Hall Kervean
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I gave the summary in bold font at the bottom.
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Sunbather
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Okay, but I still don't understand how, presumably literally every point in there was correct, how does it makes the entirety of the prequels as well as the originals better than TFA based on one scene. Like, the comparison only even concerns one movie of the first six, and that is the first prequel. So then , assuming somehow this vastly superior presentation of Space-Magic Ship Racing made the entire movie better, how does that, at all, concern, you know, the other five movies?
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Hall Kervean
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No, I was highlighting one element.
I could do go into about as much detail on most of the other ones a s well
Sunbather
Le photographe est mort
I asked you to present your points neatly. You said you did in the bolded section. The bolded section discusses one point.
Once you got your mind figured out, I'll be all ears again.
Hall Kervean
Two Thousand Club
I meant I had all the points I discussed on that one part in the bolded section.I asked you to present your points neatly. You said you did in the bolded section. The bolded section discusses one point.
Once you got your mind figured out, I'll be all ears again.
Which you then
to.
So I was asking you specifically to tell me what I did wrong and where I was wrong with regards to that one thing.
Sunbather
Le photographe est mort
Yeah, but you didn't though. I skimmed over the first cluster post, and the upper part that preceded the bolded part, and it's totally not condensed into that.
But, sure. I'll just reply to the bolded stuff specifically then, since that's more or less readable:
- How do you know Anakin is any more or less chosen than Rey? For one, he certainly wasn't the person the Jedi thought him to be. He arguably still fulfilled the whole "bringing balance" spiel, but still. Who knows who Rey is, in the end? Maybe she's a random person, maybe she's not. I'll get to tat point at the end though. In any case, Anakin just randomly built a fully functioning cyborg with a genuine A.I. to boot when he was what? Six? I don't understand how that is any more or less absurd than to think a survivalist around the age of twenty who has spent years around rogues, murderers, scavengers, pilots and who knows what sorta crowds. Oh, and did you forgot the actual race in the movie? Anakin went up against infamous criminal racers, was under fire, and his machine was about to explode. He was A CHILD(!) and managed to not only defeat experienced and ruthless racers with a shitty, broken machine, he also did so while under immense stress.
Oh, and as for Rey: When she and Finn enter the Falcon, she a.) immediately tells Finn where the gun-station is as well as confidently states that the ship hasn't been flown in years. Unless the script writers and all of the quality control went full-on braindead here and just figured "It's fine, whatever." this clearly indicates that she has at least some knowledge of the ship. Don't forget that just because it's the Falcon, it's not a total novelty ship. I had to look it up, but it very clearly is a mass-manufactured freight, and an arguably old one at that. Given Rey's backstory it is far from absurd to assume she has at least some vague knowledge of the ship, whether that is because she snuck into that particular one or if she's just read theoretical stuff about the model (or a related one) is up to interpretation, but either is fair game. She is also shown as relatively secure in her take-off, but then the ship itself almost crash lands. She also consistently scrapes the floor or ruins and so on, which I'm guessing is the result of her not having any or not much practical experience flying proper ships.
I do agree that some of the maneuvers she pulls are a bit too much though, especially since they clearly intended to present her flying skills as rudimentary through other details, such as the scraping, nervousness when operating the machine etc.
Last point that's interesting is that you literally don't know (I don't either) whether Rey is already using the force. Her proper, conscious introduction was happening during TFA, yes. I'd also say the first on-screen occurrence is likely the most significant of her life, but given the danger of her everyday routine and how well she seemed to have made it through, despite the environment she lived in, I'd say it's likely a certain level of subconscious, unaware utilization was happening there. That's purely speculation though. The reason I'm mentioning it is because you're essentially weighting the knowledge of six movies (and arguably all the non-movie sources) against one single film.
Summary: Rey is exactly in line with the godly affinity of previous major characters, be it Luke or Anakin. She's a Mary Sue, but so were the others, so I don't exactly understand the issue. Only reason people get mad over it now but not then is either a.) they're jaded grown-ups who grew up with the originals and don't like the story repeating with a character that isn't "theirs" b.) the opposite crowd of the SJW factions, who think every time a female character is good at everything it's the "feminist agenda" or whatever.
The few people that genuinely pick apart the movies and also find the originals and prequels stupid, and just don't like Star Wars, sure, fair enough. I actually don't like any of the first six movies myself, I just find the new cast considerably more endearing than the old one, and the fighting scenes aren't as cringy anymore, which is why I somewhat enjoyed TFA.
Quick heads-up: I only replied because you asked me to, and because the one thing you singled out wanting a reply to was fairly digestible. I don't really feel like writing novels back and forth over "Hey I like that movies but not those", especially when it's a franchise I don't really like that much to begin with, so I'll be peacing out now. After I finished my post I dug up this post I read a few months ago. It covers most stuff pretty well you likely have or will want to bring up, so just pretend these are my replies: No, Rey From 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' Is Not A Mary Sue I don't generally like Forbes too much, but I thought this article was pretty good. (Although I should note that I disagree with the basic premise of the author. I do think she's a Mary Sue, as are many other SW characters, and I think that's simply part of the universe and part of the style the whole franchise is anchored in.)
But, sure. I'll just reply to the bolded stuff specifically then, since that's more or less readable:
- How do you know Anakin is any more or less chosen than Rey? For one, he certainly wasn't the person the Jedi thought him to be. He arguably still fulfilled the whole "bringing balance" spiel, but still. Who knows who Rey is, in the end? Maybe she's a random person, maybe she's not. I'll get to tat point at the end though. In any case, Anakin just randomly built a fully functioning cyborg with a genuine A.I. to boot when he was what? Six? I don't understand how that is any more or less absurd than to think a survivalist around the age of twenty who has spent years around rogues, murderers, scavengers, pilots and who knows what sorta crowds. Oh, and did you forgot the actual race in the movie? Anakin went up against infamous criminal racers, was under fire, and his machine was about to explode. He was A CHILD(!) and managed to not only defeat experienced and ruthless racers with a shitty, broken machine, he also did so while under immense stress.
Oh, and as for Rey: When she and Finn enter the Falcon, she a.) immediately tells Finn where the gun-station is as well as confidently states that the ship hasn't been flown in years. Unless the script writers and all of the quality control went full-on braindead here and just figured "It's fine, whatever." this clearly indicates that she has at least some knowledge of the ship. Don't forget that just because it's the Falcon, it's not a total novelty ship. I had to look it up, but it very clearly is a mass-manufactured freight, and an arguably old one at that. Given Rey's backstory it is far from absurd to assume she has at least some vague knowledge of the ship, whether that is because she snuck into that particular one or if she's just read theoretical stuff about the model (or a related one) is up to interpretation, but either is fair game. She is also shown as relatively secure in her take-off, but then the ship itself almost crash lands. She also consistently scrapes the floor or ruins and so on, which I'm guessing is the result of her not having any or not much practical experience flying proper ships.
I do agree that some of the maneuvers she pulls are a bit too much though, especially since they clearly intended to present her flying skills as rudimentary through other details, such as the scraping, nervousness when operating the machine etc.
Last point that's interesting is that you literally don't know (I don't either) whether Rey is already using the force. Her proper, conscious introduction was happening during TFA, yes. I'd also say the first on-screen occurrence is likely the most significant of her life, but given the danger of her everyday routine and how well she seemed to have made it through, despite the environment she lived in, I'd say it's likely a certain level of subconscious, unaware utilization was happening there. That's purely speculation though. The reason I'm mentioning it is because you're essentially weighting the knowledge of six movies (and arguably all the non-movie sources) against one single film.
Summary: Rey is exactly in line with the godly affinity of previous major characters, be it Luke or Anakin. She's a Mary Sue, but so were the others, so I don't exactly understand the issue. Only reason people get mad over it now but not then is either a.) they're jaded grown-ups who grew up with the originals and don't like the story repeating with a character that isn't "theirs" b.) the opposite crowd of the SJW factions, who think every time a female character is good at everything it's the "feminist agenda" or whatever.
The few people that genuinely pick apart the movies and also find the originals and prequels stupid, and just don't like Star Wars, sure, fair enough. I actually don't like any of the first six movies myself, I just find the new cast considerably more endearing than the old one, and the fighting scenes aren't as cringy anymore, which is why I somewhat enjoyed TFA.
Quick heads-up: I only replied because you asked me to, and because the one thing you singled out wanting a reply to was fairly digestible. I don't really feel like writing novels back and forth over "Hey I like that movies but not those", especially when it's a franchise I don't really like that much to begin with, so I'll be peacing out now. After I finished my post I dug up this post I read a few months ago. It covers most stuff pretty well you likely have or will want to bring up, so just pretend these are my replies: No, Rey From 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' Is Not A Mary Sue I don't generally like Forbes too much, but I thought this article was pretty good. (Although I should note that I disagree with the basic premise of the author. I do think she's a Mary Sue, as are many other SW characters, and I think that's simply part of the universe and part of the style the whole franchise is anchored in.)
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Axel The Englishman
The Holy Crusader
By Golly.
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Axel The Englishman
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What about It?
Dr.Nekoshu
Confuse. Improvise. Overcome.
The Light Side has better cookies than the Dark... Why?
They only have chocolate, I prefer snickerdoodle.
They only have chocolate, I prefer snickerdoodle.
Axel The Englishman
The Holy Crusader
Well, then.
Have at the!
Have at the!
Rock And Roll Boy
Three Thousand Club
*Hugs
Axel The Englishman
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Axel The Englishman
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Dr.Nekoshu
Confuse. Improvise. Overcome.
...
I gladly accept the challenge.
I gladly accept the challenge.
Axel The Englishman
The Holy Crusader
Force lightning should do the trick.
Dr.Nekoshu
Confuse. Improvise. Overcome.
Easy to be rid of, either via lightsaber or by holding it with a force pull and then releasing it as a ball of electrified force.
Axel The Englishman
The Holy Crusader
We'll see if you're good enough to do so.
JayTee
Eight Thousand Club
I kinda have to go with the Lightside here.
Dark side is crazy strong, but it's specialized in acts of destruction. Very useful in a combat setting, like the star wars universe, but the Light side has a lot of useful utility effects that, when properly applied, can be more useful and situationally stronger than the Dark side.
If my time playing DnD has taught me anything, it's that out of combat, utility magic is a lot stronger when applied strategically than the hyper destructive but ultimately tactically limited blasting magic.
Dark side is crazy strong, but it's specialized in acts of destruction. Very useful in a combat setting, like the star wars universe, but the Light side has a lot of useful utility effects that, when properly applied, can be more useful and situationally stronger than the Dark side.
If my time playing DnD has taught me anything, it's that out of combat, utility magic is a lot stronger when applied strategically than the hyper destructive but ultimately tactically limited blasting magic.
Axel The Englishman
The Holy Crusader
Traitor! Nay, heresy!
Dr.Nekoshu
Confuse. Improvise. Overcome.
Thanks
JayTee
!! And it is not heresy if one does not believe in it.
JayTee
!! And it is not heresy if one does not believe in it.
Ziggy
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BlackBlood
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I really enjoy creepypasta readings on youtube (Unironically, really!) Though I do admit most pastas are pretty lame there really are some diamonds in the rough out there.
Eddsworld isn't funny. I think I laughed once after watching through every episode. No disrespect to the creator; I guess I just don't share his sense of humor. (BTW the one place I laughed was when the hippo falls on Tord in 'moving targets' figures that one lame joke is the only thing in this entire comedy that I find funny)
Steven Universe is overrated. Its not a bad show but I can't ignore the weird pacing and episode arrangement at times, the ending of 'Bismuth' and the wtf production schedule. Plus Steven is a bit too dumbed down and gullible in season one for me to really like him.
I also think RWBY is stupid. If anywhere is a bad place to say that its here given the amount of RWBY RPs I see going up and talked about all the time. If it picks up in the later seasons then I'd be glad to hear it but I couldn't make the climb through the god-awful bully arc in season 2 and dropped the series. Flashy fight scenes cant save it from its mess of a story and bloated cast of underdeveloped characters.
I really enjoy creepypasta readings on youtube (Unironically, really!) Though I do admit most pastas are pretty lame there really are some diamonds in the rough out there.
Eddsworld isn't funny. I think I laughed once after watching through every episode. No disrespect to the creator; I guess I just don't share his sense of humor. (BTW the one place I laughed was when the hippo falls on Tord in 'moving targets' figures that one lame joke is the only thing in this entire comedy that I find funny)
Steven Universe is overrated. Its not a bad show but I can't ignore the weird pacing and episode arrangement at times, the ending of 'Bismuth' and the wtf production schedule. Plus Steven is a bit too dumbed down and gullible in season one for me to really like him.
I also think RWBY is stupid. If anywhere is a bad place to say that its here given the amount of RWBY RPs I see going up and talked about all the time. If it picks up in the later seasons then I'd be glad to hear it but I couldn't make the climb through the god-awful bully arc in season 2 and dropped the series. Flashy fight scenes cant save it from its mess of a story and bloated cast of underdeveloped characters.
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Hall Kervean
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