Nation Building 2028 A World of Strife (Modern)

[Archon]

For some reason I feel really lonely with just the Nordic Union as a friend...UK, is the alliance proposal still good?

Yeah, sure. I was going to hold off because I don't want WW3.


But with France trying to get the rest of Europe into the Axis, stiring rebellion in Italy, and Spain; whilst also committing mass murder in your borders for 0 reason...


Totally ally, that way the 'Allies' becomes: Russia, Spain, Italy, U.K, Balkan Federation, Nordic Union.

 

[Elucid]

Yeah, sure. I was going to hold off because I don't want WW3.
But with France trying to get the rest of Europe into the Ais, stiring rebellion in Italy, and Spain; whilst also comitting mass murder in your borders for 0 reason...


Totally ally, that way the 'Allies' becomes: Russia, Spain, Italy, U.K, Balkan Federation, Nordic Union.

What abt me

 

[Archon]

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[Elucid]

...It was said you would destroy the Axis, not join them...
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I cant back down now .... I have seen it ....

 

[Archon]

[QUOTE="The Elusive Shadow]I cant back down now .... I have seen it ....

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[Serenade]

Yeah, sure. I was going to hold off because I don't want WW3.
But with France trying to get the rest of Europe into the Axis, stiring rebellion in Italy, and Spain; whilst also committing mass murder in your borders for 0 reason...


Totally ally, that way the 'Allies' becomes: Russia, Spain, Italy, U.K, Balkan Federation, Nordic Union.

The Axis:Hmm...Enemies to the right of us...enemies to the south of us...enemies to the north of us...enemies to the west of us...Perfect! Right where we want them! This was also the same mistake the Axis did in real life.


North = UK,Nordic Union


West=Spain


South=Italy,Balkan Federation


East=Russia

 

[Archon]

The Axis:Hmm...Enemies to the right of us...enemies to the south of us...enemies to the north of us...enemies to the west of us...Perfect! Right where we want them! This was also the same mistake the Axis did in real life.
North = UK,Nordic Union


West=Spain


South=Italy,Balkan Federation


East=Russia

Oh my God, this is brilliant.


I can't believe this RP just went full history.

 

[lcomstock4]

There is no evidence the Axis is evil... we are good guys join the Axis, Nordic Union we will help you with research

 

[Archon]

There is no evidence the Axis is evil... we are good guys join the Axis, Nordic Union we will help you with research

Lies, just look at @Shireling last post. Mass murder shootings for no accurate reason.


And you're called 'Axis'. We're called 'Allies'.

 

[Serenade]

There is no evidence the Axis is evil... we are good guys join the Axis, Nordic Union we will help you with research

Turkey doesn't like me ;(

 

[Shireling]

Lies, just look at @Shireling last post. Mass murder shootings for no accurate reason.
And you're called 'Axis'. We're called 'Allies'.

You think for no reason. Also, be glad I hit a nightclub instead of a school or a soccer game. Didn't want any children getting hurt.

 

[High Moon]

Turkey doesn't like me ;(

You stand in the way of Neo-Ottomanism and a Pan-Turkic state nothing personal (I fell like I am creating a NAZI state...)

 

[Serenade]

You stand in the way of Neo-Ottomanism and a Pan-Turkic state nothing personal (I fell like I am creating a NAZI state...)

Considers deporting the Muslim population of the Balkan Confederation to Turkey...

 

[Archon]

You think for no reason. Also, be glad I hit a nightclub instead of a school or a soccer game. Didn't want any children getting hurt.

C'mon man, what has the the Balkan Confederation done to France? From an IC POV it was for no valid reason besides furthering France's gains.

 

[Shireling]

Also, let's be honest here, the Paris-Berlin Axis is in a much better position than the original Axis. Spain and Italy are both non-threats, the Balkans is surrounded by the German Union and now-Axis-member Turkey. So really, the only two countries posing anything close to a threat are Russia and the Nordic Union, both of which could be pacified in a length engagement. Just as we'd have a hard time landing troops in Britain, Britain would have a hard time landing troops in Mainland Europe, especially in Normandy, which is still somewhat militarized. You could go through Spain, but the French would likely pin you down crossing the Pyrenees, not to mention the Basque and Catalan insurgencies.

 

[Shireling]

C'mon man, what has the the Balkan Confederation done to France? From an IC POV it was for no valid reason besides furthering France's gains.

Furthering France's gains is a valid reason.

 

[Archon]

Also, let's be honest here, the Paris-Berlin Axis is in a much better position than the original Axis. Spain and Italy are both non-threats, the Balkans is surrounded by the German Union and now-Axis-member Turkey. So really, the only two countries posing anything close to a threat are Russia and the Nordic Union, both of which could be pacified in a length engagement. Just as we'd have a hard time landing troops in Britain, Britain would have a hard time landing troops in Mainland Europe, especially in Normandy, which is still somewhat militarized. You could go through Spain, but the French would likely pin you down crossing the Pyrenees, not to mention the Basque and Catalan insurgencies.

What?


Spain and Italy non-threats?! Spain still has good economy/decent military, and are in a brilliant position to hit France from one side, whilst Britain gets another.


Italy has one of the top 10 largest militaries in the world, and once it's economy is fixed; is very much a threat to you and Germany. Russia could essentially deal with all of East Europe (Turkey included), whilst Spain-UK-sandwich France, and Nordic Union-Balkan Confederation-Italy sandwich Germany.


A WW3 between us COULD go either way, but geographically the Axis is at a big disadvantage.


Keep in mind Nazi-Germany' technology was unrivaled, I'm sure they saw much of their enemies as 'non-threats'

 

[Serenade]

Also, let's be honest here, the Paris-Berlin Axis is in a much better position than the original Axis. Spain and Italy are both non-threats, the Balkans is surrounded by the German Union and now-Axis-member Turkey. So really, the only two countries posing anything close to a threat are Russia and the Nordic Union, both of which could be pacified in a length engagement. Just as we'd have a hard time landing troops in Britain, Britain would have a hard time landing troops in Mainland Europe, especially in Normandy, which is still somewhat militarized. You could go through Spain, but the French would likely pin you down crossing the Pyrenees, not to mention the Basque and Catalan insurgencies.

After you've seen Project:Exonaut and Project:Martyr

 

[Archon]

Long story short; you can be as powerful as you want, but fighting a war on more than one front is setting yourself up for defeat.

 

[Shireling]

What?
Spain and Italy non-threats?! Spain still has good economy/decent military, and are in a brilliant position to hit France from one side, whilst Britain gets another.


Italy has one of the top 10 largest militaries in the world, and once it's economy is fixed; is very much a threat to you and Germany. Russia could essentially deal with all of East Europe (Turkey included), whilst Spain-UK-sandwich France, and Nordic Union-Balkan Confederation-Italy sandwich Germany.


A WW3 between us COULD go either way, but geographically the Axis is at a big disadvantage.


Keep in mind Nazi-Germany' technology was unrivaled, I'm sure they saw much of their enemies as 'non-threats'

I doubt Spain and Italy have kept up in military spending to rival France and Germany. And although Russia has a large military, much of its equipment is outdated. Also, speaking in terms of veterancy, French troops have been engaged in the Middle East for decades, whereas Spanish, Italian, and I'm assuming British troops have not. Combat experience creates a pretty decisive edge. You can train and train, but it doesn't really set in until you have guys shooting at you, if that makes sense. In the end, I think the geographical disadvantage is negated by the concentration of arms.

 

[Shireling]

Long story short; you can be as powerful as you want, but fighting a war on more than one front is setting yourself up for defeat.

It's been done before.

 

[Archon]

I doubt Spain and Italy have kept up in military spending to rival France and Germany. And although Russia has a large military, much of its equipment is outdated. Also, speaking in terms of veterancy, French troops have been engaged in the Middle East for decades, whereas Spanish, Italian, and I'm assuming British troops have not. Combat experience creates a pretty decisive edge. You can train and train, but it doesn't really set in until you have guys shooting at you, if that makes sense. In the end, I think the geographical disadvantage is negated by the concentration of arms.

I disagree. That would be plausible if WW2 had never happened. But German troops were undoubtedly the best trained, most combat ready in Europe by a landslide. With the best technology. They got beat because they were fighting a war on two fronts, and whilst Spain and Italy can't compete with you and Germany, this would essentially be 5 nations vs 4. Italy-Spain-U.K-Balkan Confederation-Nordic Union VS Germany-France-Netherlands-Belgium (not even going to count Luxembourg) Russia basically takes the East, since they also have outdated, inefficient militaries. If France was fighting on two fronts, it would have to split its manpower to combat both North and South, same for Germany. I don't believe half of France's military could hold Britain back, only half would likely struggle holding Spain back.


((I'm interested in hearing counter-arguments by the way, I find it can be quite educating if I'm wrong!))

 

[Serenade]

Not to mention, as you can see, the Balkan Confederation has been rapidly increasing its military, tanks, planes and now even the navy.


Can into very large military

 

[lcomstock4]

The Balkans would have there hands full with the Turks, Russia would be at war with all of eastern Europe (remember that declaration) British troops would have a hard time landing in Germany or France, Normandy would of been an utter failure if Hitler had sent in his panzer and hadn't been fooled by the allies, the Germans lost the war partly because of Hitler being militarily incompetent. Also Germany did not have a strong ally in the European theater as the Italians were a joke, this is my personal belief and if it does happen I wont be moderating it

 

[High Moon]

Dont Forget Iran! They Will Surely join the Axis!