Nation Building 2028 A World of Strife (Modern)

[Serenade]

The Balkans would have there hands full with the Turks, Russia would be at war with all of eastern Europe (remember that declaration) British troops would have a hard time landing in Germany or France, Normandy would of been an utter failure if Hitler had sent in his panzer and hadn't been fooled by the allies, the Germans lost the war partly because of Hitler being militarily incompetent. Also Germany did not have a strong ally in the European theater as the Italians were a joke, this is my personal belief and if it does happen I wont be moderating it

Looking back at Turkey's military I do outnumber them in airforce but...I do believe my tanks are better technology wise. Not to mention I've already beated the Turks once (} )

 

[Archon]

The Balkans would have there hands full with the Turks, Russia would be at war with all of eastern Europe (remember that declaration) British troops would have a hard time landing in Germany or France, Normandy would of been an utter failure if Hitler had sent in his panzer and hadn't been fooled by the allies, the Germans lost the war partly because of Hitler being militarily incompetent. Also Germany did not have a strong ally in the European theater as the Italians were a joke, this is my personal belief and if it does happen I wont be moderating it

Hitler's own military ability wasn't a massive factor; afterall his general's did most of the battle-planning and tactics for him, and the German army had some outstanding Generals. (Although a policy of Hitler's which I forgot the name of was a massive factor for losing the war). And landing in Normandy wouldn't (in my opinion) be a huge problem - at this point in time - due to the Navl superiority, and Advanced Destroyers. (This gets complicated when the Flying fortress is developed).


Also, Russia's Tesla Tanks could probably steamroll/blitzkrieg Eastern Europe. They'll have gone from outdated tanks -> Futuristic tanks.


LONG STORY SHORT! @Shireling stop trying to make WW3 happen! O_O

Dont Forget Iran! They Will Surely join the Axis!

Iran can't join the Axis now. The people would turn against them, since the Iranian caliphate is all about 'removing Western influence'. @Bobisdead123 ((Am I right?))

 

[lcomstock4]

Looking back at Turkey's military I do outnumber them in airforce but...I do believe my tanks are better technology wise.

The problem with the Balkans is your military is designed to fight other Balkan States, its from the Cold war. You should focus on modernizing

 

[lcomstock4]

Hitler's own military ability wasn't a massive factor; afterall his general's did most of the battle-planning and tactics for him, and the German army had some outstanding Generals. (Although a policy of Hitler's which I forgot the name of was a massive factor for losing the war). And landing in Normandy wouldn't (in my opinion) be a huge problem - at this point in time - due to the Navl superiority, and Advanced Destroyers. (This gets complicated when the Flying fortress is developed).
Also, Russia's Tesla Tanks could probably steamroll/blitzkrieg Eastern Europe. They'll have gone from outdated tanks -> Futuristic tanks.


LONG STORY SHORT! @Shireling stop trying to make WW3 happen! O_O


Iran can't join the Axis now. The people would turn against them, since the Iranian caliphate is all about 'removing Western influence'. @Bobisdead123 ((Am I right?))

Naval superiority is a big deal for countries like the United States but do little in Europe as the Air force is king. That is why the carrier is so important. I love discussions like this Hitler lost the war because he constantly ignored his generals advice one of which to withdraw from Russia. That came back to bite him in the but when soviet forces surrounded his army in Stalingrad

 

[High Moon]

I dont belive there will be a WWIII just a Second Cold War and Arms race.

 

[Serenade]

The problem with the Balkans is your military is designed to fight other Balkan States, its from the Cold war. You should focus on modernizing

The Balkan military is modernized. Notably Greece's military sector part, I have M84AS tanks (very similiar to the Russian's T-90s, Leopard 2A6s, T-72s and some Leopard 1s. Also some updated Pattons.) As for the air force, again the Greek military sector saves me, (MiG-29s,F-16s etc etc) As for the navy...there heavily armed nevertheless to say.

 

[Serenade]

Naval superiority is a big deal for countries like the United States but do little in Europe as the Air force is king. That is why the carrier is so important. I love discussions like this Hitler lost the war because he constantly ignored his generals advice one of which to withdraw from Russia. That came back to bite him in the but when soviet forces surrounded his army in Stalingrad

Hitler was a lot like Stalin when it came to retreating

 

[lcomstock4]

The Balkan military is modernized. Notably Greece's military sector part, I have M84AS tanks (very similiar to the Russian's T-90s, Leopard 2A6s, T-72s and some Leopard 1s. Also some updated Pattons.) As for the air force, again the Greek military sector saves me, (MiG-29s,F-16s etc etc) As for the navy...there heavily armed nevertheless to say.

The Greek military though large fell into deep disrepair during there debt crisis. Not to mention the fact Russia military is also very primitive.

 

[High Moon]

navy

Turkey and Greece...always having Naval Arms race like little Children xD

 

[lcomstock4]

Hitler was a lot like Stalin when it came to retreating

Both were megalomaniacs, the fact was Stalin had more men to throw into the grinder and Germany was on to fronts

 

[Archon]

Naval superiority is a big deal for countries like the United States but do little in Europe as the Air force is king. That is why the carrier is so important. I love discussions like this Hitler lost the war because he constantly ignored his generals advice one of which to withdraw from Russia. That came back to bite him in the but when soviet forces surrounded his army in Stalingrad

I think I forced the Navy aspect of Europe to step up; My Advanced Destroyer's are very much capable of taking on aircraft.


And I agree, that Hitler did not listen to his generals, but bringing Russia into the war was foolish, Stalingrad was a disaster, a WW3 with us would bring Russia into the war regardless. I personally think that's your biggest threat. Eastern Europe is a very fragile buffer, from basically fighting a war on three fronts - let alone two.

 

[High Moon]

Hitler was a lot like Stalin when it came to retreating

Stalin was worse than Hitler...He mass Murdered more People,Forced Ethnic populace out of their Homes,Ordered Execution of Retreating Soldiers...many more

 

[Archon]

I dont belive there will be a WWIII just a Second Cold War and Arms race.

If France keeps doing it's thing it will be a World War... :/

 

[High Moon]

Stalin was worse than Hitler...

No wonder why all Muslims and Turks joined SS Regiments...

 

[Archon]

Stalin was worse than Hitler...He mass Murdered more People,Forced Ethnic populace out of their Homes,Ordered Execution of Retreating Soldiers...many more

They were both monsters.


'Who was worse' is such a stupid statement. Who cares? Both were still the worst kind of people, judging the nastiest of two genocidal maniacs is pointless.

 

[Serenade]

The Greek military though large fell into deep disrepair during there debt crisis. Not to mention the fact Russia military is also very primitive.

The Russian military was based on quantity over quality I do believe, however, the T-90 is a very formidable tank being one of Russia's most modern, the Greek military may have seen cutted budgets but...the equipment was still there and by now, the equipment is being used in the Balkan armed forces. Very modern.

 

[High Moon]

The Russian military was based on quantity over quality I do believe, however, the T-90 is a very formidable tank being one of Russia's most modern, the Greek military may have seen cutted budgets but...the equipment was still there and by now, the equipment is being used in the Balkan armed forces. Very modern.

Yet they have not been used ever since what? 1950's? Greek Army has no Experiance.

 

[High Moon]

1950's?

Correction 1974 (B')

 

[Shireling]

I brought up experience earlier. Axis armies have combat experience, Allies don't.

 

[Archon]

I brought up experience earlier. Axis armies have combat experience, Allies don't.

Yes, I countered the argument I believe.

 

[Serenade]

Correction 1974 (B')

Er...the experience falls on the veterans fighting in the Yugoslavian wars I suppose, and the Balkans have been deployed in peacekeeping operations (IRL)


We can into experience, high tech and big military!

 

[Serenade]

I brought up experience earlier. Axis armies have combat experience, Allies don't.

What are you talking about? The French were much better experienced then the Axis! In waving white flags that is.

 

[High Moon]

Wait I know how to Take Russia out of the Picture! Quick! AXIS POWERS ASSEMBLE!...And Help me with Creating Turan...

 

[Shireling]

What are you talking about? The French were much better experienced then the Axis! In waving white flags that is.

You surrender once, you never live it down.

 

[lcomstock4]

The United States won WW2... the US isn't in either of these alliance that's a big factor. The German Army alone decimated the Russian, Greek, French and British militaries, the Russians were decimated just not beaten, the US getting involved is what brought Germany to its knees