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[rae2nerdy]

It's less to do with the feminist themselves and more to do with how they seem to be backed by huge companies, which is what plays into the belief that there's an agenda.

No offense but that is some really tinfoil thinking. “Feminists” certainly aren’t backed by huge corporations. Huge corporations exist to make money. If they occasionally remember that “feminists“ also have money like everyone else it’s hardly the work of an agenda. Unless greed is an agenda.

 

[defenderofberk]

I don't know if this opinion is unpopular or just underconsidered, but more post-apocalyptic, fantasy, and sci-fi RPs should explore new societal models like anarchism.

I think it's because anarchist role plays generally devolve into characters doing whatever they want, which isn't really a good thing.

No offense but that is some really tinfoil thinking. feminists certainly aren’t baked by huge corporations. Huge corporations exist to make money. If they occasionally remember that “feminists“ also have money like everyone else it’s hardly the work of an agenda. Unless greed is an agenda.

Most feminists are ignored, sure, but you must be aware of the culture war. A lot of companies seem to be quite happy to lose a bit of money to hire some pink haired lunatic to lecture the fanbase about misogany. I mean have you seen twitches new advisory and safety council?

 

[Lemon Boy]

We're really not, I mean we're all basically the most tolerant people outside Sweden. We just dislike three things:
People taking the piss
People who can't be polite
People who can't have a discussion

We're a very "you live your life and I'll live mine and we'll all enjoy British culture together" sort of people. We just get annoyed when people hate Britian but stay for the economy (not that it's doing well or anything). Like you're not forced to stay here if you're miserable. Have a pint, have a cup of tea, wave a union jack and let's all get along. I mean of course you get exceptions but as a society we're so easy going you'd believe weed was legal.

I don't believe that I've ever seen a load of such utter bullshit in my entire life on this website. The most tolerant people outside of Sweden? British society characterized as easy going?
Loathe to bring it up as I am, Brexit has demonstrated that racism is alive and well in the United Kingdom. 71% of people from ethnic minorities now report racial discrimination compared to the 58% before the EU vote. The fact that we have a Prime Minister who described African children as, “flag-waving piccaninnies," or said that Ugandan children were, "Aids-ridden choristers," is also rather demonstrative of this fact. Anyone remember that time he described black people as having watermelon smiles? Or how about that time he described Muslim women as letterboxes?

Need I remind you of the Home Office hostile environment policy telling immigrants to go home? The policy that resulted in people dying in immigration removal centers, the policy that resulted in people in need being sent back to places like Afghanistan where they'd end up murdered? The policy that resulted in human trafficking victims being jailed and deported at the same time the government tried to reduce financial support for victims of modern slavery?

Should I tell you about the hundreds of coloured women who are murdered yearly in this country as a result of honour killings, ignored, neglected or subjected to abuse by the police? What about the rampant, "Paki Bashing," of the 1960s to the 1990s? What about the rampant antisemitism amongst both the Conservatives and Labour parties?

Hell, does anyone remember that little thing called the British Empire? This country was built atop Imperialism, colonialism and xenophobia and has left permanent scars all over the globe as a result of its monstrous actions such as in Ireland with the infamous Bloody Sunday to the partitioning of India that saw over ten million Hindus in Pakistan and Muslims in India forced to flee their land, with one million people losing their lives as a result of sectarian killings.

I'll tell you what British people dislike and it's a lot more than just people who can't be polite, those who take the piss and those who can't have a discussion. It's the Eastern European immigrants trying to find a better job in this country despite being so reviled so they can provide for their families back home. It's the members of the transgender community who are regularly murdered simply for being transgender and treated like what they are not because TERFS think of them as predators. It's the hundreds of Muslim people and their places of worship that are terrorized because people blame them for the London bombings.

The only culture Britain has is one of an unearned sense of superiority and utter inhumanity against those who aren't their own.

 

[Grey]

I think it's because anarchist role plays generally devolve into characters doing whatever they want, which isn't really a good thing.

Roleplays being famously autocratic by default.

 

[rae2nerdy]

Roleplays being famously autocratic by default.

I see you read the player reviews from my group days. I was a balls busting bitch who liked to play god (at leas according to the folks who got showed the back button).

 

[Grey]

I see you read the player reviews from my group days. I was a balls busting bitch who liked to play god (at leas according to the folks who got showed the back button).

To my recollection, you do near as much work as I do on worldbuilding and plotting. I can see how players who won't contribute or play along might develop such wrong opinions.

 

[rae2nerdy]

Ooh brings up, well maybe not unpopular, but an opinion people seem to struggle with.

The GM is not your friend.
Players - don’t expect favoritism or handholding if you don’t follow the rules
GMs - yeah maybe you had to be mean, it’s not the end of the world.

I mean I think a lot of people agree with this but it gets brought as a concern a lot.

 

[defenderofberk]

I don't believe that I've ever seen a load of such utter bullshit in my entire life on this website. The most tolerant people outside of Sweden? British society characterized as easy going?
Loathe to bring it up as I am, Brexit has demonstrated that racism is alive and well in the United Kingdom. 71% of people from ethnic minorities now report racial discrimination compared to the 58% before the EU vote. The fact that we have a Prime Minister who described African children as, “flag-waving piccaninnies," or said that Ugandan children were, "Aids-ridden choristers," is also rather demonstrative of this fact. Anyone remember that time he described black people as having watermelon smiles? Or how about that time he described Muslim women as letterboxes.

Need I remind you of the Home Office hostile environment policy telling immigrants to go home? The policy that resulted in people dying in immigration removal centers, the policy that resulted in people in need being sent back to places like Afghanistan where they'd end up murdered? The policy that resulted in human trafficking victims being jailed and deported at the same time the government tried to reduce financial support for victims of modern slavery?

Should I tell you about the hundreds of coloured women who are murdered yearly in this country as a result of honour killings, ignored, neglected or subjected to abuse by the police? What about the rampant, "Paki Bashing," of the 1960s to the 1990s? What about the rampant antisemitism amongst both the Conservatives and Labour parties?

Hell, does anyone remember that little thing called the British Empire? This country was built atop Imperialism, colonialism and xenophobia and has left permanent scars all over the globe as a result of its monstrous actions such as in Ireland with the infamous Bloody Sunday to the partitioning of India that saw over ten million Hindus in Pakistan and Muslims in India forced to flee their land, with one million people losing their lives as a result of sectarian killings.

I'll tell you what British people dislike and it's a lot more than just people who can't be polite, those who take the piss and those who can't have a discussion. It's the Eastern European immigrants trying to find a better job in this country despite being so reviled so they can provide for their families back home. It's the members of the transgender community who are regularly murdered simply for being transgender and treated like what they are not because TERFS think of them as predators. It's the hundreds of Muslim people and their places of worship that are terrorized because people blame them for the London bombings.

The only culture Britain has is one of an unearned sense of superiority and utter inhumanity against those who aren't their own.

Right, I am going to answer this one at a time.

What the hell counts as discrimination? Do you know what these people were actually reporting? That they felt oppressed? How many cases were actually taken to the courts compared to how many were dismissed as just moaning about nothing?

So the Prime Minister made some impolite comments. Name me one person that hasn't said something out of place at some time in their lives and I'll show you a liar. We don't have to like the guy, the point is what policy will he implement? Has he advocated to kick out all blacks? No. Has he advocated to ban Islam? No. And even if he did, it has to get through parliment and the house of Lords.

The immigration crisis is just that. A crisis. But we can't take in the entirity of Afghanistan just because it's dangerous, as where are we going to put them? How are we going to feed them? By encouraging them to come we're promising them something we can't possibly deliver on, which is cruel. We are not a paradise with infinite resorces, we're one country with a fairly weak economy and stretched services.

If you want to talk about racist policing, fine. Check this out:

Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It's not that "brown people getting abused and we don't care". It's that "if you're brown you can abuse anyone you like as long as they're poor". Which is racist (and classist), but not in the way that you mean.

EVERY country is built on slavery, war and abuse. We condemn it now (and have done for quite some time), but that's doesn't mean we never achieved anything of note.

Yeah, Eastern Europeans sending all their earnings abroad isn't a good thing. Who'd of thought?

Transgender people aren't murdered on a really frequent basis for being trans. The sad fact is they usually get more involved in the drugs scene (which is partially why they're seen as more dangerous) which is full of dangerous people. And it's not like drugs are safe.

The problem is we never see the wider Muslim community do anything about terrorism. We never see them come out and say "we've got this worrying situation developing with this guy", it's always deafening silence. There was a mountain of outrage after Christchurch with thousands of people saying how terrible it was and suggesting how it could be prevented in future. If the muslim community did the same, tensions would diffuse massively.

 

[defenderofberk]

Also, isn't this getting off topic?

 

[BackSet]

Unpopular opinion: I think we need some more classic morally black and white roleplays where the villain is a giant jackass who wants to take over the world or some shit and the heros are heroic and want to stop them.

I mean, obviously life doesn't work this way, it's all various shades of colors but still.

 

[defenderofberk]

Unpopular opinion: I think we need some more classic morally black and white roleplays where the villain is a giant jackass who wants to take over the world or some shit and the heros are heroic and want to stop them.

I mean, obviously life doesn't work this way, it's all various shades of colors but still.

Honestly that would be kinda nice for once

 

[BackSet]

Also why is it always blacks and whites and grays? Why isn't morality colorful.

 

[defenderofberk]

Also why is it always blacks and whites and grays? Why isn't morality colorful.

Because "that's morally red" sounds kinda odd and could have loads of different meanings.

 

[BackSet]

Because "that's morally red" sounds kinda odd and could have loads of different meanings.

Yeah black and white are fine but I think people are colorful rather than shades of gray.

 

[defenderofberk]

Yeah black and white are fine but I think people are colorful rather than shades of gray.

Well not really if you mix black and white you don't get pink (or you shouldn't do anyways)

 

[rae2nerdy]

Also why is it always blacks and whites and grays? Why isn't morality colorful.

I feel like I should make a Rainbow League joke. Seriously all my superheroes are LGBTQ, every last one. I didn’t even do it intentionally outside of like one character that was a bit of yikes (my first stab at genderqueer, kinda like my first stab at French. Cringe city)

But yeah I kinda of love silver age campy nonsense. Why is the villain trying to destroy the city with his plasma canons? Boo nerd stop asking questions, put on your color coded tights, and go punch things in the name of justice.

 

[BackSet]

Well not really if you mix black and white you don't get pink (or you shouldn't do anyways)

That's not really the point.

I just like colors and I think that things should be colorful. If you were ro color reality like you color morals everything would be gray and boring.

I feel like I should make a Rainbow League joke. Seriously all my superheroes are LGBTQ, every last one.

If we're talking LGBTQA+ my whole color spiel is actually kind of ironic because almost all my characters are Ace Aro (like me) and the flag for that is mostly grays.

 

[rae2nerdy]

That's not really the point.

I just like colors and I think that things should be colorful. If you were ro color reality like you color morals everything would be gray and boring.


If we're talking LGBTQA+ my whole color spiel is actually kind of ironic because almost all my characters are Ace Aro (like me) and the flag for that is mostly grays.

lol oh wow that is funny I think only one of mine is an aro/ace (Woot woot rep the ace players) and she’s the one least likely me personality wise.

The others range from gay to pan, and I am trying to round out my genderqueer character. I love their personality just need to make them not so stereotype-y.

 

[Crenando]

But yeah I kinda of love silver age campy nonsense. Why is the villain trying to destroy the city with his plasma canons? Boo nerd stop asking questions, put on your color coded tights, and go punch things in the name of justice.

This has been my station for years.
If something isn't going to deliver on the moral complexity it says it'll have, it should at least be zany. I hate this watered-down, middle-of-the-road sort of CW Drama version of this genre I've dedicated so much time to.

I just like colors and I think that things should be colorful. If you were ro color reality like you color morals everything would be gray and boring.

People use orange and blue morality to refer to alien morality that doesn't quite line up with our human understanding of it, I think.

 

[rae2nerdy]

This has been my station for years.
If something isn't going to deliver on the moral complexity it says it'll have, it should at least be zany. I hate this watered-down, middle-of-the-road sort of CW Drama version of this genre I've dedicated so much time to.

People use orange and blue morality to refer to alien morality that doesn't quite line up with our human understanding of it, I think.

Have you tried Doom Patrol?, It’s kinda a mix actually. And you and I are gonna fight you come for my Black Lightning.

Seriously though I love zany superhero shenanigan bullshit. Sometimes you just want to hit things in the name of justice. Doesn’t have to be more complicated than that. Unless there’s time travel.

 

[BackSet]

lol oh wow that is funny I think only one of mine is an aro/ace (Woot woot rep the ace players) and she’s the one least likely me personality wise.

The others range from gay to pan, and I am trying to round out my genderqueer character. I love their personality just need to make them not so stereotype-y.

Heh. I don't think I've played a single character who wasn't either Ace or Straight. The one exception to that is a character who I referred to as Omnisexual. (That might be an actual thing I'm not sure).

People use orange and blue morality to refer to alien morality that doesn't quite line up with our human understanding of it, I think.

I was gonna bring that up as specifically not what I was talking about but forgot.

 

[rae2nerdy]

Heh. I don't think I've played a single character who wasn't either Ace or Straight. The one exception to that is a character who I referred to as Omnisexual. (That might be an actual thing I'm not sure).

I was gonna bring that up as specifically not what I was talking about but forgot.

Weirdly none of my characters are straight, although most of them are on the Ace spectrum. It's really only the superhero realm where it's "Rainbow League" and everyone is gay. Maybe I read too much slash fic as a youngster.

 

[BackSet]

If I have to go morally gray I like myself some White-And-Gray Morality.

Also now I keeo almost mispelling morally gray as morally gay thanks a lot.

 

[Crenando]

Have you tried Doom Patrol?, It’s kinda a mix actually. And you and I are gonna fight you come for my Black Lightning.

I'm talking less about actual CW shows (outside of the big three or four) and more about RPs that imitate them. Most superhero RPs with realistic face-claims these days seem to just be CW shows with the angst dialed up.

I like Doom Patrol enough, but I think the run it takes from tries a bit too hard to recapture the Morrison weirdness, which is really freaking hard because it's Grant Morrison. I'm glad Flex showed up because it draws more attention to his solo book, which is the sort of silver age-tinged post-modern interesting stuff I'd like to see more of on the site.
People seem to think you can only make the settings more interesting if you make the heroes bastards or make the teen characters more troubled than they'd normally be. Stuff like that.

Also now I keeo almost mispelling morally gray as morally gay thanks a lot.

Morally gay would be a good essay title or something. I just don't know what it'd be about.

 

[BackSet]

The dark age of comics has been over for years but people still act like it's going on.