cyl
Creepy smile
Because I am workiiiing :lol:
I would need to see the stats of the weapon(s) to validate it, but the concept is ok with me
I would need to see the stats of the weapon(s) to validate it, but the concept is ok with me
[Custom] Hands of the Renewal [Alliance of the Renewal]
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Coyotekin
Catalytic Diplomat
Because you're working? That's a BS excuse considering that you analyzed the other artifact, WHILE working I might add.
And the concept is fine, great, but that was not the question posed.
I asked what rating you would consider that artifact. And read that post so you know for sure please.
And the concept is fine, great, but that was not the question posed.
I asked what rating you would consider that artifact. And read that post so you know for sure please.
cyl
Creepy smile
oookay. So...
I... need... stats.
Are you suggesting your artifact is going to replicate common weapons (the only ones I found were Scythe, staff and Kamas, so I dunno how you consider dual bladed scythe...) only adding both MM bonuses (+3 to acc/def + 1 to rate) ?
If so, this would be a 3 dot artifact.
Also, it is easier to make a firefox window disappear than a suspicious pdf opened...part of the reasons I could analyze the previous artifact :wink:
I... need... stats.
Are you suggesting your artifact is going to replicate common weapons (the only ones I found were Scythe, staff and Kamas, so I dunno how you consider dual bladed scythe...) only adding both MM bonuses (+3 to acc/def + 1 to rate) ?
If so, this would be a 3 dot artifact.
Also, it is easier to make a firefox window disappear than a suspicious pdf opened...part of the reasons I could analyze the previous artifact :wink:
Coyotekin
Catalytic Diplomat
I am saying the weapon would replicate artifact versions. I guess the Double-Bladed Scythe would a dual-bladed sword. I am not sure what that would be for stats. Possibly a Daiklabar
Ultimately the weapon forms would be:
1) GrimScythe
2) Daiklabar
3) Artifact Sickles (Can't find the stats for Artifact versions)
4) Wrackstaff
Combined MM bonuses, to each weapon would be, +3Acc, +3Def, +1Rate
Ultimately the weapon forms would be:
1) GrimScythe
2) Daiklabar
3) Artifact Sickles (Can't find the stats for Artifact versions)
4) Wrackstaff
Combined MM bonuses, to each weapon would be, +3Acc, +3Def, +1Rate
cyl
Creepy smile
Oh then it's going to be a 4dot artifact, and no Moonsilver bonuses.
saganite
Two Thousand Club
Perhaps the Moonsilver is only there to help with the shape-changing aspect, and the wielder gets benefits from it beyond that? >_>
cyl
Creepy smile
Exactly.
If they were standard weapons traits I could have consented to give both to compensate a little, but since we're talking about artifacts traits, only one MM bonus can apply.
If they were standard weapons traits I could have consented to give both to compensate a little, but since we're talking about artifacts traits, only one MM bonus can apply.
Coyotekin
Catalytic Diplomat
Curses, foiled again. I have seen artifacts that allow you to do that. And the weapon can only hold one form at a time. And I am thinking with a 1-3 mote cost to change form of weapons as a reflexive action.
saganite
Two Thousand Club
Reflexive? Yeah, I'd think you probably should have a cost of at least 2m for shape-shifting that quickly. Hm... I have an idea. Why not have it shift for no cost as a Miscellaneous Action (Speed 5, DV -1), or X motes as a Reflexive Action? This will give it some out of combat utility and the ability to change it around without burning through your Essence when you're not in the thick of things.
Coyotekin
Catalytic Diplomat
That option sounds good too. I think as a 5 dot artifact it would be able to have both MM bonuses. Or maybe something more unique, like perhaps the use of Call the Loyal Blade with the ability to place it in Elsewhere. That would be interesting. Or maybe something more befitting of one in tune with Nature and the Land/Gaia.. Something unique. I can always buy the Charms for the Elsewhere deal.
saganite
Two Thousand Club
Lol you twink, why do you want the second MM bonus that much?
But really, why add more? Those other powers seem better fitting as they are in Charm form rather than as additional weapon powers. They don't really seem to fit the weapon's theme as much as the latter. :?
But really, why add more? Those other powers seem better fitting as they are in Charm form rather than as additional weapon powers. They don't really seem to fit the weapon's theme as much as the latter. :?
Coyotekin
Catalytic Diplomat
I don't know. I didn't want the other bonuses before. I guess I got caught up in it. I am not a twink by nature, so this would be a first I suppose. I usually can't stand making a character that is solely focused on one thing. I prefer the intellectuals, or ones that have some kind of depth to them.
Odin1
New Member
cyl:
forget about God Charms, I just made with normal Solar Charms. Maybe when the (down)time is right and I have XP to burn
forget about God Charms, I just made with normal Solar Charms. Maybe when the (down)time is right and I have XP to burn
saganite
Two Thousand Club
Same here, Coyotekin. I was just kidding around with you, in case you didn't realize. I apologize if I offended you at all 
ops:.
I really can't argue too much against you wanting the 2nnd MM bonus without being a hypocrite, as I just made a 5-dot Artifact with both Soulsteel and Orichalcum bonuses for another character in another game not too long ago. And yeah, I feel you about making characters who are too focused. It just doesn't feel natural or realistic at all to me.
ops:.I really can't argue too much against you wanting the 2nnd MM bonus without being a hypocrite, as I just made a 5-dot Artifact with both Soulsteel and Orichalcum bonuses for another character in another game not too long ago. And yeah, I feel you about making characters who are too focused. It just doesn't feel natural or realistic at all to me.
Coyotekin
Catalytic Diplomat
No offense taken actually. 
Yeah, I tend to make characters that are more role-playing instead of roll-playing. Let me know if you have any suggestions.
Yeah, I tend to make characters that are more role-playing instead of roll-playing. Let me know if you have any suggestions.
cyl
Creepy smile
5dot artifact gets both MM bonuses, but you need a more powerful feature to make it a 5. If you have something in mind we can talk about it.
Coyotekin
Catalytic Diplomat
That's what I have been wondering about, something fitting for a guy like him. He's a benevolent man, and kind to many.
How would stimulating a Sapphire Circle Spell be? Would that be too much? I was considering the one that creates a Warstrider from available small gods. Why not small gods, those of Nature, granted as a blessing from Gaia, the are part of and reside within the weapon. It would still require the appropriate cost of motes andWP that the spell normally costs, possibly a Royal Warstrider.
What do you think? Any ideas, and twists to it?
How would stimulating a Sapphire Circle Spell be? Would that be too much? I was considering the one that creates a Warstrider from available small gods. Why not small gods, those of Nature, granted as a blessing from Gaia, the are part of and reside within the weapon. It would still require the appropriate cost of motes andWP that the spell normally costs, possibly a Royal Warstrider.
What do you think? Any ideas, and twists to it?
cyl
Creepy smile
Benevolent and warstrider... are we talking about the same guy ? 
Seriously though, it could, but then the weapon would be unusable...
Seriously though, it could, but then the weapon would be unusable...
Coyotekin
Catalytic Diplomat
Not exactly!!!!!! For the extra costs of motes he would have it, but only in it's Scythe form.
Truthfully I am reaching here, and I saw this as something he didn't use very often. I see this man as thrice-blessed. Blessed by the US with his Exaltation, blessed by Luna in her own way as her almost Chosen, and blessed by Gaia for his reverence of her form and all things she has birthed and given to Creation. The Scythe was chosen mainly as a symbolic weapon. You can't take the farmer from the man in this case.
For the extra costs of motes he would have it, but only in it's Scythe form.Truthfully I am reaching here, and I saw this as something he didn't use very often. I see this man as thrice-blessed. Blessed by the US with his Exaltation, blessed by Luna in her own way as her almost Chosen, and blessed by Gaia for his reverence of her form and all things she has birthed and given to Creation. The Scythe was chosen mainly as a symbolic weapon. You can't take the farmer from the man in this case.
saganite
Two Thousand Club
That....seems to be a bit much. Warstriders are high-dot Artifacts on their own, and even replicating the Celestial Circle spell (which conjures a Common Warstrider, not a Royal, at a ridiculously expensive commitment) while being all that you've mentioned. Five-dot artifacts can replicate Celestial and sometimes Solar Circle Sorcery, but that's usually all they do.
This of course is just my opinion, coming from my experience and reading of Oadenol's Codex/etc. >_>
This of course is just my opinion, coming from my experience and reading of Oadenol's Codex/etc. >_>
Renaissance Blonde
Member
Wow...
I felt dirty for contemplating making an Enchanted ironwood sword or spear permanently enhanced with the Ghost-Smiting Salt Weapon technique from Scroll of Kings (allows someone to strike dematerialised ghosts) at a one-dot Artefact. *chuckle*
I felt dirty for contemplating making an Enchanted ironwood sword or spear permanently enhanced with the Ghost-Smiting Salt Weapon technique from Scroll of Kings (allows someone to strike dematerialised ghosts) at a one-dot Artefact. *chuckle*
cyl
Creepy smile
Though I could consider the changing form weapon, the warstrider thing + weapon becoming a warstrider artifact weapon is way too powerful.Coyotekin said:Not exactly!!!!!!
Truthfully I am reaching here, and I saw this as something he didn't use very often. I see this man as thrice-blessed. Blessed by the US with his Exaltation, blessed by Luna in her own way as her almost Chosen, and blessed by Gaia for his reverence of her form and all things she has birthed and given to Creation. The Scythe was chosen mainly as a symbolic weapon. You can't take the farmer from the man in this case.
A weapon replicating a celestial spell would be a 5dot artifact, the changing form weapon would be a 4 (considering its changing would be refexive with a cost), and the artifact weapon for a warstrider is a 3dot artefact. Too much powers on this one
cyl
Creepy smile
Well, it's not an artifact made of a MM, therefore it is more fragile.Morninglight said:
Rokan
New Member
Stupid Twilight Tricks
Idea stolen from the FFXIII trailers, for the technophile in all of us.
Reaper Daiklave / Concussive Essence Cannon "Presentiment's Bite" (Artifact *** or **** Gunblade)
Repair 1 or 2
Found in a private vault in one of the abandoned factory-cathedrals of Dendandsor, this weapon lacks any of the enchantments normally found on first age weapons. It was never intended to be used, but built as a proof of concept. Where a mortal weapon might have a ricasso, this weapon has a segmented cannon barrel folded in place and an ensconced pistol grip in the sword hilt. With a flick of the wrist, this sword can turn into a fully functional essence cannon and back again.
Reaper Daiklave stats in sword mode (with appropriate MM bonus)
Small or Very Small Essence Cannon in gun mode.
Has a single hearthstone socket at top of the hilt, can lose any powers provided by said hearthstone to power the essence cannon if hearthstone is level 2/1 or higher.
Switching modes takes a reflexive action / Spd 1 Ready Weapon action
Alternative versions might change the blade to that of a normal or reaver daiklave, or switch out the cannon for an alchemical fire weapon.
Idea stolen from the FFXIII trailers, for the technophile in all of us.
Reaper Daiklave / Concussive Essence Cannon "Presentiment's Bite" (Artifact *** or **** Gunblade)
Repair 1 or 2
Found in a private vault in one of the abandoned factory-cathedrals of Dendandsor, this weapon lacks any of the enchantments normally found on first age weapons. It was never intended to be used, but built as a proof of concept. Where a mortal weapon might have a ricasso, this weapon has a segmented cannon barrel folded in place and an ensconced pistol grip in the sword hilt. With a flick of the wrist, this sword can turn into a fully functional essence cannon and back again.
Reaper Daiklave stats in sword mode (with appropriate MM bonus)
Small or Very Small Essence Cannon in gun mode.
Has a single hearthstone socket at top of the hilt, can lose any powers provided by said hearthstone to power the essence cannon if hearthstone is level 2/1 or higher.
Switching modes takes a reflexive action / Spd 1 Ready Weapon action
Alternative versions might change the blade to that of a normal or reaver daiklave, or switch out the cannon for an alchemical fire weapon.
Coyotekin
Catalytic Diplomat
Why not the ability to emultae the merald Circle Spell, Ritual of Elemental Empowerment? Or perhaps Raising the Earth Bones. Both are useful spells that are not directly combat-related.