fighting deathlords

You read me wrong. I nkow they are beatable, but most people I have seen, view this shit as some kind of xp hunt. Not on the forum here, but in game stores I've been to and on some of the other forums. It blows my mind.
 
correct me if i am wrong but their must be alchemicals who are as old as the deathlords.


perhaps a small team of them could take down MOW or FaFL
 
Um, they're the foundations of the Cities of Autochthon ^^; They couldn't they become cemented usually when they get that old.
 
Actually the alchemicals have no high essence (as in 8+) guys running around, they are all cities and towns... and even then alchemicals are not as strong as celestials, you'd need a lot of them.
 
Safim said:
Actually the alchemicals have no high essence (as in 8+) guys running around, they are all cities and towns... and even then alchemicals are not as strong as celestials, you'd need a lot of them.
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the core book says that they were meant to be on par with lunars and siderials in raw power.


their must be some way to have them move when they are needed.
 
Not really no, they don't want to move because they're connected with their God and content. Otherwise you destroy Autochthonian civilization and they're sure as hell NOT going to move.
 
wordman said:
Posted this before, but a transcript of five solars fighting First and Forsaken Lion. Fight was limited to published charms only.
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This isn't how 5 solars defeat the lion. It's how the brokeness of sorcery capturing cord combined with gaias rebuke, combined with sidereal essence draining charms kill the Lion. Do you believe it is enlightening?


I am not saying it wasn't cool reading it (the guys did a heck of a job describing it) but it isn't representive of a fight between 5 solars and a deathlord.


Personally i woudn't allow sorcery capturing cord to be used this way. Crown of thunders, daiklave of conquest are normal level 5 artifacts sorcery capturing cord isn't.


Anyways i have many doubts wether it is even possible to defeat Mask of Winters in the second edition with 5 solars.
 
Limiting it to published Charms effectively makes it useless as a model, in any case. It's obvious that FaFL would have MANY non-published Charms and Abilities, which means that the facsimile used in this experiment does not resemble the original in any meaningful combat sense.


-S
 
orionstark1482 said:
i was wondering if anyone has ever actually thought of what to use if you wanted to take on a deathlord in a direct conflict?
i always thought you would get


Kejak


Leviathan


Ahlat


Filial Wisdom


you think that any of them could do it?
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Mechanically the vast majority of essence 6+ charms sidereals can learn are Martial Arts charms. Kejak is 5000 years old, he is certainly elder than most of the deathlords (only First and Forsaken Lion equals him in age). All that considered i think he could defeat many of the deathlords in one on one combat though the stronger ones like FaFL would certainly defeat him.


Leviathan is pretty much like Kejak in combat. He could take on the younger ones like Mask of Winters and win but the elder ones would own him.


Alhat is an essence 7 war spirit. (He might be stronger in the second like for example Fakharu) He is no match for any deathlord.


Filial wisdom? Not even 2 filial wisdoms could take on a deathlord and hope to live IMO.
 
Stillborn said:
Limiting it to published Charms effectively makes it useless as a model, in any case. It's obvious that FaFL would have MANY non-published Charms and Abilities, which means that the facsimile used in this experiment does not resemble the original in any meaningful combat sense.
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Yeap, your absolutely right.
 
If it were a true combat between them and him, it would turn out two ways.


1) The players give up after six combat sessions of fighting the Legion Sanguinary.


2) An hour long bout of the GM going, 'Are you sure?' and then finally saying 'Give me your character sheets. You're all dead."


If they're of low power of course.
 
The answer for the Maiden of Battles and US is yes, Ligier, no. Why? Because particualarly heroic Exalts of Lunar and Solar Exalted have beaten him before. So Ligier doesn't get that pleasure. In fact, I'm pretty sure FaFL would slut him.
 
In his write up, he is the most powerful but it has been noted that several other fetiches, my bad, have been beaten by heoric Exalts. Ligier is not as immortal as he thinks. I think FaFL would Soulforge the auburn haired sun bather into the new engine of his new airship and sally forth with the heart of a Primordial as the fire for his war machine. FaFL is angry and artistic like that.
 
Not really, his Master is. He is more of an aloof one, thinks he is perfection. He wants to drag the world into his green light and show them all how brilliant he is in crafting. He is mighty cockish too, won't fight unless there's an army of DBs or a Circle of experienced Celestials to fight. He'll refuse.
 
isnt that kinda stupid... refuse to fight everything except things most likely to kill you?


I donno FaFL might be all pissed, but i still put my money on ligier, no matter how angry you are, you cant beat someone who is smarter, sicker, and more evil then you could ever imagine
 
It depends and yes, Ligier won't fight unless it's Exalts. Like I said, he;s cocky, he can literally melt battlefields of mortals, it's in his description. He loves to fight DBs. They're children to him. He is the most powerful fetich with a leaning toward fighting, so I bet he could lay'em all low with a few or no scratches.
 
FaFL vs. Ligier....


FaFL: grrrr me mad cus i am stoopid and i am stuck in my gay armor. i am pissed cus ... like you know...  i am mad at the usurption and i wanna conquer the underworld and take over as lord of the dead....


Ligier: yea.... Qwurrr... *shrooms FaFL*


FaFL: *last dying words* "holy shit.... you were ... Lotus all along... you sick son of a Bi...*gurgle*
 
With Ligier's luck, one of Lion's former Solar incarnations may have defeated Ligier before, and knows how to pull it off again.


 As for power levels between the two, I like to refer to their relative scarcity:


 There are 13 Deathlords. Sure, the Neverborn could make more, but there aren't exactly vengeful, powerful Solar ghosts lining up to apply.


 There's a fetich for every single Yozi. If it's slain, the Yozi becomes...different...and a new fetich is selected for the changed Yozi.
 
Hmm, the Red Sun? And the fundamental shredding of the Yozi bonds of Malfeas, now only to deal with that tricky desert...
 
so pretty much no one will ever know if Ligier or FaFL would win... hmm


where can i find info on Ligier. i only got the fatsplats... still KAt sends me those pdfs....
 
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