cyl
Creepy smile
Boost you movement through Athletics and charms if you can too, that will only increase your ass kicking capabilities.WlfSamurai said:
[Emperors of the Fading Suns] [Emperors of the Fading Suns] OOC Thread
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Arynne
Salmon of Doubt
Right here.cyl said:
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Kacie
One Thousand Club
Infinite Mastery is why Solars are supposed to be the "best". -- that said, I've seen a bear totem Lunar turn into a Gianormous Bear and go to town using the higher level Lunar soak charms. I believe Lunars are all about soak.Arynne said:
The person to ask is Crazy Ivan - I've never made a lunar, and Crazy Ivan knows them really well. If you're worried about your upcoming personal combat, you could ask him for ideas.
cyl
Creepy smile
Wow I forgot how much of that tree actually sucked and the HR managed to make it even more boring some times.
This style seriously needs some love.
This style seriously needs some love.
Rabid Beast Attitude: I prefer the official. Increasing soak is nice n all, but wound penalties tend to last unless you heal like hell.
I'd keep the canon version, and increase the Hero to reducing by -2 the wound penalties.
Foot-Trapping Counter: again I prefer the official. less expensive, and one less roll to make (I don't like charms that give free special actions...)
Keep the Hero bonus.
Thousand Claw Infliction: I don't know which sucks more, the official or the HR.
I'd say the HR since the official works wonders with Infinite Mastery.
This one definitely needs a rewrite.
Lunar Hero Form:
Official; it's kind of largely useless besides the double stunt dice bonus which is cool
HR: blech, unarmed parry, bonus to damage, and slightly improved DV penalties reductions, and the hero even giving -1 speed... blech, it's probably the worst form charm rewrite I've ever seen.
This one definitely needs a rewrite too.
Stride-Halting Mutilation Attack: where did that one come from ?
It's just a slightly improved version of FTC... so not worthy to be kept.
Coiled Serpent Strikes HR: not much interest here either, FTC is built so you can't move away from a Lunar.
Armor-Rending Claw Fist: you feel the lack of inspiration on that one too both in official and HR.
This one definitely needs a rewrite too, perhaps something on ignoring a fraction of soak or destroying armor directly.
Crouching Tiger Stance: both HR (the hero tag is total garbage) and official seem balanced.
Den Mother Method: I don't like the HR because it keeps the lunar grounded instead of letting it fly through the battlefield as she should.
I'd probably rewrite this one to keep the scene long effect from the HR and the effects of the official
Terrible Wolverine Onslaught: blech again both the official and the HR suck, but the official has the merit of trying to be original at least.
I'd keep the canon version, and increase the Hero to reducing by -2 the wound penalties.
Foot-Trapping Counter: again I prefer the official. less expensive, and one less roll to make (I don't like charms that give free special actions...)
Keep the Hero bonus.
Thousand Claw Infliction: I don't know which sucks more, the official or the HR.
I'd say the HR since the official works wonders with Infinite Mastery.
This one definitely needs a rewrite.
Lunar Hero Form:
Official; it's kind of largely useless besides the double stunt dice bonus which is cool
HR: blech, unarmed parry, bonus to damage, and slightly improved DV penalties reductions, and the hero even giving -1 speed... blech, it's probably the worst form charm rewrite I've ever seen.
This one definitely needs a rewrite too.
Stride-Halting Mutilation Attack: where did that one come from ?
It's just a slightly improved version of FTC... so not worthy to be kept.
Coiled Serpent Strikes HR: not much interest here either, FTC is built so you can't move away from a Lunar.
Armor-Rending Claw Fist: you feel the lack of inspiration on that one too both in official and HR.
This one definitely needs a rewrite too, perhaps something on ignoring a fraction of soak or destroying armor directly.
Crouching Tiger Stance: both HR (the hero tag is total garbage) and official seem balanced.
Den Mother Method: I don't like the HR because it keeps the lunar grounded instead of letting it fly through the battlefield as she should.
I'd probably rewrite this one to keep the scene long effect from the HR and the effects of the official
Terrible Wolverine Onslaught: blech again both the official and the HR suck, but the official has the merit of trying to be original at least.
Arynne
Salmon of Doubt
The Demented One's Lunar Hero Hack has some sweet soak Charms, though... 
cyl
Creepy smile
I wouldn't exactly associate "Rabid Beast" with "more soak", but that's just me.
Edit; I'd definitely rewrite it according around the concept of "movement", "being unstoppable", "no one escapes", "unleashed fury from hell", but I really don't like what TDO did with his hack.
It seems too... classical in its effect, it lacks some theme.
Edit; I'd definitely rewrite it according around the concept of "movement", "being unstoppable", "no one escapes", "unleashed fury from hell", but I really don't like what TDO did with his hack.
It seems too... classical in its effect, it lacks some theme.
Arynne
Salmon of Doubt
Well, I'm trying to find a Celestial style that fits Flicker...
(Also, I'd be interested in hearing xarvh's opinion of all this.)
(Also, I'd be interested in hearing xarvh's opinion of all this.)
JayTee
Eight Thousand Club
So, Infernal Monster Style?cyl said:
xarvh
Malevolent Entertainer
Yes, the VH is using Infinite Archery.
@Arynne: forget MAs, you have a Daiklave (two?), use it with Instinctive Dex Unity + pimped up warform + Pimped Lunary Fury.
If you guys still have the Jade Grand, you can easily attack with Speed 3.
There is no comparison between the hurt you can do per XP invested ratio.
Anyway, I'm having a look at the alternate Lunar Heroes.
@Arynne: forget MAs, you have a Daiklave (two?), use it with Instinctive Dex Unity + pimped up warform + Pimped Lunary Fury.
If you guys still have the Jade Grand, you can easily attack with Speed 3.
There is no comparison between the hurt you can do per XP invested ratio.
Anyway, I'm having a look at the alternate Lunar Heroes.
WlfSamurai
Maelstrom Engineer
Yeah, MA just isn't as good. The only reason Rhapsody has it is because she didn't feel like a "warrior". But if you are, @xarvh is exactly right. No comparison.
Arynne
Salmon of Doubt
Yeah, but (a) Martial Arts is her Favored Ability, (b) she doesn't have a warform, only her claw strider form, and © what if she ever has to duel someone who insists on using natural weapons?
(No, she doesn't have two daiklaves, she has a daiklave and a mundane sword.)
(No, she doesn't have two daiklaves, she has a daiklave and a mundane sword.)
Arynne
Salmon of Doubt
Are you hinting, though, that warform, Instinctive Unity and Fury should be my next purchases if I want to survive?
xarvh
Malevolent Entertainer
@Arynne: not really.
Flight or fight.
Survival can be often accomplished by fleeing; few RPG players will ever do that, though, because we are used to level-adjusted foes.
I like to add some bones that you can't bite, though.
I want combat to be dangerous.
Anyway.
The Lunar Hero you suggest seems ok power-wise and fluff wise, but I find that it overlaps (and stacks!) a lot with Lunar Dex Charms.
For now I'd invest in some Lunar Claws and Warform.
Flight or fight.
Survival can be often accomplished by fleeing; few RPG players will ever do that, though, because we are used to level-adjusted foes.
I like to add some bones that you can't bite, though.
I want combat to be dangerous.
Anyway.
The Lunar Hero you suggest seems ok power-wise and fluff wise, but I find that it overlaps (and stacks!) a lot with Lunar Dex Charms.
For now I'd invest in some Lunar Claws and Warform.
Arynne
Salmon of Doubt
Ironically, the errata have made Silver Claws practically useless in warform.
xarvh
Malevolent Entertainer
Yup. Summoned weapons were awesome because they scaled with Essence, no they are just a shitty static stuff that none will ever use.
xarvh
Malevolent Entertainer
Also, where differences between the Wiki and the Scroll of Errata are involved, we stick to the Wiki ('cause it's easier to access).
This means that Seven Shadows Evasion costs 8m rather than 6m.
This means that Seven Shadows Evasion costs 8m rather than 6m.
Arynne
Salmon of Doubt
So: Deadly Beastman Transformation (note, get some moonsilver or moon-faced armor somewhere, so I won't be as nekkid as that Alchemical chick)
Instinctive Dexterity Unity
Claws of the Silver Moon (even though they're useless in Beastman form; the houseruled Lunar Hero Form would be more useful here)
Relentless Lunar Fury
...anything else?
Instinctive Dexterity Unity
Claws of the Silver Moon (even though they're useless in Beastman form; the houseruled Lunar Hero Form would be more useful here)
Relentless Lunar Fury
...anything else?
Kacie
One Thousand Club
You...don't have Deadly Beastman Transformation? Get that ASAP. The armor is a nice add-on, but DBT is...yeah, I nearly fell out of my chair when you said you didn't have that.
DBT + Lunar Fury, because so many lunar charms have additional effects that *only* kick in when in Fury, and they don't count as charm use!
Especially now that Xarvh has been awesome and stated that Claws are as good as they should be.
DBT + Lunar Fury, because so many lunar charms have additional effects that *only* kick in when in Fury, and they don't count as charm use!
Especially now that Xarvh has been awesome and stated that Claws are as good as they should be.
Arynne
Salmon of Doubt
Well, her claw strider form is stronger than her beastman form would be, and until recently, she had no moonsilver artifacts, so she never felt a need to develop one.Kacie said:
Kacie
One Thousand Club
It's not the raw strength that's important - it's the chaining ability of Fury and the other DBT knacks. If you can get the benefit of Fury and other combat knacks - such as wings - without DBT, then up to you. I thought DBT either scaled with Essence or you could re-purchase it, but I remember something about it getting progressively better as you invest in it.
If the Full-Moon anima banner is still 3x speed, then you want to take advantage of the mobility of wings; that's how you zip across the battlefield to gank people like the Void Heart.
While strength is nice, how is the Claw Strider's Dex?
If the Full-Moon anima banner is still 3x speed, then you want to take advantage of the mobility of wings; that's how you zip across the battlefield to gank people like the Void Heart.
While strength is nice, how is the Claw Strider's Dex?
Norts
Elder Member
Yeah, after that run in with FIRE MONKS Infinite Mastery is right up at #1 for me on the charm purchase list.
Arynne
Salmon of Doubt
4 -- she also has a Knack that lets her use her full Dexterity 5 in all forms.
And she has Hybrid Body Rearrangement, meaning she can already sprout wings, gills or any other animal aspect she knows.
And she has Hybrid Body Rearrangement, meaning she can already sprout wings, gills or any other animal aspect she knows.
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Feantari
Water Sprite
Lunar strength charms are kick ass.
