fighting deathlords

Safim said:
Sorrow said:
The strange thing is that 1000 terrestial attacking all at once wouyldn't be able to do the job.  The lion would just use a persistant defense and some other persistant effects and then slay them all.
Question is: Can you parry attacks from implosion bows and essence cannons, with a normal parry action? :)


However if the DB's attacked in waves of lets say 40-60 each time he would be forced to use his charms again and again draining his willpower.


The funny thing is that in the 2nd edition the new mask of winters would be even harder to defeat. He has an arftifact weapon that can supply him with 2 health levels per hit!
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Why would he be forced to use his charms again? A scene doesn't end when you retreat and instantly attack again... and if you give him time he regenerates essence, too. it is not like persistent effects cost a lot.


and if the dragon blooded retreat... he might just counterattack.
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Well then they shouldn't instantly strike back :wink: .


Let some time pass and then send the next wave.


I am not saying it will be easy but at some point he will be drained of willpower... I hope.


How can he quickly regenarate essence without entering combat?
 
Unless there's significant downtime inbetween, I'd rule that as being the same battle, and thus the same scene.
 
Solfi said:
FaFL FTW!
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Exactly. You can nay kill the beast who eats DBs for breakfast. Seriously, in one on one, your army=FUCKED. Hell of an epic scene to think of as Darth-er, Lion strides over the literal PILE of dead DBs and men at his feet.
 
Solfi said:
FaFL FTW!
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Exactly. You can nay kill the beast who eats DBs for breakfast. Seriously, in one on one, your army=FUCKED. Hell of an epic scene to think of as Darth-er, Lion strides over the literal PILE of dead DBs and men at his feet.
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ehhh


if the deathlords were unbeatable then their isn't much of a story.


deathlords conquer creation and turn it into a giant shadowland.
 
Well duh.  :lol:
Seriously, who gives a fuck? It's just musing.
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i know i am just saying that without a hope of victory then what is the point of playing. to make the deathlords a real nemisis their has to be a chance no matter how small that their power can be defeated. if they are invincible then why bother fighting them.
 
I hardly use them anymore so eh. I use Terrestrials, Fae and mortals as my foes anymore unless people want real epic games, then I beaak out the MF or DLs then.
 
orionstark1482 said:
Solfi said:
FaFL FTW!
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Exactly. You can nay kill the beast who eats DBs for breakfast. Seriously, in one on one, your army=FUCKED. Hell of an epic scene to think of as Darth-er, Lion strides over the literal PILE of dead DBs and men at his feet.
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ehhh


if the deathlords were unbeatable then their isn't much of a story.


deathlords conquer creation and turn it into a giant shadowland.
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The reason this hasn't happened yet is because they can't regenarate essence in creation. Also dragonblooded aren't the only protectors of creation, sidereals, lunars, gods they can pose a serious threat to a deathlord who can't regenarate essence naturally.
 
Well, one, Heaven WILL shut itself up when ol' FaFL comes a knockin' they did it for the Autobots. So he came in afterwards. So Siddie's are up in the air. Plus, Gods, except for the high essence war gods and units of Aerial Legion...well, all the others can take a piss. Unless FaFL makes a mad bet with Plentimon, I don't think much in the space of gods will scare him.


As for Lunars, I've always wanted to see him square off with Ma-Ha.
 
Problem with that is, the Lunars aren't dumb. If the FaFL is marching across Creation, defeating him becomes a matter of survival and protecting one's own, rather than honourable combat. In Silver Pact terms, attacking him one-on-one is a loss of Succor and Cunning, not a gain in Mettle or Glory.


So it wouldn't be FaFL vs. Ma-Ha. It'd be FaFL vs. Ma-Ha, Leviathan, Raksi, Tamuz, Lilith... well, the list goes on. They have Celestial Circle Sorcery, after all; they can get around.
 
Not really. He'd still look stupid from attacking him in the first place. Even if he won, he'd still have been risking too much when he didn't have to.
 
I imagine this would be when ol' whale boy cracks Luthe and give out those shiny toys he's been sitting on for so long. Aside from Raksi and Tamuz, I don't really know if Ma-Ha would even count against FaFL, sure he's smart, cunning. I'll give him that. But guerilla warfare goes only so far against an enemy who CANNOT be demoralized. Those shambling ranks just can't. And I'm sure FaFL can get around just as well. He'd probably go a huntin' if he heard a few Lunars wanted to protract a war of attrition on him. Besides, if they shapeshift, it'll help em escape sure, but he's on a scortched earth policy. NOTHING lives in the blight he brings.


He'll kill them eventually unless those Lunars have the luck of Hades. Seriously. In the end, unless you get some dedicated mf'ers who want to find his weakness or actually kill him for the forfeit of their lives, he won't go down. And the weakness won't be easy. Everyone seems to make it that way from some I've talked to. Sure it's an epic quest but it usually relies on something inane.


I digress. I'm simply saying, the Lunars will have to step up, yes. But I don't think they'd be doing that great, most certainly better than most factions in Creation But let's face it. The Siddies won't be able to do shit. They'll mend and tweak fate to fuck him over a number of times, ncurring paradox and he'll come knocking on the Gates which he's sure to remember where SOME are. And it won't be a good say then. Kejak and the others may be master warriors on their own, but they're fragile and the Gods will mount a brave defense. Only thing that can truly topple his ass is in Heaven is when the Incarna and war gods slut him for interrupting Xbox Live.
 
Fine then; bust out all the Silver Pact Lunars. They stay in touch. They know a full-blown threat when they see one. See how much FaFL can do when he's got about 40 Full Moons beating on his ass, thousands of beastmen beating on his armies' asses, 40 No Moons figuring out his weakness, and 120  Changing Moons just generally screwing everything up for him.


That's assuming 300 Lunars, one-third of which aren't Pact members, and a roughly even distribution of castes accounting for the greater population of Changing Moons.


But hey; this looks like time for another Exalted Deathmatch.
 
Well, one, Heaven WILL shut itself up when ol' FaFL comes a knockin' they did it for the Autobots. So he came in afterwards. So Siddie's are up in the air. Plus, Gods, except for the high essence war gods and units of Aerial Legion...well, all the others can take a piss. Unless FaFL makes a mad bet with Plentimon, I don't think much in the space of gods will scare him.
As for Lunars, I've always wanted to see him square off with Ma-Ha.
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Do you really agree with the scenario in Auto book? O_o! 5-6 elder sidereals Alone could devastate or more likely cripple the army of Yugash, assasinating the autobots or slaying hundreds with Essence Typhoon+Prayer strip.


As for the gods i am assuming that Yu-shan will not shut it self because, really, it can crush the army of the deathlord.  His legions won't stand up to packs of celestial lions who use guerilla tactics. If he goes hunting alone elder sidereals death squads with endings/battles masters should be able to take him out. On the top of that the realm will strike him, some of the lunars will strike him, a couple of the deathlords will strike him, he doesn't even stand a chance.


Hell the bureau responsible for weather could destroy his whole army (though not the Lion itself)


Ma ha suchi couldn't even stand a chance against the Lion.
 
Yes, but guess what man, 5 elder Siddie's thought it would be a good idea to kill one Solar and her Lunar mate, and they ended up losing SEVEN of their own, I think these kind of actions plus what has happened with the Bull of the North and losing another Sidereal to him, has limited their hand.


Plus, it's a dumb idea to think they would actually get moving on this. Seriously. Do you know HOW LONG they'll merely be debating what to do? Do you realize how corrupt heaven is and how entrenched Siddie's are in their hubris as a whole?


And think about this, the Autobots, are mere mortals, and Heaven shirked away from that shit faster than an Olympic runner. Seriously, it's retarded to have the position Heaven still is some shining beacon of Order, technically it is, but it's so corrupt and many a God is content with their position that their own power games keep them distracted.


I think Siddie involvement wil be limited at the most. Besides if those elder Siddie's die, which they will, there goes a shitload of information, knowledge and ideology that keeps the Sidereals functioning. You got to see the big picture. Siddie's aren't gung ho, never will be. One or two might be, but that's it.
 
I hated that scenario and I wil never ever admit that it is canon. autobots are optional. period. there is some serious autochton fanboiism going on with the exalted staff I think and I hate it. and heaven shutting its door before some  alchemicals and their friends. oh please. give me a posse of high essence wargods and I am going to smack the alchemicals silly all of my own.


and then autochton and his design weavers? oh come on. autochton created the loom of fate, artifacts, shards... hell he was a busy bugger, if the other primodials were only half as busy the gods would walk in chains today.


looks like i had a little rant here.
 
Yes, but guess what man, 5 elder Siddie's thought it would be a good idea to kill one Solar and her Lunar mate, and they ended up losing SEVEN of their own, I think these kind of actions plus what has happened with the Bull of the North and losing another Sidereal to him, has limited their hand.
Plus, it's a dumb idea to think they would actually get moving on this. Seriously. Do you know HOW LONG they'll merely be debating what to do? Do you realize how corrupt heaven is and how entrenched Siddie's are in their hubris as a whole?


And think about this, the Autobots, are mere mortals, and Heaven shirked away from that shit faster than an Olympic runner. Seriously, it's retarded to have the position Heaven still is some shining beacon of Order, technically it is, but it's so corrupt and many a God is content with their position that their own power games keep them distracted.


I think Siddie involvement wil be limited at the most. Besides if those elder Siddie's die, which they will, there goes a shitload of information, knowledge and ideology that keeps the Sidereals functioning. You got to see the big picture. Siddie's aren't gung ho, never will be. One or two might be, but that's it.
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They were 5 and lost 7? OMG they really god their ass kicked! :lol:


You mean perhaps they were 9 and lost 7. Well no one said they were elder siddies and it was a lunar and solar couple not autobots.


I also think this happend simply to underline the heroic aspect of lunar/solar love not an average outcome of the battle. It says that the sids were very very surpized that 7 of them died and sids don't generally underestimate the raw power of Solars and Lunars.


Debating? Kejop will order some bronze faction sidereals to do something and they will do it. Why? Simply to protect the realm.


Sidereals aren't dump, if an invasion of out-of-fate beings happens in creation they will do something about it. They won't discuss the matter for centuries.  


Also note that the 5 bureaus of fate unlike the rest of the bureaucracy don't have the luxury to be slow and corrupted. They function pretty effectively.


As I said though I am very fond of autobots, I found the scenario in the Auto book too much in favor of them.


Elder assasin siddies will certainly not die in the hands of Autobots if they are careful.
 
I'm not talking a debate for centuries, I mean hell, I know they'll react and I will grant that the scenario leaned toward the Autobots...but it was supposed to. Seriously, it's the end of the world scenario, what do you want?  :roll:


And yes, I realize I mixed up numbers xP I merely got a few wrong. Meh. Anyway, I'm of the opinion that no matter how many autobots the Sids kill it won't matter, not really like they can get inside Autobot to find the issue. Sure they'll ferret out where Ot is, and then what? Nothing, they don't have the capability to bring together the mass of Exalted it took in the First Age to slay a Primordial (and if you dream up something that miraculously has all of them working together, you're wrong. It even states this in the book) Even if they wanted t otalk shop with the Autobots after assassination and counter attacks, what are they going to do? Both groups are WAY out of their element, Siddies have no clue what t odo about it. Outside of Fate, another curve from left field.


"We'll be fine, kill the Solars and all is well. Contagion? Well...fuck me."


"Magic material men? Pfft, please...servants of a Primordial we thought was gone? Well...goddamn."


It will simply turn into a shit kicking contest where no one wins and the South, as per usual in any Exalted game, is nuked.
 
I'm not talking a debate for centuries, I mean hell, I know they'll react and I will grant that the scenario leaned toward the Autobots...but it was supposed to. Seriously, it's the end of the world scenario, what do you want?  :roll:
And yes, I realize I mixed up numbers xP I merely got a few wrong. Meh. Anyway, I'm of the opinion that no matter how many autobots the Sids kill it won't matter, not really like they can get inside Autobot to find the issue. Sure they'll ferret out where Ot is, and then what? Nothing, they don't have the capability to bring together the mass of Exalted it took in the First Age to slay a Primordial (and if you dream up something that miraculously has all of them working together, you're wrong. It even states this in the book) Even if they wanted t otalk shop with the Autobots after assassination and counter attacks, what are they going to do? Both groups are WAY out of their element, Siddies have no clue what t odo about it. Outside of Fate, another curve from left field.
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Maybe if you see the scenario this way... i suppose it is hard to make an end of the world scenario without ignoring some major players or personalities. I would prefer it, if beings like sidereals did something in it. Or personalities like Ejava and Memnon took a bigger role in the campaighn. But as i said this could make things a bit too much chaotic...  


Yes the sids will be completely unable to scourge the autobots from the south but i believe their actions could prevent the Autocthonians from invading the f***g Realm!


Plus I felt the Bronze faction could do something about the Deathlords manipulating Fokuf, or at least stop Fokuf from screwing the whole Realm by giving the Deathlords territories of the realm...
 
The whole Fokuf scenario was very suspect to me. Even if he was off in his room whacking it to a very nice picture of Mela and her scriptures, I still don't see him as intelligent...like in anyway. He's just some oddball they threw on the throne to discredit his House.
 
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