Nation Building 2028 A World of Strife (Modern)

[Shireling]

The United States won WW2... the US isn't in either of these alliance that's a big factor. The German Army alone decimated the Russian, Greek, French and British militaries, the Russians were decimated just not beaten, the US getting involved is what brought Germany to its knees

I think British stick-to-it-iveness helped as well.

 

[Serenade]

MURICA!

 

[Archon]

The United States won WW2... the US isn't in either of these alliance that's a big factor. The German Army alone decimated the Russian, Greek, French and British militaries, the Russians were decimated just not beaten, the US getting involved is what brought Germany to its knees

I think I'll drop out of the conversation. That's a statement that bugs me a little.


The Soviet Union contributed the most effort to winning.


France/Britain held Hitler back the longest.


The U.S just finished Nazi Germany off. They didn't 'win'.


In my opinion.

 

[Shireling]

I think I'll drop out of the conversation. That's a statement that bugs me a little.
The Soviet Union contributed the most effort to winning.


France/Britain held Hitler back the longest.


The U.S just finished Nazi Germany off. They didn't 'win'.


In my opinion.

Well without American supplies, Russia and Britain both might have fallen. They also did beat the Japs almost singlehandedly.

 

[Archon]

Well without American supplies, Russia and Britain both might have fallen. They also did beat the Japs almost singlehandedly.

The U.S gets full credit for beating Japan.


Just not Germany. The Soviet's occupied Berlin, had Hitler never warred with them; I think the U.S would have lost with Europe. With all German manpower to the West the Allies+America would have took tremendous losses - even with German manpower divided; America still took a severe beating.

 

[lcomstock4]

I think British stick-to-it-iveness helped as well.

The Germans vs the Russians without US aid could of gone either way... The US propped up the Russian and British governments with supplies from the untouched US industry. The Russians lost the most men, and inflicted the highest number of casualties against the Germans as well but won by using there men as a literal meat shield, everyone contributed but without the US the war would of went were differently. The British military would not of had US supplies and food keeping them adrift, but America did not win the war single handily

 

[lcomstock4]

 

[High Moon]

can we make something like this for new axis? A map I mean.

 

[lcomstock4]

We have maps the newest one is being uploaded soon they are in the overview

 

[Archon]

The Germans vs the Russians without US aid could of gone either way... The US propped up the Russian and British governments with supplies from the untouched US industry. The Russians lost the most men, and inflicted the highest number of casualties against the Germans as well but won by using there men as a literal meat shield

The U.S.A was a massive factor for winning the war, without supplies they MIGHT have fallen. Britain probably would have fallen. But the Soviet's are the ones who broke the German power after Stalingrad, they bled the most, they hit the hardest. I think they contributed the most to the war effort, especially considering they occupied Berlin.


I think Europe+America would have lost without the Soviet's. However, I believe the war would have turned out the same without American troops deployed. When they started actively fighting in France/Germany, the German military had already been crushed. If anything, in terms of 'winning' the war:


1: Soviet Union (Broke German Power)


2: Great Britain/France (Held Hitler at bay, stopped him from dominating Western Europe)


3:U.S.A (Supplied the Allies+SU) (Japan was never going to engage in Europe)


((I think those statistics kinda prove my point? ))

 

[lcomstock4]

The U.S.A was a massive factor for winning the war, without supplies they MIGHT have fallen. Britain probably would have fallen. But the Soviet's are the ones who broke the German power after Stalingrad, they bled the most, they hit the hardest. I think they contributed the most to the war effort, especially considering they occupied Berlin.
I think Europe+America would have lost without the Soviet's. However, I believe the war would have turned out the same without American troops deployed. When they started actively fighting in France/Germany, the German military had already been crushed. If anything, in terms of 'winning' the war:


1: Soviet Union (Broke German Power)


2: Great Britain/France (Held Hitler at bay, stopped him from dominating Western Europe)


3:U.S.A (Supplied the Allies+SU) (Japan was never going to engage in Europe)


((I think those statistics kinda prove my point? ))

They back up both our assertions. The soviets broke the German war machine but it would of been a much longer war without US help coupled with the fact that Germany did not have France as an ally or turkey (though turkey like them ) The US kept both the British and Soviet war machines going. The American air force also broke the Luftwaffe without that the Russians would of experienced a lot more casualties. If Germany could of consolidated its forces it is possible they could of routed the Soviets but the US made that difficult even before the fighting in France and Germany as the threat of invasion loomed.

 

[Archon]

They back up both our assertions. The soviets broke the German war machine but it would of been a much longer war without US help coupled with the fact that Germany did not have France as an ally or turkey (though turkey like them ) The US kept both the British and Soviet war machines going. The American air force also broke the Luftwaffe without that the Russians would of experienced a lot more casualties.

My only point was the result, I think Germany would have lost without America there anyway; even if Russian casualties were abysmal. But without the Soviet's Europe+U.S.A would have lost, especially if the U.S deployed as late as they did irl.


But regardless, the war happened; and all countries involved against Hitler contributed to the war effort.

 

[High Moon]

Germany did not have France as an ally or turkey (though turkey like them )

“Atatürk was the first to show that it is possible to mobilize and regenerate the resources that a country has lost. In this respect Atatürk was a teacher. Mussolini was his first and I his second student.”Guess who said this. it starts with A and ends with R

 

[High Moon]

Yes we were pretty Much Facists until 1945...

 

[Shireling]

I think I'm going to start writing vignettes like the soldiers' letters to give the RP a little more human depth.

 

[Shireling]

Pages out of Blaise's diary:


Dear Diary,


I got a new country today! It's so cute! But you have to feed it really often and it gets scared easily.

 

[Serenade]

That letter almost tear me up France, for real.

 

[Shireling]

That letter almost tear me up France, for real.

I was going for a tear-jerker.

 

[Spacekitty]

Hitler's own military ability wasn't a massive factor; afterall his general's did most of the battle-planning and tactics for him, and the German army had some outstanding Generals. (Although a policy of Hitler's which I forgot the name of was a massive factor for losing the war). And landing in Normandy wouldn't (in my opinion) be a huge problem - at this point in time - due to the Navl superiority, and Advanced Destroyers. (This gets complicated when the Flying fortress is developed).
Also, Russia's Tesla Tanks could probably steamroll/blitzkrieg Eastern Europe. They'll have gone from outdated tanks -> Futuristic tanks.


LONG STORY SHORT! @Shireling stop trying to make WW3 happen! O_O


Iran can't join the Axis now. The people would turn against them, since the Iranian caliphate is all about 'removing Western influence'. @Bobisdead123 ((Am I right?))

I technically am in it since Turkey is in it and we are bound together

 

[lcomstock4]

Pages out of Jager's Diary


Dear Journal- I don't really like British as I got them out of a world war and they still hate me. Well I guess we can still be friends at another point. Russia for some reason hates me too. I don't know why. Maybe I could be friends with them. You know what sound good cookies.

 

[Shireling]

Pages out of Jager's Diary
Dear Journal- I don't really like British as I got them out of a world war and they still hate me. Well I guess we can still be friends at another point. Russia for some reason hates me too. I don't know why. Maybe I could be friends with them. You know what sound good cookies.

When the French are scheming and the Germans just want cookies.

 

[JB5899]

Im so confused as to why we are arguing about the US and WW2...

 

[Shireling]

Im so confused as to why we are arguing about the US and WW2...

Any internet thread will at some point talk about WWII and the Nazis.

 

[JB5899]

Any internet thread will at some point talk about WWII and the Nazis.

Sadly... But then we can debate as to who was worse Hitler or Stalin!!!

 

[lcomstock4]

Any internet thread will at some point talk about WWII and the Nazis.

Sadly... But then we can debate as to who was worse Hitler or Stalin!!!

Stalin