Danganronpa: The Tragedy

[Ammokkx]

Um, quick question, actually, who have violet hairs?
@Kiseichu

Looking through the characters:


Arisu, Aoi, Kyoko(she dead doe) and Alouette.

 

[Dreamtique]

Oh, sorry, missed your post just now. I noticed there are many good points in your post.

Isn't the logical conclusion that the murder wasn't pre-meditated? Monokumada predicted that the first murder would occur, but he could have just coaxed someone into it.

Yes. I completely agree with you. No one is planning to murder in the first place, yet Monokumada confidently claimed that a murder will take place, this means that no one but Monokuma had somehow "persuaded" someone to commit a murder, how evil...Blame Monokumada! But how he was able to do that and the motive behind the murder is still rather vague and unclear to us, but that is not that important for now.

Isn't there no other way for it to happen, than for the killer to have dyed their hair two colors before the murder?

We didn't find any wigs in the investigation after all. This would be the most sensible conclusion.

We still couldn't say much about what the murderer had done with her hair, sorcery maybe?


But still, we should really try to explain the "contradiction" (due to lack of evidence) that occurs if Tanaka Rin is proved to be not the killer.


But we shouldn't worry about that, as I spotted some evidence that we haven't even touched and try to focus on, for example, the "ghost sighting" mentioned by Chess and Nao, we could dig more information and clues directly from them later on. More evidence, more answer.


The unexplained "contradiction":


Tanaka Rin is not the killer, yet Kyoko has an undyed dark blue hair in her hand? If Tanaka Rin is the only one with dark blue hair here, how come?(EDIT: Also, the undyed dark blue hair is proofed to be real human hair. Yoko's test confirmed it.)


So is Tanaka Rin really the only person here with dark blue hair?


I have an advantage on this one actually, I know that Tanaka Rin has an alibi. I'll post after the smell test.

 

[Ammokkx]

Tanaka Rin is not the killer, yet Kyoko has an undyed dark blue hair in her hand? If Tanaka Rin is the only one with dark blue hair here, how come?


So is Tanaka Rin really the only person here with dark blue hair.

Hold up, when did it say there was undyed hair in her hand? I thought it was found on the second floor?

 

[Dreamtique]

I believe Sehema told us about finding that one of the strands of dark blue hair the victim was holding didn't smell of ammonia

Yep, there was.

 

[Ammokkx]

Yep, there was.

"I went searching upstairs and found a bottle of dark blue hair dye. I also found a strand of dark blue hair that wasn't dyed as well as more cosmetics."


No, that's a misunderstanding on Alouette's part.

 

[Dreamtique]

"I went searching upstairs and found a bottle of dark blue hair dye. I also found a strand of dark blue hair that wasn't dyed as well as more cosmetics."
No, that's a misunderstanding on Alouette's part.

Ah, you're right. It seemed to be! But we should really ask @Kiseichu about it.

 

[Dreamtique]

But I think it wouldn't have that much impact on my theory. So that's still okay.

 

[Kiseichu]

Ah, you're right. It seemed to be! But we should really ask @Kiseichu about it.

I did that intentionally so someone could correct her.

 

[TripTripleTimes]

Im not much of a help but i like how everything is coming together.

 

[Ammokkx]

Welp, that's out of the question. Maybe we can just ask Monokumada at the end of this phase if there's a student in the room with dyed hair?

 

[Kiseichu]

Welp, that's out of the question. Maybe we can just ask Monokumada at the end of this phase if there's a student in the room with dyed hair?

He can't answer that question

 

[Kiseichu]

@Ryik


I recommend using your revolver, doesn't hurt to play a little Russian roulette during the trial

 

[Ammokkx]

Aren't you witholding evidence? Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's multiple instances in the DR games where something happened in the middle of a trial to confirm someone's thesis. The thing that springs to mind immediately would be the Meat on the Bone from DR2, where Monokuma ate it to reveal the murder weapon inside. If we are not allowed to ask if a person has their hair dyed, nor be allowed to smell it, isn't it impossible to deduce if someone has dyed hair? Which, in turn, makes the mystery harder to solve than it should be.

 

[TripTripleTimes]

whops sorry, accidently pressed the post it button

 

[Kiseichu]

Aren't you witholding evidence? Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's multiple instances in the DR games where something happened in the middle of a trial to confirm someone's thesis. The thing that springs to mind immediately would be the Meat on the Bone from DR2, where Monokuma ate it to reveal the murder weapon inside. If we are not allowed to ask if a person has their hair dyed, nor be allowed to smell it, isn't it impossible to deduce if someone has dyed hair? Which, in turn, makes the mystery harder to solve than it should be.

It would be too easy if you were allowed to smell, and that's creepy and perverted.

 

[Kiseichu]

Aren't you witholding evidence? Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's multiple instances in the DR games where something happened in the middle of a trial to confirm someone's thesis. The thing that springs to mind immediately would be the Meat on the Bone from DR2, where Monokuma ate it to reveal the murder weapon inside. If we are not allowed to ask if a person has their hair dyed, nor be allowed to smell it, isn't it impossible to deduce if someone has dyed hair? Which, in turn, makes the mystery harder to solve than it should be.

Remember what kind of questions Monokumada can answer, you need to phrase it correctly. If he told you who was dyed hair then the murder would already be solved.

 

[Ryik]

@Ryik
I recommend using your revolver, doesn't hurt to play a little Russian roulette during the trial

If I used it now, I get the feeling I'd be dissatisfied with the result.

Looking through the characters:
Arisu, Aoi, Kyoko(she dead doe) and Alouette.

Alouette's hair is debatable, because of the lighting or whatever. If we discriminate shades of blue hairs, I don't think Alouette qualifies as "violet".


But remember that, if anything, having hair that color deconfirms the hair in Kyoko's hand from being theirs.

Oh, sorry, missed your post just now. I noticed there are many good points in your post.
Yes. I completely agree with you. No one is planning to murder in the first place, yet Monokumada confidently claimed that a murder will take place, this means that no one but Monokuma had somehow "persuaded" someone to commit a murder, how evil...Blame Monokumada! But how he was able to do that and the motive behind the murder is still rather vague and unclear to us, but that is not that important for now.


We still couldn't say much about what the murderer had done with her hair, sorcery maybe?


But still, we should really try to explain the "contradiction" (due to lack of evidence) that occurs if Tanaka Rin is proved to be not the killer.


But we shouldn't worry about that, as I spotted some evidence that we haven't even touched and try to focus on, for example, the "ghost sighting" mentioned by Chess and Nao, we could dig more information and clues directly from them later on. More evidence, more answer.


The unexplained "contradiction":


Tanaka Rin is not the killer, yet Kyoko has an undyed dark blue hair in her hand? If Tanaka Rin is the only one with dark blue hair here, how come?(EDIT: Also, the undyed dark blue hair is proofed to be real human hair. Yoko's test confirmed it.)


So is Tanaka Rin really the only person here with dark blue hair?


I have an advantage on this one actually, I know that Tanaka Rin has an alibi. I'll post after the smell test.

Both hairs have a distinct smell, almost as if they're dyed.

​

The only undyed hair was on the second floor.


*Proceeds to ask Monokumada a question without consulting anyone else*

 

[TripTripleTimes]

Wait, they were in the school for more than one day? welp

"...they were both dyed within the last day or two.

 

[Ryik]

Wait, they were in the school for more than one day? welp

...The RP has not gone on for longer than a day.


It's a simple fact that dyed hair smells of ammonia for a day or two before going away. The point was that even if half the students have dyed hair, they shouldn't smell like ammonia, because the smell would have gone away.


In other words, someone dyed their hair the night of the murder and washed it to its original color after the murder.

 

[TripTripleTimes]

...The RP has not gone on for longer than a day.
It's a simple fact that dyed hair smells of ammonia for a day or two before going away. The point was that even if half the students have dyed hair, they shouldn't smell like ammonia, because the smell would have gone away.


In other words, someone dyed their hair the night of the murder and washed it to its original color after the murder.

washed it as in dyed to it's original colour?


If they did, it will be incredibly difficult to change back from a very dark hair with the short time.


Ah man, I want to talk about the murder here but that would take the fun out in the IC, and with the post rule, I dont want to waste posts count (or is able to debate there).

 

[Ryik]

Yuina "Yu" Nakajima

The first part of the murder had been solved, now that they all figured out how it happened, it was either time for alibis, or guessing who the blackened was. Of course, Yuina still thought Mao Miki was the blackened, but she'd save that for later. However, the maid's behavior was quite strange, calm, a little too calm. Tanaka Rin wasn't even defending herself, was she trying to get everyone killed? Selfish bastards.

"Now that we figured out how the murder happened, we can work on alibis. But first, I need to ask a question. For every murder, there is a motive, so what would be the motive for this murder? Since we already agree that it was not planned, it would have to be done on a whim. If any of you remember the lure letter, then that would most likely be the motive. I suggest for the next question, we should ask Monokumada if he wrote the letter. I'm sure that he did, but once we get confirmation we can start picking off people from the list of suspects."

They were getting closer and closer till the end, she wondered what the execution would be like.
​

Yui no. Stop.


Since it was not planned, they couldn't have have intended to kill Kyoko initially. It doesn't, by any means, need to have been a whim. That rather devoids the point of a motive.


Everyone had a motive, and that motive is graduation.


How could Kyoko's lure letter be a motive? It was a lure, to get Kyoko to the bathroom. We don't even know if the killer read it.

@Ibuki

Under the sink you find a can of hair spray and a letter.

The Letter:

Hey Kyoko, I left some of my Monokumada brand cosmetics of Despair in the girl's bathroom, as a model I'm sure you need them to stay pretty. Enjoy them while you can because they won't be there after this night.


-Monokumada
​

Why would we need to ask about this?

washed it as in dyed to it's original colour?
If they did, it will be incredibly difficult to change back from a very dark hair with the short time.


Ah man, I want to talk about the murder here but that would take the fun out in the IC, and with the post rule, I dont want to waste posts count (or is able to debate there).

No.


Dyed hair smells of ammonia because you can't wash dyed hair. The dye needs time to settle in, otherwise you'll wash away the dye.


The killer had the entire investigation to wash the dye out of their hair.

 

[TripTripleTimes]

No.


Dyed hair smells of ammonia because you can't wash dyed hair. The dye needs time to settle in, otherwise you'll wash away the dye.


The killer had the entire investigation to wash the dye out of their hair.

Right, they did had the time. If the dye didn't settle in, doesn't that mean the colour be smuggled in the hand? I don't know how hair dye works, but I image it can be if it's not settled. But I think there is an exclusive clue for that and it hasn't been brought up.

Yui no. Stop.


Since it was not planned, they couldn't have intended to kill Kyoko initially. It doesn't, by any means, need to have been a whim. That rather devoids the point of a motive.


Everyone had a motive, and that motive is graduation.


How could Kyoko's lure letter be a motive? It was a lure, to get Kyoko to the bathroom. We don't even know if the killer read it.


Why would we need to ask about this?

If the killing wasn't planned, then where did the purple hair came from?


...


Ohh, I think we are thinking differently about the purple hair. I was thinking the purple hair was also dyed for its colour.


I think Yui skipped a bit of steps here, but I think I know where she is going with this. We should ask Monokumada about the letter and ask if he had any involvement with it. Then we will know if the murder is planned or not.

 

[Ryik]

Right, they did had the time. If the dye didn't settle in, doesn't that mean the colour be smuggled in the hand? I don't know how hair dye works, but I image it can be if it's not settled. But I think there is an exclusive clue for that and it hasn't been brought up.
If the killing wasn't planned, then where did the purple hair came from?


...


Ohh, I think we are thinking differently about the purple hair. I was thinking the purple hair was also dyed for its colour.


I think Yui skipped a bit of steps here, but I think I know where she is going with this. We should ask Monokumada about the letter and ask if he had any involvement with it. Then we will know if the murder is planned or not.

If the hair has dried properly, the dye will not bleed. I mean, it could, but not all dyes. Kyoko's hands were clean, so that basically explains itself.


The purple hair came from the killer? I thought we were over this. It was dyed for its color, and so was the dark blue hair.


I don't know where she's going with this. If Monokumada wrote the letter (As it says he did), why was there a huge struggle, and why was the murder weapon a shard of glass? It can't have been planned.

 

[OnceDarkness]

Yui no. Stop.


Since it was not planned, they couldn't have have intended to kill Kyoko initially. It doesn't, by any means, need to have been a whim. That rather devoids the point of a motive.


Everyone had a motive, and that motive is graduation.


How could Kyoko's lure letter be a motive? It was a lure, to get Kyoko to the bathroom. We don't even know if the killer read it.


Why would we need to ask about this?





No.


Dyed hair smells of ammonia because you can't wash dyed hair. The dye needs time to settle in, otherwise you'll wash away the dye.


The killer had the entire investigation to wash the dye out of their hair.

I've got a theory that there are actually two letters, and the second one is in the killer's room. Okay, so the letter is not a motive, but is tied to one, also the only motive is not graduation, maybe something happened in that bathroom, or some previous shit like that

 

[Ryik]

I've got a theory that there are actually two letters, and the second one is in the killer's room. Okay, so the letter is not a motive, but is tied to one, also the only motive is not graduation, maybe something happened in that bathroom, or some previous shit like that

Unfortunately, we don't have the evidence for that.


If we wanted to ask Monokumada about the letters, a better question would be "Who did you give letters to?" Knowing he wrote the one Kyoko had doesn't help us.


There's also likely another motive, yes, but the lack of a motive isn't a problem for any culprit.