can tell if one went renegade or not.


So I could approach Silver Prince domain after his fall (after I learned about it and decided to investigate) .. and somehow decide to reveal his nature.


What I could learn about your PC during my PC's time in Malfeas? Just seeking good reason for approaching you.


Just a thought I really needed help of specialist of your kind (and I knew from my Malfeas time about that) .. damage specialist maybe ..say I was pursued by persistent (and annoyingly competent) Abbysal. Went to Silver Prince domain saw you and tricked you into helping me - suits my PC best, or just attempt to buy help is there anything I could knew you would really want?


Anyway could it happen about 1.5 years ago? last Year I plan to make my PC perform it's DT transformations (all in one go) in the wyld.
 
Again I apologize for earlier. I really feel stupid, feeling so dumb, and causing a ruckus... anyway... stupid day aside...


A concept for Imperfection. Syrenica's current one is sloppy and not all that good. So I have concept that I need to know if feasible. Would a imperfection with this work: +4m surcharge to those with a positive Intimacy, +2m surcharge on those with a negative intimacy?
 
Right. The intimacies in this regard would be in someway towards her. So and so who really likes her... but well stabs her in the back would make it harder or more pricy to defend as opposed to so and so who never really liked her or hates her outright. (Now with that said I'm still working it out. How a positive intimacy allows for such action I'm not clear on.)
 
Ok, just to make sure I'm understanding this right, if the target has an intimacy towards you (either positive or negative) you pay a surcharge to defend against them?


This is tricky, is the surcharge applied regardless of wether she knows of the intimacy or not? Potentially how many people would you encounter with such an intimacy? Just an idea, how about anyone that has a positive intimacy towards you (or maybe viceversa, you have them as a positive intimacy) automatically trumps your defense? ala Holy effect vs Ebon Dragon defense. Which would explain a deep betrayal from someone you love and how you're powerless to prevent such backstabbing.
 
[QUOTE="Lord-Leafar]Ok, just to make sure I'm understanding this right, if the target has an intimacy towards you (either positive or negative) you pay a surcharge to defend against them?

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By concept yes.

[QUOTE="Lord-Leafar]This is tricky, is the surcharge applied regardless of wether she knows of the intimacy or not? Potentially how many people would you encounter with such an intimacy?

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As for this, I'm not so sure. It would be hard to determine if she knows or not. (Lots of Read Motivation rolls? xD ) Anyway conceptually her Dancing/Enthralling tree will have intimacy boosters, defenders, and granters (Conceptually).

[QUOTE="Lord-Leafar]Just an idea, how about anyone that has a positive intimacy towards you (or maybe viceversa, you have them as a positive intimacy) automatically trumps your defense? ala Holy effect vs Ebon Dragon defense. Which would explain a deep betrayal from someone you love and how you're powerless to prevent such backstabbing.

[/QUOTE] I like this idea. Nod nod. Seems if nothing else less convoluted than the old concept. I think I'll work on that instead.
 
All of this talk about Devil Tigers makes me glad to stick to my tried and true Lunars. No offense to anyone.
 
Perhaps this was brought up before and I missed it... why do Solars/Abyssals/Infernals get so many fewer Charms compared to Lunars and Sidereals? I know they're better, but 2/3 again as many?


I'm in the same situation Myllinnia was earlier, trying desperately to see how I can squeeze in any cool stuff after getting basic prerequisites. Damn Heuristic Logos Shintai takes up a lot of space... almost half my entire charm allotment, and it's the only one that even remotely fits my character that's not in Malfeas.
 
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