Other Unpopular Opinions

[defenderofberk]

I'm not saying that people shouldn't be able to acess informantion on neo-nazism and why it's objectively wrong. Just that they shouldn't be allowed to say, march in the streets or spread their propagenda.

Again, what dialogue is to be had with these people?

You wish to ban white power nationalist marches yet you're part of a black power movement that does marches? Alright then.

Being a cop is a choice and black Americans have significant historical and contemporary justification for hating them.

So it's okay to hate people for attempting to serve the community because of historical injustice? You could justify all hatred as a result of historical injustice.

This is technically true for the USA. It's more opportunistic in other countries, like here in Ireland, but systematic racism is absolutely a phenomenon.

Prove it. Like seriously, prove it because I don't believe you.

Mine, because I'm not making a bunch of shit up.

Like, if you can back up your opinion that BLM is a hate group with actual proof then I'm willing to discuss this with you.



Nope. There's not


Why?

It's not like I'm suggesting that me ban every opinion that some random asshole on the internet disagree with, so please don't pretend that I am.

Funny, because I've seen the footage.

I can back up that BLM is a hate group, I'll need some time of course.

Why do I think it's dangerous? Because it's a race based conspiracy theory, which as you're so keen on pointing out, has historically resulted in violence.

 

[Delinquent]

Those extremist people might turn their minds and be receptive about other ideas.

Then why aren't they doing that now?

If that idea worked, wouldn't there be no extremism today

That is why it is important to tech further generations about tolerance and other principles.

But won't that be undermined by letting people teach the same generation that they shouldn't tolerate other people?

Plus, ebing silenced makes you feel like you are not a human.

Heaven forbid that the people in favor of me getting thrown into the nearest gas chamber feel like their not human.

However, the way you are opposing makes me wonder if you're actually opened to debate about this topic.

I'm open to debate about this. Maybe my style of argument is a bit harsh, and I apologize if that's the case. It's just that this is a very personal issue to me.

 

[defenderofberk]

Then why aren't they doing that now?

If that idea worked, wouldn't there be no extremism today


But won't that be undermined by letting people teach the same generation that they shouldn't tolerate other people?


Heaven forbid that the people in favor of me getting thrown into the nearest gas chamber feel like their not human.



I'm open to debate about this. Maybe my style of argument is a bit harsh, and I apologize if that's the case. It's just that this is a very personal issue to me.

They aren't doing that now because some people will always want to go to the extreme of something, also it's probably because everytime someone speaks to them it's an insult or a confirmation of their ideas.

 

[Grey]

So it's okay to hate people for attempting to serve the community because of historical injustice? You could justify all hatred as a result of historical injustice.

1. Statistically the motivation for joining the police force in the USA is, to quote a self-reported survey 'get the respect I deserve.'
2. Regardless of motivation for joining, policing as an institution is only tangentially related to community service and subject to extreme corruption.
3. I said both historical and contemporary; the impact of past injustices is both still felt and unrepaired, while there are ongoing injustices even now.
4. I am struggling to think of historical injustices one could use to justify antiblackness, homophobia, antisemitism, or closer to home the very obvious prejudice some Brits have against the Irish. I'd ask you elaborate but I can already imagine your answer and the prospect is so very, very tiring.

Prove it. Like seriously, prove it because I don't believe you

It's been obvious from minute one arguing with you is a waste of time, but for the benefit of people (very sensibly) watching without engaging:
Redlining
The Southern Strategy
Certain voter ID laws (North Carolina especially, IIRC) intended to disenfranchise black voters. No, no - I know what you're going to say. It was found legislators were using data analysis to target forms of ID most often used by black voters.
The FBI's efforts against MLK
The FBI and LA police collaboration in the murder of numerous black activists.
Broken Window Policing.

I'm dropping the topic here; beating my head against a wall is not worth a ban.

 

[Delinquent]

You wish to ban white power nationalist marches yet you're part of a black power movement that does marches?

Again, BLM isn't a hate group.

I can back up that BLM is a hate group, I'll need some time of course

Please do.

 

[defenderofberk]

1. Statistically the motivation for joining the police force in the USA is, to quote a self-reported survey 'get the respect I deserve.'
2. Regardless of motivation for joining, policing as an institution is only tangentially related to community service and subject to extreme corruption.
3. I said both historical and contemporary; the impact of past injustices is both still felt and unrepaired, while there are ongoing injustices even now.
4. I am struggling to think of historical injustices one could use to justify antiblackness, homophobia, antisemitism, or closer to home the very obvious prejudice some Brits have against the Irish. I'd ask you elaborate but I can already imagine your answer and the prospect is so very, very tiring.



It's been obvious from minute one arguing with you is a waste of time, but for the benefit of people (very sensibly) watching without engaging:
Redlining
The Southern Strategy
Certain voter ID laws (North Carolina especially, IIRC) intended to disenfranchise black voters. No, no - I know what you're going to say. It was found legislators were using data analysis to target forms of ID most often used by black voters.
The FBI's efforts against MLK
The FBI and LA police collaboration in the murder of numerous black activists.
Broken Window Policing.

I'm dropping the topic here; beating my head against a wall is not worth a ban.

Well as my response as you put it will be "so very tiring" I don't suppose I'll bother. Have fun living in ignorance.

 

[rae2nerdy]

Yes, I suppose I have seen a few YA books that do fall under such thematics. That's actually a new concept to me. But I can see it being right. The thing that bothers me is that the most famous YA books are precisely the ones whose main plot is based on such romanticised ideas. And considering that they often get turned into films, getting a lot of popularity out of it, I'd consider my views against the mainstream views. As you said, however, such readers/spectators are part of a very specific niche, so maybe it doesn't represent the general population. I can think of a classmate of mine that when The Fault in our Stars came out in film just loved the film, despite hating YA books. Not sure if he's case is an isolated one though.

In fairness there are also more diverse movies made - Love, Simon and To All the Boys I loved. (Haven’t read the books but they seem to be pretty wholesome as far as romance goes). And diverse as they star a gay teen and an Asian girl respectively.

So I think it’s also kinda of a demographic thing. The big juggernauts of MY teen years where Harry Potter and Twilight. But I’m in my thirties now, and I think the more modern teen romances are a little more diverse. But sadly cinema is lagging behind its book counterparts for a variety of nerdy reasons. (Tl:dr it’s what the movie studios think will make the most money across the world)

 

[Delinquent]

That is sophism, hence an illogical falacy, an ad hominem attack.

I apologize, I didn't mean for any of my points to come acress as ad hominem attacks. Can you please point out which arguments of mine specifically you're talking about so I can rephrase them to make them more friendly?

 

[Hella Downweather]

defenderofberk

From what I understand, the police in the USA (where BLM is the most active) is more corrupt/racist/bigoted and has a lot more of leeway compared to Canada or England. Where I live, if a member of the police even commits an administrative fraud, there is what we call a McNeil (basically a paper that explains what crime or fault the member of the police did) that is given to the defense attorney and put in every single cases where said member has his name in it. And those McNeil can turn cases completely around.

In the US however, police accountability is less defined as a whole from what I can see, which leads to a lot of tension when a racist act is committed by a member of the government without repercussion.

There is racial profiling there too, it was proven that police has memos about stopping and frisking the black and latino community more than the white community (even if most mass shooters are white in the US). There is also a lot of racial tension and stereotyping that doesn't help the cause.

Add guns to the equation and you have a barrel of gunpowder ready to explode.

 

[Melpomene]

Ok.

Not going to lie.

Saying BLM is a hate group is like saying feminism is a hate group. Just plain wrong and nearly dangerous to say so. Yes, both groups have bad apples that decided to hide behind the shield of the names to be able to do deplorable shit, but you know what? They have actually been doing more good than harm. I mean... is the NAACP also a hate group? What is so wrong with there being a group aimed to benefitting people who have historically been put down and even severely hurt by society?

I think people forget that black people did not even start getting treated as equals on a societal level until rather recent history in America. Martin Luther King only died about 50 years ago. There are still people alive today that lived through that violent time that was the Civil Rights movement. And people really want to tell me BLM is a hate group?

White Supremacist hate groups are considered hate groups because they openly advocate that the white race is the "supreme race". BLM openly advocates for Black people to be able to walk down the road without having to worry about it. Neo Nazism is literally based off of the original Nazis, a group which openly attempted to commit genocide against entire races. I really don't think you can compare that to BLM who, from what I have seen, have not attempted to commit genocide against Caucasians, but rather seem to have a main concern with ensuring Black people are not further put into harm's way as, once again, only 50 years ago I would not be allowed to go to the same school as white people. In a historical context, that is a disturbingly short amount of time. 50 years ago I could have been shot for being out on the streets past a certain time.

And people don't just change their minds in that little of a time. There are still Turkish people today (I know, because I talked about this with my Turkish teachers) that deny Armenians exist as a people, and deny the Armenian genocide happened (it did we have proof) and the Armenian genocide happened before WWII, in fact, Hitler was inspired by it. The Rwandan genocide was only 30 years ago coming from a long struggle between the racial groups Tutsi and Hutu, So, yes, it is very believable to think that there are still problems with racism in this day and age. And yes, there are historical reasons for black people to worry because, I mean, if Black Wall Street isn't enough to prove that, where a black neighborhood was bombed, and this is the worst race riot to ever happen in America yet it is not taught in history books diligently in American History books, then I don't know what is.

I had to put that out there because it is quite frankly toxic and worrying to deny the existence of systematic racism. There is no "conspiracy" because that implies it isn't true. "Flat Earth" is a conspiracy, "Bush did 9/11" is a conspiracy because there is not a basis in facts. Systematic racism? Just like the struggles of the LGBT (don't make me bring up the AIDS crisis) , it exists and is still present today.

Woo, I am very sorry about that long winded post, I am quite passionate about this as my family was very effected by racism and after having to be escorted by the police from a public lake because of racists, after being threatened with a gun for existing in a public space it just irks me to see people just so blatantly disregard the struggles of an entire people.

ANYWAY! Let me not keep this war going and move on to add something to this thread since I got off topic:

Dark chocolate > milk chocolate scrubs.
Also Joseph Joestar > Jotaro Cujoh
World of Darkness > D&D
1v1 me.

 

[Grey]

Dark chocolate > milk chocolate scrubs.
Also Joseph Joestar > Jotaro Cujoh
World of Darkness > D&D

Jotaro was just too disrespectful to his mother. Unacceptable.

 

[Windsock]

I love being in quarantine!

 

[s e v e n]

Ok.

Not going to lie.

Saying BLM is a hate group is like saying feminism is a hate group. Just plain wrong and nearly dangerous to say so. Yes, both groups have bad apples that decided to hide behind the shield of the names to be able to do deplorable shit, but you know what? They have actually been doing more good than harm. I mean... is the NAACP also a hate group? What is so wrong with there being a group aimed to benefitting people who have historically been put down and even severely hurt by society?

I think people forget that black people did not even start getting treated as equals on a societal level until rather recent history in America. Martin Luther King only died about 50 years ago. There are still people alive today that lived through that violent time that was the Civil Rights movement. And people really want to tell me BLM is a hate group?

White Supremacist hate groups are considered hate groups because they openly advocate that the white race is the "supreme race". BLM openly advocates for Black people to be able to walk down the road without having to worry about it. Neo Nazism is literally based off of the original Nazis, a group which openly attempted to commit genocide against entire races. I really don't think you can compare that to BLM who, from what I have seen, have not attempted to commit genocide against Caucasians, but rather seem to have a main concern with ensuring Black people are not further put into harm's way as, once again, only 50 years ago I would not be allowed to go to the same school as white people. In a historical context, that is a disturbingly short amount of time. 50 years ago I could have been shot for being out on the streets past a certain time.

And people don't just change their minds in that little of a time. There are still Turkish people today (I know, because I talked about this with my Turkish teachers) that deny Armenians exist as a people, and deny the Armenian genocide happened (it did we have proof) and the Armenian genocide happened before WWII, in fact, Hitler was inspired by it. The Rwandan genocide was only 30 years ago coming from a long struggle between the racial groups Tutsi and Hutu, So, yes, it is very believable to think that there are still problems with racism in this day and age. And yes, there are historical reasons for black people to worry because, I mean, if Black Wall Street isn't enough to prove that, where a black neighborhood was bombed, and this is the worst race riot to ever happen in America yet it is not taught in history books diligently in American History books, then I don't know what is.

I had to put that out there because it is quite frankly toxic and worrying to deny the existence of systematic racism. There is no "conspiracy" because that implies it isn't true. "Flat Earth" is a conspiracy, "Bush did 9/11" is a conspiracy because there is not a basis in facts. Systematic racism? Just like the struggles of the LGBT (don't make me bring up the AIDS crisis) , it exists and is still present today.

Woo, I am very sorry about that long winded post, I am quite passionate about this as my family was very effected by racism and after having to be escorted by the police from a public lake because of racists, after being threatened with a gun for existing in a public space it just irks me to see people just so blatantly disregard the struggles of an entire people.

ANYWAY! Let me not keep this war going and move on to add something to this thread since I got off topic:

Dark chocolate > milk chocolate scrubs.
Also Joseph Joestar > Jotaro Cujoh
World of Darkness > D&D
1v1 me.

My queen y e s. Also 100% agree with that chocolate one, milk chocolate is barely chocolate fight me.

Another unpopular opinion: pineapple on pizza is great

 

[welian]

Inuyasha is an isekai anime.

 

[Damafaud]

Inuyasha is an isekai anime.

Why do you say something so brave

Rice pizza is actually good

 

[s e v e n]

...SAO SUCKS

 

[welian]

Why do you say something so brave

It's facts! People shit on the isekai genre, but that's because it's been done so BADLY recently. It's still, overall, one of my favorite kinds of anime.

 

[Onmyoji]

I'm gonna hop in with some really unpopular opinion!

Please keep this thread for sharing opinions only, as going into discussions can derail the thread quite a bit and they often get heated up. It's an unpopular opinion thread after all. It's okay to not share some of them

 

[Slav]

Street Fighter is better than Mortal Kombat.

 

[Hella Downweather]

Snakes are actually really cute ! They can express curiosity in a way that's very endearing

 

[defenderofberk]

Snakes are actually really cute ! They can express curiosity in a way that's very endearing

I love snakes, my fiance was going to get one but we settled on a cat instead

 

[defenderofberk]

An artist's opinions do not make their art bad. You can disagree with an artist's views and actually like their work, even if said work clearly represents those views.

YES! Patrick Stewart was a huge oppoment of Brexit whereas I would've voted for it but I still enjoy his work (in fact I'm watching TNG right now).

 

[PanOtterPus]

Since I've been seeing this a lot recently:
- Just because an actor or a singer or whatever has done something criminal, doesn't mean you can no longer enjoy their past work. For example, Ian Watkins is scum, but I still listen to Lostprophets a lot.

 

[Daisie]

Well, in order not to make things end up on a bitter note:
Savoury foods are better than sweet foods

This x1,000. Give me a hunk of steak any day over a bowl of ice cream.

 

[Windsock]

This x1,000. Give me a hunk of steak any day over a bowl of ice cream.

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