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Fandom Shirou Emiya's Smithing Shop - OOC

Interestingly, I'd put Lancers NP somewhere around being similar to Shakespeare and Semiramis, though nowhere near as powerful due to significant reasons
 
About how long ago is the cut off point then? Don Quixote is literally from 1610

The cutoff point is basically "If they actually existed" (As Thomas Edison, Tesla, Geronimo, Columbus, etc were summoned), or if not real, long enough ago that people actually believed them to be real.
 
And servants summoned from recent times are generally way weaker unless they have the extreme levels of fame or some gimmick.
 
The cutoff point is basically "If they actually existed" (As Thomas Edison, Tesla, Geronimo, Columbus, etc were summoned), or if not real, long enough ago that people actually believed them to be real.
Well when its sci-fi... then thats going to be never... damn it..
 
About how long ago is the cut off point then? Don Quixote is literally from 1610

Long enough for the possibility of it being real to come into effect. The latest literary hero we have is Moriarty from Sherlock Holmes. But like all literary heroes the justification is that the guy was real and actually existed, the grail just augmented him with power from his legend. It's the same way Vlad III gets vampiric traits when summoned due to his legend of being Dracula, despite not being a vampire in life. Heroes are influenced by their legends and so for literary heroes you have the actual person the story was based on being given traits and powers from those stories.
 
About how long ago is the cut off point then? Don Quixote is literally from 1610
Early 1900's I'd say usually say, unless they're cornerstones of culture, say, for example, the writinga of C.S. Lewis or Tolkien. But most people disagree with me on that latter bit.
 
And servants summoned from recent times are generally way weaker unless they have the extreme levels of fame or some gimmick.
So pretty much like say... I dunno Hitler was a servant. He'd be pretty powerful compared to most modern servants as he has extreme levels of fame(Infamy)

That would suck if Hitler was a servant to be honest :/
 
Early 1900's I'd say usually say, unless they're cornerstones of culture, say, for example, the writinga of C.S. Lewis or Tolkien. But most people disagree with me on that latter bit.

Mostly because EVERYONE knows Lord of the Rings is fictional, you can't summon Legolas rofl.
 
It also depends on the roleplay, some will probably let you summon more recent people (I've seen some fiction only ones that were okay.)

Long enough for the possibility of it being real to come into effect. The latest literary hero we have is Moriarty from Sherlock Holmes. But like all literary heroes the justification is that the guy was real and actually existed, the grail just augmented him with power from his legend. It's the same way Vlad III gets vampiric traits when summoned due to his legend of being Dracula, despite not being a vampire in life. Heroes are influenced by their legends and so for literary heroes you have the actual person the story was based on being given traits and powers from those stories.

It's not really spoilers, so I'll say this is basically 85% how Quixote works.
 
So pretty much like say... I dunno Hitler was a servant. He'd be pretty powerful compared to most modern servants as he has extreme levels of fame(Infamy)

That would suck if Hitler was a servant to be honest :/

Hitler as a servant would be badass. I've always wanted to be Rommel as Rider. Blitzkrieg motherfuckers.
 
Mostly because EVERYONE knows Lord of the Rings is fictional, you can't summon Legolas rofl.

Which is why Quixote couldn't normally be summoned, but through a loophole + Being in Spain they're allowed to, and they're still incredibly weak (And their NP would make her useless almost instantly without the significant mana source)
 
So pretty much like say... I dunno Hitler was a servant. He'd be pretty powerful compared to most modern servants as he has extreme levels of fame(Infamy)
Caster. Would be able to use norse magic because reasons. Also genderbent. Because not only Nasuverse, but also because the Americans actually tried to do it to him.
 
Caster. Would be able to use norse magic because reasons. Also genderbent. Because not only Nasuverse, but also because the Americans actually tried to do it to him.

Did you say Genderbent Hitler?
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Mostly because EVERYONE knows Lord of the Rings is fictional, you can't summon Legolas rofl.
But it shouldn't be based upon believability. It should be based on the effect on culture and the love of the people. But whatever, they can do what they want with their bloody series.
 
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BUT I STILL HAVE ZERO SABERS, NOT EVEN SILVER. HOW?
 
But it shouldn't be based upon believability. It should be based on the effect on culture and the love of the people. But whatever, they can do what they want with their bloody series.

It's based on reality. There isn't any truly fictional servants in Fate. Every "fictional" servant did exist. It's like Jesus in real life. It's common knowledge that Jesus was a real man and did actually live. The myth comes from him being the son of god and performing miracles. The Grail blends the two. They take the real person who really did live and then give them the powers and traits from the mythos surrounding them. So even if that person was just a normal man in life, as a heroic servant he's more like his legend describes him.

You can't have a truly 100% fictional servant, though. Which is why things like Lord of the Rings aren't possible, because that's just pure fiction. There is no real human that Aragorn or Legolas were based on that the grail could empower. So they can't be summoned because they never existed.
 

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