Fandom Fate/Ultimatum OOC

[Crow]

That's a pretty hearty proportion of Servants that are unqualified unless they possess a human host.

 

[Takumi98]

There, Lee's posted for. I winged it in my sleepy state, off to relax I go.

Edit: Let it be known that like last time idk wtf I'm doing, but I hope you enjoy Lee

 

[Gundam Watcher 27]

Yeah, isn't Berserker a Pseudo-Servant? I'm asking, because Hanarei is supposed to summon you.

Yeah, Berserker is.

 

[Gundam Watcher 27]

That's a pretty hearty proportion of Servants that are unqualified unless they possess a human host.

I'm thinking Ares would possess Rin's body, but as to how Rin would be around when Ryuga was told that his bloodline died.....

Maybe she was just a lucky survivor.

 

[Gundam Watcher 27]

Hanarei Berserker has come forth

 

[Crow]

OK, making my post.

Which should I do?

1. Have Archer appear directly before Lee, pseudoservant host and all.
2. Have Archer possess the pseudoservant host who is in another part of town and have Lee find her.

I'm currently writing No. 1.

 

[Hanarei]

Hanarei Berserker has come forth

Thank goodness it's not a trap!

I'll have to wait to see if I can do a post tonight might be tomorrow.

 

[Crow]

oh yes

my post has been constructed

Archer has officially been summoned

 

[Birdsie]

Ruler & Ray (2019, colorized)

Thepotatogod
Seriously, though. The moment you summon Caster, Ruler will just go: "Ah, how fortuitous. I am Ruler, and you must be Caster. This boy here is your Master and doesn't know anything about being a magus or casting spells, but he has clairvoyance. Teach him..." [dark flaring of command seals mid-sentence] "or else."

"Now-have-a-pleasant-day-bye!" And off he goes to consolidate power, meet the other Servants and Masters, and set up traps for Avenger that thot.

 

[Takumi98]

Quick post is up

 

[Gundam Watcher 27]

Good thing Otr wasn't around when Archer showed up.

{°w°}

 

[Crow]

He probably knew it happened.

 

[Gundam Watcher 27]

Ruler & Ray (2019, colorized)

Thepotatogod
Seriously, though. The moment you summon Caster, Ruler will just go: "Ah, how fortuitous. I am Ruler, and you must be Caster. This boy here is your Master and doesn't know anything about being a magus or casting spells, but he has clairvoyance. Teach him..." [dark flaring of command seals mid-sentence] "or else."

"Now-have-a-pleasant-day-bye!" And off he goes to consolidate power, meet the other Servants and Masters, and set up traps for Avenger that thot.

Well, don't be surprised if Ares starts bossing you around since your a servant of God.

Therefore, Ares is your current boss.

 

[Birdsie]

Well, don't be surprised if Ares starts bossing you around since your a servant of God.

Therefore, Ares is your current boss.

He spurned those Gods, and worships Jesus now.

Here's how their meeting would go:

[if positive]
Ruler: "Hello, Mars, lord of war. No hard feelings, I hope?" [soft, pleasant smile]

[if negative/Ruler has gone murder-mode]
Ruler: "Hello, 'my lord.' I hope you've brought your Authority, as when I attack, the words 'blast radius' will be written all over your destination, and the stars will speak in hushed whispers of your demise. Thus saith the lord." [withdraws Black Keys, smile is still there but it hides great darkness]

I envision that Ruler's personality has a dark side that he adopts when someone's pissed him off or when fighting seriously, because a lot of recent historians describe Constantine as cruel, ruthless and somewhat hedonistic contrary to older beliefs. Think of it as Innocent Monster that's been crossbred with Berserk and sprinkled with nigh-fanatical faith, but without any of the stat bonuses.

The only thing that changes is that Ruler goes from a soft and graceful person to a dissonant serenity uncanny valley chap who's actively emitting bloodlust and killing intent, while gripping a set of conceptual weapons between his fingers and slowly, confidently ambling towards you.

He tries to repress the bloodlust, but try as he might, bad habits die hard.

 

[Thepotatogod]

Ruler & Ray (2019, colorized)

Thepotatogod
Seriously, though. The moment you summon Caster, Ruler will just go: "Ah, how fortuitous. I am Ruler, and you must be Caster. This boy here is your Master and doesn't know anything about being a magus or casting spells, but he has clairvoyance. Teach him..." [dark flaring of command seals mid-sentence] "or else."

"Now-have-a-pleasant-day-bye!" And off he goes to consolidate power, meet the other Servants and Masters, and set up traps for Avenger that thot.

Now watch as Ray accidentally set off those traps and manages to reverse engineer them into his own spells

Mion , you're up!

 

[Gundam Watcher 27]

He spurned those Gods, and worships Jesus now.

Here's how their meeting would go:

[if positive]
Ruler: "Hello, Mars, lord of war. No hard feelings, I hope?" [soft, pleasant smile]

[if negative/Ruler has gone murder-mode]
Ruler: "Hello, 'my lord.' I hope you've brought your Authority, as when I attack, the words 'blast radius' will be written all over your destination, and the stars will speak in hushed whispers of your demise. Thus saith the lord." [withdraws Black Keys, smile is still there but it hides great darkness]

If it goes well:
Berserker: None at all. After I win this war, I'll be getting my loyal followers back.

If it goes bad:
Berserker: And I hope you brought that 'Will of God' that I find BS. I'm the god here, not your made up fairytale!
*Crafts two grenade launchers.*

 

[Birdsie]

Now watch as Ray accidentally set off those traps and manages to reverse engineer them into his own spells

Mion , you're up!

Let's hope he learns to actually cast some kind of active precognition spells before the War ends. For someone specializing in clairvoyance, here's some suggestions/ideas. They all remind me of Atlas magi, which is unavoidable, I guess, given your future-seeing predilections. Anyway, feel free to use any of these... or not! It's all up to you, these are just rough ideas.

Tentative Name: Vector Sight(???)
Single-Action: activates a state that allows him to see trajectories of attacks and projectiles a second or two before they hit, by giving them a red outline. Skilled or particularly fast combatants may react to his dodge/defense and compensate, altering the trajectory of attack even as Ray reacts to it. May grant an edge in combat or prove to be folly when used clumsily. Has the passive effect of improving thought speed and reflexes by a low degree, giving him a "bullet-time" effect.

Hardly enough to compete with Servants or a magus who can reinforce themselves properly, but it can give the edge needed to survive or beat a non-magical opponent.

---- Improved Version: chant is long and the spell itself is mana intensive. The bullet-time effect extends to the point where a Servant with B-rank agility moves at normal human speed in his perspective (not that he can match said speed.) Shows attack vectors in line of sight, as above, but also outlines the optimal path towards avoiding harm in green color; the best places to move, place one's feet, dodge, move one's hands, parry, etc. If dodging a trajectory will lead to the enemy compensating for the dodge, the compensation is taken into account beforehand.

---- Ultimate/Hax Version: chant is at least Five-Line (takes 30 minutes to incant unless you min-max learning the fuck out of it) and is even more mana intensive. It doesn't even show vectors. The caster chooses "offense" or "defense" and the body is put on auto-pilot, automatically prioritizing the avoidance of damage or dealing it to the opponent. It can calculate attacks full seconds before they happen (even taking into account the user's own reactions, the enemy's counter-reactions, the user's counter-counter-reactions, and so on several times), sees through ambushes and feints, and is generally several steps ahead of anyone else who's not clairvoyant themselves. It always takes the optimum route towards success; if the chance of successfully surviving is at least 1% without using this spell, then if you use it, you're guaranteed to be safe. The bullet-time is there and stronger than ever! Due to the fluidity and ultra-efficiency of every movement this grants, it may seem to onlookers like the caster is a low-tier superhuman, but the spell doesn't actually enhance bodily functions.

Warning: this level of prana consumption and unshackled mental calculations may melt the user's brain/circuits/narrative drama gland/manhood when overused.

Tentative Name: Wallhacks(???)
no idea on incantation length: the entire world turns monochromatic; black, with the outlines of objects being white. Can see through walls in this state. The only exception to the discoloration is things that will move or have moved recently. For example, a running human is colored green, with ten "images" of red, running humans in front of him, showing where he will run for every second of ten seconds into the future. Likewise, behind him, there are ten blue outlines showing where he last was. If someone is charging at you in melee, you will pretty much always have a red ghost in front of you. Can be used to predict movement routes for better shooting of projectiles, and seeing through walls can ignore cover and concealement. Combine with the ultimate version of Vector Sight (set on "offense") and a ranged weapon to achieve actual Aimbot.

If you use these, when Ray learns to adapt to sensing mana, you might want him to use a different sense than sight. Seeing mana and using any of these spells might cause his circuits to haywire or something. Try smelling mana instead. Or hearing it!

*Crafts two grenade launchers.*

Ruler: [sips juice] "You don't exist tho."
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Ruler: [shrugs off grenades; even ones crafted by a Servant will have laughable Mystery]

Actually, isn't Ruler one of the main reason for the Greco-Roman pantheon dying off, and the Age of the Gods ending in that general area? He pretty much said, "Hey, all these Gods are cool and all, but look at THIS guy! Isn't he fucking amazing? He died on the cross for us! Why aren't you praying?" while giving the old pantheon the stink eye.

 

[Gundam Watcher 27]

Ruler: [sips juice] "You don't exist tho."
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Ruler: [shrugs off grenades; even ones crafted by a Servant will have laughable Mystery]

Actually, isn't Ruler one of the main reason for the Greco-Roman pantheon dying off, and the Age of the Gods ending in that general area? He pretty much said, "Hey, all these Gods are cool and all, but look at THIS guy! Isn't he fucking amazing? He died on the cross for us! Why aren't you praying?" while giving the old pantheon the stink eye.

Berserker: "WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY?!"

In all seriousness though, can't a modern Weapon enhanced by magic damage a servant, even if it's just a small amount? I made Ares with the idea that she could make non magic weapons have magic properties through her own skills.

 

[Birdsie]

Berserker: "WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY?!"

In all seriousness though, can't a modern Weapon enhanced by magic damage a servant, even if it's just a small amount? I made Ares with the idea that she could make non magic weapons have magic properties through her own skills.

Before reading: This was originally a short post, but I went on a kind of tangent at one point. Then, I decided I might as well scrap the entire thing and make it, in whatever way I could, educational (I do hope it achieved that?) so I edited it from the bottom-up. Hence why it's so long. I apologize.

If it's too long/boring to read, to summarize: Modern weapon enhanced by magic from a Divine Spirit would, at best, nick a Servant. It doesn't compare to old and "mysteriooous!! [spooky SFX]" methods, though.

Best comparison I came up with is like trying to genetically crossbreed plants and animals: you get a genetic freak, not a functioning organism. That's usually the same for trying to merge magecraft and modern science/engineering. What you have is very dysfunctional, barely operational, and it won't live very long without careful maintenance.

The "Essay" Itself:

There's a reason that UBW likes swords, and can tolerate spears, arrows, daggers, hammers, but spits guns right back out into Shirou's stupid face.

And it's not even Gaia's fault, since Reality Marbles do not follow the common sense of the planet, nor do they have to follow the common sense of man. They follow whatever the user thinks they should follow, be the user a Deamon, or be the user Shirou Emiya. In Shirou's case, however, he is human, so the Reality Marble follows the common sense of man, or at least tries to.

Science and technology have a difficulty amassing Mystery as a rule, since they're considered modern and plain. It's not impossible to integrate magecraft and modern engineering/computers/etc, but it's like trying to crossbreed a plant with an animal: it violates ethics, genetics, morality, and every other biologist on the planet will call you a madman for even trying.

Not compelling? Let's try another angle: Consider how many ancient swords you've heard of that are cursed, blessed, or otherwise enchanted. Now consider how many modern AR-15s you've heard of that are cursed, blessed, or otherwise enchanted. My point is simple:

If you showed an eight-year-old kid (or whatever age that kids still believe in things like Santa) a strange-looking dagger and told him it's been given to you by King Oberon of the Fairylands, he might actually buy it. If you told him the same about a camo-painted Glock 19 with a silencer and expanded magazine, he'd look at you funny and argue for ten minutes requesting empirical evidence of the existence of Oberon of the Fairylands, formerly known as King.

Guns and swords - there is a gap there. One of those two doesn't have that same luster, no? Doesn't have that same Mystery.

A superstitious dolt might believe the katana that belonged to his ex-samurai grandfather, currently stored in the attic is cursed because it causes misfortune, or it's blessed because all of its wielders lead a life of fortune and glory. With time, this belief will amass into Mystery. People feel the same way about gods, ghosts, vampires - what else have you. They can't prove any of these superstitions are real, not even using modern science, but they can't deny it either. It doesn't matter of it's stupid and doesn't make sense - some part of their subconscious says: "It could be true and believing in it feels right."

But will anyone truly feel that way about, say, a grenade or an assault rifle, beyond - at best - some unrealized subconscious sentimentality about saving a bullet with someone's name on it for added luck in the task of shooting said son-of-a-bitch?

It's extremely hard to make guns compatible with Mystery, and by extension, with magecraft. Kiritsugu made it work by not actually augmenting his gun, but rather getting his ribs grinded and imbuing bullets with the essence of his Origin. The bullets are magical, or rather, the special components inside of them: that entire "swords versus guns" suspension of disbelief still applies here, even if to lesser extent. He put his ribs into the damn things like charm necklaces - some part of your subconscious will tell you that those things are fucking paranormal; cursed, blessed, whatever-the-fuck.

However, despite it being ingenious it's very much not cost-effective, and very much not going to affect a Servant.

A Servant with the right Skill or Noble Phantasm might give guns some low degree of Mystery (look at Oda Nobunaga; granted, she uses muskets that still have higher Mystery potential than a modern weapon,) but they're still guns. Only a Servant with D-rank Endurance would get worse wounds from them than scratches that bleed for a minute and then stop. Furthermore, take into account that Berserker is a Divine Spirit - something of Gaia, not Alaya - that, on an existential level, opposes the progress of science and engineering and clings to the ancient Mysteries. I'm not saying it's impossible, no, but inefficient.

If you have a car and drive it into a wall, the car will break.

If you have a chariot and it has enough Mystery with concepts like, "indestructible," or "unstoppable;" it can drive through twenty walls without slowing down. A car will find it difficult to have Mystery like that, though.

Hence why magi shy away from modern technology, and why there isn't a "computer software magus" out there, trying to reach the Root by writing down spells as Android apps for all magi to download. If they could do that - I assure you they probably would've eaten up their pride and did so. Magi do believe in "the march of progress continues!" It's just that there are two types of progress in the World: magical and scientific. Two sides of the coin in the World. One closer to Gaia, one closer to Alaya.

Their mindset isn't: "Let's progress."

Their mindset is: "It's either our progress or theirs."

This applies to virtually everything in the setting. Every creature, person, object, spell, type of existence: including guns.

Guns lean towards science, humanity, Alaya, and their progress. If you try to mix it with our progress; if you try to crossbreed animals with plants, you won't get compatible organisms that breathe and function. You will get genetic freaks and amalgamations that can't breathe properly without an iron lung.

When you write a Noble Phantasm, you think along the Holistic approach; the macro-universe, rather than the micro-universe. You don't go, "this Noble Phantasm generates micro-particles that combust carbon atoms," because science does that, not magecraft. Instead, you think: "this Noble Phantasm imposes the concept of burning on the target. So they burn. End of story."

 

[Gundam Watcher 27]

That.... Makes alot of sense! I can understand how modern guns cannot be enhanced by Magic without issues. A modern Weapon can't be enhanced easily if it isn't involved in that Servants legend!

 

[Birdsie]

That.... Makes alot of sense! I can understand how modern guns cannot be enhanced by Magic without issues. A modern Weapon can't be enhanced easily if it isn't involved in that Servants legend!

Exactly. Granted, the only Servant I could think of with a modern weapon is Simo Hayha, and he's already been done a thousand times.

Actually, come to think of it, I think WW2-era weapons wouldn't actually reject Mystery as much as anything after the 1960s, to be level with you. There's something about the MP40 that makes me subtly think: "this is a sentiently evil, cursed weapon of mass death, and those innocent jews it kills in concentration camps and forests become wraiths that are bound there for the rest of eternity," and this belief kind of infects my perspective of all other weapons of that era. Not sure if it's just me, though.

EDIT: So basically the hierarchy of spooky Mysteriousness is: Medieval weapons > muskets and Napoleonian cannons and shit > WW2-era stuff > everything else in existence. At least that's how I'd categorize it.

Also, remember not to use the word "magic" lightly. I know I'm being a grammar nazi at this point, but you youngsters need to learn: it's either magecraft or thaumaturgy, pick your poison. Magic is reserved for the real motherfuckers around these parts.

 

[Gundam Watcher 27]

Exactly. Granted, the only Servant I could think of with a modern weapon is Simo Hayha, and he's already been done a thousand times.

Actually, come to think of it, I think WW2-era weapons wouldn't actually reject Mystery as much as anything after the 1960s, to be level with you. There's something about the MP40 that makes me subtly think: "this is a sentiently evil, cursed weapon of mass death, and those innocent jews it kills in concentration camps and forests become wraiths that are bound there for the rest of eternity," and this belief kind of infects my perspective of all other weapons of that era. Not sure if it's just me, though.

EDIT: So basically the hierarchy of spooky Mysteriousness is: Medieval weapons > muskets and Napoleonian cannons and shit > WW2-era stuff > everything else in existence. At least that's how I'd categorize it.

Also, remember not to use the word "magic" lightly. I know I'm being a grammar nazi at this point, but you youngsters need to learn: it's either magecraft or thaumaturgy, pick your poison. Magic is reserved for the real motherfuckers around these parts.

Understood.

That brings up an interesting question. I did mention that Berserker can make conceptual weapons if there was at one point a Prototype for it yes?

If so, the possibility of a hand held rapid fire crossbow isn't too hard to picture yes?

 

[Birdsie]

That brings up an interesting question. I did mention that Berserker can make conceptual weapons if there was at one point a Prototype for it yes?

If so, the possibility of a hand held rapid fire crossbow isn't too hard to picture yes?

That's not really a Conceptual Weapon, nor is it really a Mystic Code. It's just a crossbow that fires a lot of bolts - more mechanical than magical, closer to science than thaumaturgy.

A Conceptual Weapon is what it sounds like: a weapon with a concept that it imposes on something. For example, Black Barrel imposes "Death" on things, which is how it can actually hurt Ultimate Ones beyond tickling them into temporary paralysis.

Or, for another example, Black Keys are Conceptual Weapons that impose "Purification," making wounds created by them difficult to heal for wicked creatures by purifying their unnatural traits and leaving behind only soft, humanlike flesh. Their specialty in combating evil spirits and vampires goes so far that even an ordinary Black Key can affect Servants to some degree (let alone the Servant-tier Black Keys that Ruler uses. Yikes! I'm actually kind of lowkey mad that Avenger no-selled them and regenerated instantly. I aimed at her ankle in hopes it'd slow her down and I could finish her off with her limited mobility, but that gamble failed. Curse you, LostHaven ! Curse you and your pre-planned narrative melodrama author fiat!)

If you want a rapid-fire crossbow, try something that uses a string of ether instead of a normal drawline, and new "bolts" manifest out of this ether rapidly. Don't bother with science; Berserker is literally a Divine Spirit of War. Breaking the laws of physics to create supernatural armaments sounds like something right up her alley, even without access to her Authority.

 

[Gundam Watcher 27]

That's not really a Conceptual Weapon, nor is it really a Mystic Code. It's just a crossbow that fires a lot of bolts - more mechanical than magical, closer to science than thaumaturgy.

A Conceptual Weapon is what it sounds like: a weapon with a concept that it imposes on something. For example, Black Barrel imposes "Death" on things, which is how it can actually hurt Ultimate Ones beyond tickling them into temporary paralysis.

Or, for another example, Black Keys are Conceptual Weapons that impose "Purification," making wounds created by them difficult to heal for wicked creatures by purifying their unnatural traits and leaving behind only soft, humanlike flesh. Their specialty in combating evil spirits and vampires goes so far that even an ordinary Black Key can affect Servants to some degree (let alone the Servant-tier Black Keys that Ruler uses. Yikes! I'm actually kind of lowkey mad that Avenger no-selled them and regenerated instantly. I aimed at her ankle in hopes it'd slow her down and I could finish her off with her limited mobility, but that gamble failed. Curse you, LostHaven !)

If you want a rapid-fire crossbow, try something that uses a string of ether instead of a normal drawline, and new "bolts" manifest out of this ether rapidly. Don't bother with science; Berserker is literally a Divine Spirit of War. Breaking the laws of physics to create supernatural armaments sounds like something right up her alley, even without access to her Authority.

Get ready for a Greek Fire launcher then.

 

[Birdsie]

Get ready for a Greek Fire launcher then.

Ah fuck. I taught her how Mystery works, and now she's mad with power.

Ruler: "Time to undo my mistake." [draws Black Keys. Black Keys for days]