The World of Tomorrow- OOC

[RIPSaidCone]

@Loyal Guardian


No, they're my citizens now. That's the whole point of taking his land xD   (IE he can't just godmode them and say, lol cascadia has no citizens there, gib me back land now)


If he still controls them then there's LITERALLY no point in taking the land which is what he probably wants to put across to us. So he can pressure us into giving the land back since it'll be useless to us by the time he's godmoded around with it despite it being ours now.


2 million people leaving is fine by me but that should be all of it.

 

[Dominus Regum]

@RIPSaidCone Not trying to destroy your thunder, but he had already said that pretty much all of his citizens had returned to their homeland. I mean yay you got more manpower and increased workforce that would mean the betterment of you and the alliance, but Domini already stated before you did that all but i think around 2 million people returned to his new land. You can try to claim i did it mathematically and that's the number i got, which you very well did and me and Fish also got that same amount combined. Like i said before though, many of his citizens already returned back to their land. Plus in the terms of the treaty we are to grant the VV citizens in newly acquired lands free passage back to their home country if they want to, which according to him most did. They are his citizens after all. Now i am not trying to undermine you, i like having you as a friend and ally because your powerful, helpful, and protecting of her citizens. Like with this case and the previous one, i am just expressing my concerns.

I will second this, considering the Religious issue and the fact that ever since the first Vestan war citizens have had a burning hate for the eclipse and anyone who allies with them (Think if France invaded the 13 colonies from Britain and British citizens were told that that was their new source of income, fresh start, etc. and they hated the French after that)


@RIPSaidCone

 

[Space_Kaiser]

@Loyal Guardian


No, they're my citizens now. That's the whole point of taking his land xD   (IE he can't just godmode them and say, lol cascadia has no citizens there, gib me back land now)


If he still controls them then there's LITERALLY no point in taking the land which is what he probably wants to put across to us. So he can pressure us into giving the land back since it'll be useless to us by the time he's godmoded around with it despite it being ours now.


2 million people leaving is fine by me but that should be all of it.

Then why add that clause to the treaty where we have to allow them passage if they so desire? Frankly by separating them from their possible friends and family, if they're still alive, then that wouldn't exactly be the kindest thing to do. No it isn't inhumane and such, but it what some people would like to call "a dick move". And just because they were unlucky enough to be stuck in now foreign land, doesn't automatically make them your citizens, they're still his citizens trapped in foreign land. And how is it godmode when he simply wants his own people back? If he wants his people back then let him have them back. You are literally stripping their citizenship status from their homeland, a place where they grew up in and thrived in (well idk about that last part), and putting your ideals and such onto them (I know you said they have the option to, but they might as well not if they want to work and live). And if you want to use the land, then simply either wait for the population to grow or entice your people to move there.


EDIT: Also it would be uncharacteristic of a country such as yourself, a democratic and fair country, to meta-force his former citizens into your lands.

 

[Alteras]

Then why add that clause to the treaty where we have to allow them passage if they so desire? Frankly by separating them from their possible friends and family, if they're still alive, then that wouldn't exactly be the kindest thing to do. No it isn't inhumane and such, but it what some people would like to call "a dick move". And just because they were unlucky enough to be stuck in now foreign land, doesn't automatically make them your citizens, they're still his citizens trapped in foreign land. And how is it godmode when he simply wants his own people back? If he wants his people back then let him have them back. You are literally stripping their citizenship status from their homeland, a place where they grew up in and thrived in (well idk about that last part), and putting your ideals and such onto them (I know you said they have the option to, but they might as well not if they want to work and live). And if you want to use the land, then simply either wait for the population to grow or entice your people to move there. 

either way, you've signed a treaty explicitedly stating that there will be free travel. Any attempts to stop this will result in a breaking of the treaty. think back to when the berlin wall was destroyed. The idea was to allow people meet with their relatives and return, however because of a lack of communication, it became a flood to escape the east.

 

[Space_Kaiser]

either way, you've signed a treaty explicitedly stating that there will be free travel. Any attempts to stop this will result in a breaking of the treaty. think back to when the berlin wall was destroyed. The idea was to allow people meet with their relatives and return, however because of a lack of communication, it became a flood to escape the east.

In a way it doe. But it more or less guaranteed their safe passage back into VV if  they desire, and as Domini stated, they did and he has the right to do such since they were his citizens in the first place.

 

[RIPSaidCone]

Then why add that clause to the treaty where we have to allow them passage if they so desire? Frankly by separating them from their possible friends and family, if they're still alive, then that wouldn't exactly be the kindest thing to do. No it isn't inhumane and such, but it what some people would like to call "a dick move". And just because they were unlucky enough to be stuck in now foreign land, doesn't automatically make them your citizens, they're still his citizens trapped in foreign land. And how is it godmode when he simply wants his own people back? If he wants his people back then let him have them back. You are literally stripping their citizenship status from their homeland, a place where they grew up in and thrived in (well idk about that last part), and putting your ideals and such onto them (I know you said they have the option to, but they might as well not if they want to work and live). And if you want to use the land, then simply either wait for the population to grow or entice your people to move there. 

No.


Those 1 million are immigrating North, to Central America, Mexico and Cascadia. They're not going home and I'm not denying them the ability to return to their homeland if they so wish, I'm talking about this OOC in reference to the ones he wants to return home, the refugees that are moving North I put in aid camps so I could figure out what to do with them, a million new people moving around the country is a logistical nightmare and I have to keep them gathered in one area so I can watch over them and make sure they're all accounted for, thousands could go missing, die or go off the grid if they're not registered and processed (before moving to where they want to go) Letting people immigrate isn't an easy or quick progress there's a process required to ensure statistics and reports are kept accurate on the situation. You understand it'll take 80-100 years at least to grow a sizeable, Cascadian bred population in South America, and I'm not depopulating my homeland to fill some jungle up in the middle of nowhere. They are my citizens, now they are. Stop trying to paint me as some kind of bad guy, I rightfully took that land and am now in the process of ensuring citizenship and perks to the people who have remained in those territories. I'm not waiting 8 decades to use land, and why on earth would over 100 million people mass immigrate to a country that's frankly mistreated them. They brought the war upon their own people, and Cascadia is just a better country to live in. There is no logical, IC reason for them to all want to move back, 100 million people cannot possibly be so indoctrinated, brainwashed and loyal to a irresponsible government that brought a devestating war on them to the extent that they want to leave their homes to end up homeless and unemployed in VV.


There's no IC reason for it (for more than say 1 or 2 million people), this is all purely OOC that Domini wants his population back. Realistically only a tiny, tiny portion of 106 million people would actually leave their lifelong homes because of "muh pride"

 

[Dominus Regum]

why on earth would over 100 million people mass immigrate to a country that's frankly mistreated them. They brought the war upon their own people, and Cascadia is just a better country to live in

I'll quote my last reason.


Since the first Vestan war, and the stealing (taking) of New Vestan by the Eclipsans, VV citizens have hated the Eclipse Empire/Federation. By allying with them, most citizens see that as becoming a friend with the Vestan's worst enemy. 


Secondly, the Odinist Family Honor speaks of keeping towns and clans together, and sticking to each-other in times of need. Vestan is in a time of need r/n, with families separated and towns displaced.

 

[Kazami42]

No.


They're migrating North, to Central America, Mexico and Cascadia. They're not going home and I'm not denying them the ability to return to their homeland if they so wish, I'm talking about this OOC in reference to the ones he wants to return home, the refugees that are moving North I put in aid camps so I could figure out what to do with them, a million new people moving around the country is a logistical nightmare and I have to keep them gathered in one area so I can watch over them and make sure they're all accounted for, thousands could go missing, die or go off the grid if they're not registered and processed (before moving to where they want to go) Letting people immigrate isn't an easy or quick progress there's a process required to ensure statistics and reports are kept accurate on the situation. You understand it'll take 80-100 years at least to grow a sizeable, Cascadian bred population in South America, and I'm not depopulating my homeland to fill some jungle up in the middle of nowhere. They are my citizens, now they are. Stop trying to paint me as some kind of bad guy, I rightfully took that land and am now in the process of ensuring citizenship and perks to the people who have remained in those territories. I'm not waiting 8 decades to use land, and why on earth would over 100 million people mass immigrate to a country that's frankly mistreated them. They brought the war upon their own people, and Cascadia is just a better country to live in. There is no logical, IC reason for them to all want to move back, 100 million people cannot possibly be so indoctrinated, brainwashed and loyal to a irresponsible government that brought a devestating war on them to the extent that they want to leave their homes to end up homeless and unemployed in VV.


There's no IC reason for it (for more than say 1 or 2 million people), this is all purely OOC that Domini wants his population back.

I wouldn't exactly say that would be a unrealistic stretch. 100 maybe, but certainly not around the fifties. It depends on how the government treated them all, and other factors. It is not just one or three factors which can estimate the number. It is, or over ten exactly.


Unless his people were clones, literally indoctrinated their whole lives, or subjugated beyond repair. It probably would be a stretch for 100 million exactly. However it is war. It does not matter if you are literally god. There will be people who want out, or people who will not accept to be in lands of their conquerors. And having that many of them would mean if they were to riot to escape, that is pretty much on you since you bunched them all up in one place in many camps. Also processing them, tracking them, and such could be seen by them as trying to control them. Which people usually don't like unless they were raised in it, or it was the only way.

 

[Space_Kaiser]

No.


Those 1 million are immigrating North, to Central America, Mexico and Cascadia. They're not going home and I'm not denying them the ability to return to their homeland if they so wish, I'm talking about this OOC in reference to the ones he wants to return home, the refugees that are moving North I put in aid camps so I could figure out what to do with them, a million new people moving around the country is a logistical nightmare and I have to keep them gathered in one area so I can watch over them and make sure they're all accounted for, thousands could go missing, die or go off the grid if they're not registered and processed (before moving to where they want to go) Letting people immigrate isn't an easy or quick progress there's a process required to ensure statistics and reports are kept accurate on the situation. You understand it'll take 80-100 years at least to grow a sizeable, Cascadian bred population in South America, and I'm not depopulating my homeland to fill some jungle up in the middle of nowhere. They are my citizens, now they are. Stop trying to paint me as some kind of bad guy, I rightfully took that land and am now in the process of ensuring citizenship and perks to the people who have remained in those territories. I'm not waiting 8 decades to use land, and why on earth would over 100 million people mass immigrate to a country that's frankly mistreated them. They brought the war upon their own people, and Cascadia is just a better country to live in. There is no logical, IC reason for them to all want to move back, 100 million people cannot possibly be so indoctrinated, brainwashed and loyal to a irresponsible government that brought a devestating war on them to the extent that they want to leave their homes to end up homeless and unemployed in VV.


There's no IC reason for it (for more than say 1 or 2 million people), this is all purely OOC that Domini wants his population back.

Now that one to two million people are all yours, and i'm fine with that part of the bit. But even if you try to argue that you can treat them better and offer more benefits, that still doesn't change the fact your stripping them of citizenship of a country that the loved and grew up in and pressing your ideals on them. I said this once and i said it again, its basically meta-forcing them to be in your country if they want to survive and live. And out of all of that, in the end, they are still his citizens thick and through and they want to return home as he said. In an IRL standpoint that is true unless the country was so devastated (like Syria) that they would try to leave. But look at the length of the war, last i checked it was a quick two month war that barely, if any, dented our manpower at the slightest. Now last i checked we mainly targeted military positions and troop movements, not civilians trapped in the crossfire (although that is nearly impossible to avoid in war). And yes, unless it was Nazi Germany, citizens wouldn't be that brainwashed. But that still does not excuse the fact that they were born in that county and that they are nationalistic, as shown with their upcoming election. Plus he is following old Viking and Nordic religions! Which stresses that the family and clan be together and most of his citizens follow that religion and belief. His citizens are the individual family and Varmandr Vestan is the clan.

 

[RIPSaidCone]

 Which people usually don't like unless they were raised in it, or it was the only way.

Well considering that it's supposed to be the case that over 100 million people would all leave, my only assumption is that the Vestan government has controlled them their entire lives.

I'll quote my last reason.


Since the first Vestan war, and the stealing (taking) of New Vestan by the Eclipsans, VV citizens have hated the Eclipse Empire/Federation. By allying with them, most citizens see that as becoming a friend with the Vestan's worst enemy. 


Secondly, the Odinist Family Honor speaks of keeping towns and clans together, and sticking to each-other in times of need. Vestan is in a time of need r/n, with families separated and towns displaced.

Cascadia has only gone to war with Vestan once, we were very tame in it. Leaving civilians out of the fighting, if civilian structures were damaged then it's because VV troops were hiding in them and it was deemed collateral damage in return for wiping out an enemy hideout so that's still Vestan's fault in a way. So far Cascadia's only treated the people in their taken lands with kindness and dignity, not gloating about the victory at all and leaving them to business as usual but with the perks of (technically) being Cascadian.


It's still very, very hard to believe or even fathom that 100 million people. (Which is an insane number btw) Would actually leave their homes, their towns and everything they've known just for "sticking together" and "national pride" 9 times out of 10 families that return to your land are going to be left in poverty, unemployment and homelessness. Your country would collapse under the pressure of 100 million citizens, if anything we're doing you a favor keeping all that pressure off of your weakening government and infrastructure. There is no way that any government ever could house, feed, cloth and provide work for 345 million people when most of their infrastructure and cities are gone.

Now that one to two million people are all yours, and i'm fine with that part of the bit. But even if you try to argue that you can treat them better and offer more benefits, that still doesn't change the fact your stripping them of citizenship of a country that the loved and grew up in and pressing your ideals on them. I said this once and i said it again, its basically meta-forcing them to be in your country if they want to survive and live. And out of all of that, in the end, they are still his citizens thick and through and they want to return home as he said. In an IRL standpoint that is true unless the country was so devastated (like Syria) that they would try to leave. But look at the length of the war, last i checked it was a quick two month war that barely, if any, dented our manpower at the slightest. Now last i checked we mainly targeted military positions and troop movements, not civilians trapped in the crossfire (although that is nearly impossible to avoid in war). And yes, unless it was Nazi Germany, citizens wouldn't be that brainwashed. But that still does not excuse the fact that they were born in that county and that they are nationalistic, as shown with their upcoming election. Plus he is following old Viking and Nordic religions! Which stresses that the family and clan be together and most of his citizens follow that religion and belief. His citizens are the individual family and Varmandr Vestan is the clan.

Those people in the camps will only be there temporarily before being allowed to migrate to where they want to. If they don't like it they can leave which is what I've been saying the entire time but what I've also been saying is that WHY would they EVER leave their towns (their clans/communities) to go live in a dump, patriotism doesn't extend that far I'm sorry and not to such a large number of people. One or two million can leave out of insane patriotism but that's more than enough realistically or even IC wise. Cascadia never targeted any civilian communities or groups of people, only military targets so hating Cascadia for being unfair, brutal or oppressive is already out the door, being angry at them for killing a brother or father in the fighting as they were a soldier is understandable but his military only had around 3-5 million was it? So that's barely any of the population in my territory.


100 million people would not leave the comfort of their home, job, friends, town and overall life to go live in slums, with barely and food or water because "i love country 2much" That is just..*sigh*


The captured Vestan lands were barely affected by the war minus one or two buildings per town, and even then it'd be the Vestan fault anyway that their troops used civilian/public structures for gun emplacements or whatnot so they would have to be targeted. (not saying they did but if civilian buildings were supposedly destroyed that'd be the main reason) they have no real reason to leave the captured lands other than some fanatic, brainwashed nationalism that's only there so Domini can maintain a large population and go ahead with his plans of making a fascist state and invading one of us.


I'll settle at 3 million leaving, 100 million is just the most unrealistic thing I have ever heard. No religion, country or anything would ever cause that amount of migration. I'm not oppressing them or forcing my ideals on them, I never put that across ever. My education system is unbias, my laws are fair and not discriminative and I've literally let them go about their daily lives as if the war never even happened. Cascadia has freedom of religion so they can continue practising their beliefs unopposed and they can go visit their families if they live in the remaining VV land but that's incredibly unlikely for the majority of the population as you'd then have to try and say that 90% of your population are all clumped together in one spot.


Majority of families live within the same area as one another with maybe a few cousins or aunties living somewhere else but the vast, vast majority of 106 million people would not have family on the other side of the country. The nationalism, pride and norse god stuff is just a solid excuse to keep a population OOC. And no it's not meta-forcing them to be in my country if they want to survive and live, that's just basic fact and common sense. Of course they have a much, much, much higher chance of living in Cascadia than Vestan now because Vestan's on the brink of collapse.


I really don't see why you're even supporting Domini's "muh nationalism" excuse, it's just an excuse. That's it, it has no common sense or logic behind it at all in an IC or realistic sense, even common sense really. It's all purely an OOC argument, if he didn't want this to happen then he shouldn't have brought a war on himself.

 

[Space_Kaiser]

Well considering that it's supposed to be the case that over 100 million people would all leave, my only assumption is that the Vestan government has controlled them their entire lives.


Cascadia has only gone to war with Vestan once, we were very tame in it. Leaving civilians out of the fighting, if civilian structures were damaged then it's because VV troops were hiding in them and it was deemed collateral damage in return for wiping out an enemy hideout so that's still Vestan's fault in a way. So far Cascadia's only treated the people in their taken lands with kindness and dignity, not gloating about the victory at all and leaving them to business as usual but with the perks of (technically) being Cascadian.


It's still very, very hard to believe or even fathom that 100 million people. (Which is an insane number btw) Would actually leave their homes, their towns and everything they've known just for "sticking together" and "national pride" 9 times out of 10 families that return to your land are going to be left in poverty, unemployment and homelessness. Your country would collapse under the pressure of 100 million citizens, if anything we're doing you a favor keeping all that pressure off of your weakening government and infrastructure. There is no way in hell any government ever could house, feed, cloth and provide work for 345 million people when most of their infrastructure and cities are gone.


Those people in the camps will only be there temporarily before being allowed to migrate to where they want to. If they don't like it they can leave which is what I've been saying the entire time but what I've also been saying is that WHY would they EVER leave their towns (their clans/communities) to go live in a dump, patriotism doesn't extend that far I'm sorry and not to such a large number of people. One or two million can leave out of insane patriotism but that's more than enough realistically or even IC wise. Cascadia never targeted any civilian communities or groups of people, only military targets so hating Cascadia for being unfair, brutal or oppressive is already out the door, being angry at them for killing a brother or father in the fighting as they were a soldier is understandable but his military only had around 3-5 million was it? So that's barely any of the population in my territory.


100 million people would not leave the comfort of their home, job, friends, town and overall life to go live in slums, with barely and food or water because "i love country 2much" That is just..*sigh*


The captured Vestan lands were barely affected by the war minus one or two buildings per town, and even then it'd be the Vestan fault anyway that their troops used civilian/public structures for gun emplacements or whatnot so they would have to be targeted. (not saying they did but if civilian buildings were supposedly destroyed that'd be the main reason) they have no real reason to leave the captured lands other than some fanatic, brainwashed nationalism that's only there so Domini can maintain a large population and go ahead with his plans of making a fascist state and invading one of us.


I'll settle at 3 million leaving, 100 million is literally the single most unrealistic thing I have ever heard. No religion, country or anything would ever cause that amount of migration. I'm not oppressing them or forcing my ideals on them, I never put that across ever. My education system is unbias, my laws are fair and not discriminative and I've literally let them go about their daily lives as if the war never even happened. Cascadia has freedom of religion so they can continue practising their beliefs unopposed and they can go visit their families if they live in the remaining VV land but that's incredibly unlikely for the majority of the population as you'd then have to try and say that 90% of your population are all clumped together in one spot.


Majority of families live within the same area as one another with maybe a few cousins or aunties living somewhere else but the vast, vast majority of 106 million people would not have family on the other side of the country. The nationalism, pride and norse god stuff is just a solid excuse to keep a population OOC. And no it's not meta- forcing them to be in my country if they want to survive and live, that's just basic fact and common sense. Of course they have a much, much, much higher chance of living in Cascadia than Vestan now because Vestan's on the brink of collapse.


I really don't see why you're even supporting Domini's "muh nationalism" excuse, it's just an excuse. That's literally it, it has no common sense or logic behind it at all in an IC or realistic sense, even common sense really. It's all purely an OOC argument, if he didn't want this to happen then he shouldn't have brought a war on himself.

Again, i'm not trying to have a dispute between us, just expressing my concerns over the nature of the event and the treaty. Now i did just a quick look, and modern day Brazil has over 200 million people living in its country. We only took a sipbit of the northern portion, which doesn't have that many population centers except for Manaus. Not only that but he has extra territory that IRL Brazil doesn't have, and that includes some population centers like Lima and La Paz. So it is entirely possible for him to have 345 million people live in his lands. And yes i completely agree with many things your bringing up, and i don't have many counters to them, but in this RP many nations are patriotic and nationalistic to an extent. And trust me, my country is the same way now except for the religious thing, which they are permitted to do but Eclipsians are somewhat fearful of having them in the main Federation because of the Religious Uprising, hence why we have a special province for them. However i have my plans for the newly acquired land. Now back to the issue. Yes, for the most part, you are entirely right. However they are still his citizens and even if you can offer better things than VV can, they still belong to his domain as they originally belonged to him. No matter what you try to argue and say, you can't deny that fact.

 

[RIPSaidCone]

Again, i'm not trying to have a dispute between us, just expressing my concerns over the nature of the event and the treaty. Now i did just a quick look, and modern day Brazil has over 200 million people living in its country. We only took a sipbit of the northern portion, which doesn't have that many population centers except for Manaus. Not only that but he has extra territory that IRL Brazil doesn't have, and that includes some population centers like Lima and La Paz. So it is entirely possible for him to have 345 million people live in his lands. And yes i completely agree with many things your bringing up, and i don't have many counters to them, but in this RP many nations are patriotic and nationalistic to an extent. And trust me, my country is the same way now except for the religious thing, which they are permitted to do but Eclipsians are somewhat fearful of having them in the main Federation because of the Religious Uprising, hence why we have a special province for them. However i have my plans for the newly acquired land. Now back to the issue. Yes, for the most part, you are entirely right. However they are still his citizens and even if you can offer better things than VV can, they still belong to his domain as they originally belonged to him. No matter what you try to argue and say, you can't deny that fact.

Northern Brazil has 15.8 million people living within it. And no it is not entirely possible for him to have 345 million people living in his crippled country, land wise yes it's completely possible. His economy couldn't handle the strain, neither could his infrastructure or government. It'd all collapse within weeks, most of his cities, farmland and factories are gone now. No matter what he would try do to prevent that. (Yes even creating project: Save Country or whatever) His country would still collapse under the simple pressure of having that many people without having enough shelter, jobs or food for them.


Patriotism and nationalism are one thing, outright insanity and brainwashing is another. No one in their right mind would risk living in a slum for the rest of their (perhaps short) life, not be able to feed their family or get a job probably because they love their country. Who would ever love a country that couldn't provide the most basic neccessities for all of it's people, and yes he can still have some of his major cities, farmland and factories in his territory but not nearly as much as he must've used to have had.


Cascadia took that land, they took it in a war that they won, he gave me the land and everything in it (OOC and IC) when he surrendered and knowingly accepted the treaty. Cascadia signed a treaty that guaranteed them control of that land, they accepted all of the conditions of said treaty including allowing the native population to migrate to wherever they wished, even back home. But this is all IC, technically they're in my domain now since I rightfully took all that land, they're no longer his and it's unfair for him to be able to control and entire chunk of land that I own. Basically what you're saying is that Cascadia doesn't own that land, it's still his because he controls the most vital thing to any land, the people. That's not fair and purely OOC because he doesn't want to lose something. So next time you win a war or take some land, oh no that's not your land Loyal. That's still his because he still controls it (essentially) it's just your country's color on the map, oh what? He's taking away all the population and therefore all value in the land he surrendered to you in-game, stop whining it's "his domain". Would you be happy with that?


I know you don't mean anything bad and you're just trying to be fair to an extent but you have to understand that him being able to do whatever he wants with the land I took and he surrendered to me solely because "oh that was a regret signing it away" is completely unfair.

 

[Alteras]

(The Pacific is a very big place, and territorial waters aren't as big as you might expect them to be for an ocean the size of the Pacific. It's actually very easy to navigate past them. Wouldn't use that much more fuel, probably less expensive than whatever you're taxing and the Pacific isn't all that dangerous for the most part.)


Cascadian-Rockies Message


"It is not unfair in the slightest, you broke our trust as partners by violating our soverign territory. We are underreacting, all things considered. The fact in itself that you teleported directly to the most important person in our country without prior warning or notification solely to deliver a message shows that you have little regard for our relations as you didn't stop to think what the reaction would be. We will accept the document happily, however the Kingdom of the Rockies gained a large amount of territory and more access to the Pacific from the war with relatively little harm done to yourself, this should be repayment enough, surely? If things go smoothly we will send our support once we develop the technology to cancel out your ability to teleport into our territory as this will restore our trust. We know you will understand why we are responding like this, it is not a minor diplomatic incident but a massive breach in our security and you would most likely react the same if we teleported an official into your leader's office without any notification beforehand. We are more than willing to repair our relations and restore our friendship once the proper measures have been set in place."


@Fishman Lord

eventually, one of you will hit my underwater mines. Until then, I shall wait.

 

[RIPSaidCone]

eventually, one of you will hit my underwater mines. Until then, I shall wait.

Placing underwater mines all around your country when you're biggest feat is trading by sea is extremely risky don't you think.

 

[Alteras]

Placing underwater mines all around your country when you're biggest feat is trading by sea is extremely risky don't you think.

meh, I have control over how those underwater mines move, at least knowledge of where they are. The rockies taking australia was a big move i didn't see a while back, so these mines give me control over the sealanes. Singapore still has some hidden mines around the area that they have yet to clean up today.

 

[Alteras]

meh, I have control over how those underwater mines move, at least knowledge of where they are. The rockies taking australia was a big move i didn't see a while back, so these mines give me control over the sealanes. Singapore still has some hidden mines around the area that they have yet to clean up today.

why do you think I drilled into every first encounter I had that I control the seas. Those mines can do some serious damage.

 

[Lordvader59]

Kaz made  agood point, when will the next World Congress be? Is it IRL weekly or monthly affair?


IF it's Monthly, I will be setting the date at September 18th, which happens to be my birthday. I don't have any plans so I should be on, but if something comes up ill move it to the 19th.

 

[Space_Kaiser]

Kaz made  agood point, when will the next World Congress be? Is it IRL weekly or monthly affair?


IF it's Monthly, I will be setting the date at September 18th, which happens to be my birthday. I don't have any plans so I should be on, but if something comes up ill move it to the 19th.

Its every six months RP time (one month = one page). So it should have already happened, but thanks for allowing more RP time. If you are going to start it soon then i would suggest you pick a city soon.

 

[Alteras]

Its every six months RP time (one month = one page). So it should have already happened, but thanks for allowing more RP time. If you are going to start it soon then i would suggest you pick a city soon.

I'm pretty sure it's every year

 

[Space_Kaiser]

I'm pretty sure it's every year

No it's every six months

 

[Clockwork_Magic]

No it's every six months

I just changed it so now it's yearly, to give everyone more time between congresses.

 

[Space_Kaiser]

I just changed it so now it's yearly, to give everyone more time between congresses.

Ight. Also what's happening with you and your country? You haven't posted in a while.

 

[Clockwork_Magic]

Yes.


However the odd thing is, is that everything seems wack though. An example is my overview. Something broke all of the pictures I recently added, but all the pictures which were broken before, are not broken now. It is like a really shitty opposite day because either way I need to go fix it again.

I would fix the map, if the goddamn website would actually allow me to upload the image.

 

[Dominus Regum]

Northern Brazil has 15.8 million people living within it. And no it is not entirely possible for him to have 345 million people living in his crippled country, land wise yes it's completely possible. His economy couldn't handle the strain, neither could his infrastructure or government. It'd all collapse within weeks, most of his cities, farmland and factories are gone now. No matter what he would try do to prevent that. (Yes even creating project: Save Country or whatever) His country would still collapse under the simple pressure of having that many people without having enough shelter, jobs or food for them.


Patriotism and nationalism are one thing, outright insanity and brainwashing is another. No one in their right mind would risk living in a slum for the rest of their (perhaps short) life, not be able to feed their family or get a job probably because they love their country. Who would ever love a country that couldn't provide the most basic neccessities for all of it's people, and yes he can still have some of his major cities, farmland and factories in his territory but not nearly as much as he must've used to have had.


Cascadia took that land, they took it in a war that they won, he gave me the land and everything in it (OOC and IC) when he surrendered and knowingly accepted the treaty. Cascadia signed a treaty that guaranteed them control of that land, they accepted all of the conditions of said treaty including allowing the native population to migrate to wherever they wished, even back home. But this is all IC, technically they're in my domain now since I rightfully took all that land, they're no longer his and it's unfair for him to be able to control and entire chunk of land that I own. Basically what you're saying is that Cascadia doesn't own that land, it's still his because he controls the most vital thing to any land, the people. That's not fair and purely OOC because he doesn't want to lose something. So next time you win a war or take some land, oh no that's not your land Loyal. That's still his because he still controls it (essentially) it's just your country's color on the map, oh what? He's taking away all the population and therefore all value in the land he surrendered to you in-game, stop whining it's "his domain". Would you be happy with that?


I know you don't mean anything bad and you're just trying to be fair to an extent but you have to understand that him being able to do whatever he wants with the land I took and he surrendered to me solely because "oh that was a regret signing it away" is completely unfair.

I now say a democratic vote is in order


@Loyal Guardian


@RIPSaidCone


@Alteras

 

[Clockwork_Magic]

The Economy mechanic has been updated. Here's the update:


"If you have another thing influencing the size of your GDP, tell me or one of the other moderators about it and if they give the OK, then, and ONLY then, will that amount legally count to your GDP. If they did not give the OK, the amount will not count to your GDP."