The World of Tomorrow- OOC

[Space_Kaiser]

Central America and a good chunk of South America, I haven't fully decided yet. He doesn't have much to offer me in terms of money, that 8 trillion GDP's gonna disappear and when that's gone his previous GDP is pretty small compared to mine. Not sure what he has to offer in trade but territory, population and resources that I control are what I want.

Well remember that Fish is going to take Chile, Peru, and Ecquador while i'm going to take Argentina, the Falklands, Uruguay, and some portions of southern Brazil. I understand you wanting to take the rest of Central America, but what size of South America are we walking about?

 

[RIPSaidCone]

Well remember that Fish is going to take Chile, Peru, and Ecquador while i'm going to take Argentina, the Falklands, Uruguay, and some portions of southern Brazil. I understand you wanting to take the rest of Central America, but what size of South America are we walking about?

I'll take all of Central America, the majority of Brazil, Bolivia, Paraguay, Colombia, Venezuela, Guyana, Suriname and French Guinea. (Those last 3 countries are tiny) I'll respect your claims to the lands you want if you respect mine

 

[Space_Kaiser]

I'll take all of Central America, the majority of Brazil, Bolivia, Paraguay Colombia, Venezuela, Guyana, Suriname and French Guinea. (Those last 3 countries are tiny) I'll respect your claims to the lands you want if you respect mine

Hold up let me make a map to see what the gains would be.

 

[Space_Kaiser]

Okay so here is a very rough translation of the gains all three of us want. @RIPSaidCone


View attachment Vestan Gains.png

 

[RIPSaidCone]

Okay so here is a very rough translation of the gains all three of us want. @RIPSaidCone

Eh, I think Vestan gets to keep too much land. Given what they tried to do. If possible, I'd like some more of Brazil, it seems like you get a lot of land as well despite already having most of Asia, I don't think you really need most of that.

 

[Space_Kaiser]

Eh, I think Vestan gets to keep far too much land. Given what they tried to do. If possible, I'd like some more of Brazil, it seems like you get a lot of land as well despite already having most of Asia, I don't think you really need most of that.

I could say the same for you, i mean already that's taking almost 80% of his country at most and 65% of his country at least.  You're taking a whole lot of land from him, and granted were doing the same but not as much as you are. Look i want to give it to him to, but what your wanting to take is this much:

View attachment Vestan Gains.png

 

[RIPSaidCone]

I could say the same for you, i mean already that's taking almost 80% of his country at most and 65% of his country at least.  You're taking a whole lot of land from him, and granted were doing the same but not as much as you are. Look i want to give it to him to, but what your wanting to take is this much:

That's all of us combined. I'm not the sole reason for that. In all honesty I'm pretty satisfied with that updated map you put, he deserves it. It's punishment for thinking that he can get away with stealing information from a bunch of other nations, two of which haven't even done anything to him to warrant such a trespass. I could negogiate giving some of his land back to him once I've extracted some of the things I want from his land, but for now I'm pretty happy with that updated version. Again you've got nearly all of Asia and still want more, can you really lecture me on having/wanting too much land xD  

 

[Space_Kaiser]

That's all of us combined. I'm not the sole reason for that. In all honesty I'm pretty satisfied with that updated map you put, he deserves it. It's punishment for thinking that he can get away with stealing information from a bunch of other nations, two of which haven't even done anything to him to warrant such a trespass. I could negogiate giving some of his land back to him once I've extracted some of the things I want from his land, but for now I'm pretty happy with that updated version. Again you've got nearly all of Asia and still want more, can you really lecture me on having/wanting too much land xD  

I can actually. Your military is primarily a self defense force, and while i'm glad you aided me in this war, i don't think a nation with a self defense force can take this much land. I mean you can, but why? He hacked into our systems, which don't get me wrong that's not right and countries can easily go to war for it, but its not like he out right denounced us or preemptively struck our nations with force. Plus aren't the Cascadians more towards aiding than taking? By you taking that much land, what makes you better from us (Me and Fish)? I'm a former empire with the head the former emperor and with a military who currently has its blood boiling from the civil war, and Fish is in all practicality a colonial empire that does want more land to keep his Serfdom going. You on the other hand are a democratic republic who has a kind leader and nice citizens (now i'm not saying that neither me or Fish have those, but you have the stand out in that one). By taking that much land you would not only have to face with an absurd amount of protests, civil disorder, and rebellions. In the end it might be a costly gain for your nation, key word "might". What i'm trying to say is by taking that much land is out of your nations character.

 

[RIPSaidCone]

I can actually. Your military is primarily a self defense force, and while i'm glad you aided me in this war, i don't think a nation with a self defense force can take this much land. I mean you can, but why? He hacked into our systems, which don't get me wrong that's not right and countries can easily go to war for it, but its not like he out right denounced us or preemptively struck our nations with force. Plus aren't the Cascadians more towards aiding than taking? By you taking that much land, what makes you better from us (Me and Fish)? I'm a former empire with the head the former emperor and with a military who currently has its blood boiling from the civil war, and Fish is in all practicality a colonial empire that does want more land to keep his Serfdom going. You on the other hand are a democratic republic who has a kind leader and nice citizens (now i'm not saying that neither me or Fish have those, but you have the stand out in that one). By taking that much land you would not only have to face with an absurd amount of protests, civil disorder, and rebellions. In the end it might be a costly gain for your nation, key word "might". What i'm trying to say is by taking that much land is out of your nations character.

Yeah it's a defense force but it's also the world's second or third strongest military overall, this can be debated whether it's 2nd but it's either 2nd or 3rd no doubt. You understand Cascadia's nature on a surface level. But like all countries and people it goes deeper than that, given how peaceful and prosperous Cascadia has been whilst the rest of the world just jumps at the opportunity to rip each others throats out. (Lets be honest xD ) Cascadians are very protective of the luck they have at living in a peaceful, diplomatic country and any form of intrusion from a foreign country or anything that's done without consent from the Cascadian people is seen as a direct attack against their way of life. As you may know also they're very patriotic and the government also takes it's oath to defend their people seriously.


At the same time it's an opportunity to better the country as a whole, more territory, more resources and a larger workforce that the vast majority of which will have little problem with working for Cascadia rather than Vestan given the high standards of living Cascadian citizens enjoy, probably the highest in the world even. It's not entirely out of character for Cascadia to take a large amount of land it's just that they do it politely, peacefully, with restraint and as friendly as possible, they want the people living there to love them and in return will love them just as much back. The Vestan population is in no way being held accountable for their government's actions. Only the truly fantatic people in VV will protest against Cascadian rule, but I believe the majority of the population will support Cascadia given the aid and kindess they will recieve, Cascadian intentions in South America are pure since it's a win-win for both the Vestan people living in Cascadian taken land and Cascadia as a whole. The only people who really lose are the Vestan government but as said before they deserve it. People tend not to rebel against a government that's only done good by them, and ones that do will either be imprisoned or deported to Varmander Vestan.


Basically, although it may seem out of character for Cascadia to take that much land, at the same time it's not since they'll definitely be kind and caring leaders for the people of the land they have taken and will probably make it better than it was before.

 

[Space_Kaiser]

Yeah it's a defense force but it's also the world's second or third strongest military overall, this can be debated whether it's 2nd but it's either 2nd or 3rd no doubt. You understand Cascadia's nature on a surface level. But like all countries and people it goes deeper than that, given how peaceful and prosperous Cascadia has been whilst the rest of the world just jumps at the opportunity to rip each others throats out. (Lets be honest xD ) Cascadians are very protective of the luck they have at living in a peaceful, diplomatic country and any form of intrusion from a foreign country or anything that's done without consent from the Cascadian people is seen as a direct attack against their way of life. As you may know also they're very patriotic and the government also takes it's oath to defend their people seriously.


At the same time it's an opportunity to better the country as a whole, more territory, more resources and a larger workforce that the vast majority of which will have little problem with working for Cascadia rather than Vestan given the high standards of living Cascadian citizens enjoy, probably the highest in the world even. It's not entirely out of character for Cascadia to take a large amount of land it's just that they do it politely, peacefully, with restraint and as friendly as possible, they want the people living there to love them and in return will love them just as much back. The Vestan population is in no way being held accountable for their government's actions. Only the truly fantatic people in VV will protest against Cascadian rule, but I believe the majority of the population will support Cascadia given the aid and kindess they will recieve, Cascadian intentions in South America are pure since it's a win-win for both the Vestan people living in Cascadian taken land and Cascadia as a whole. The only people who really lose are the Vestan government but as said before they deserve it. People tend not to rebel against a government that's only done good by them, and ones that do will either be imprisoned or deported to Varmander Vestan.


Basically, although it may seem out of character for Cascadia to take that much land, at the same time it's not since they'll definitely be kind and caring leaders for the people of the land they have taken and will probably make it better than it was before.

You have no idea how that sounded to the other person. To me at least it sounded like a fanatical ruler telling the other guy to back off because they promise to treat the people kindly, i mean Hitler did the same thing (I'm not comparing you to Hitler at all. That would be wrong and a dick move, just pointing out the historical similarity that's all). Also yeah he does deserve getting the shit kicked out of him for sneaking into our networks, but taking this much land and reducing him down to a small shall of what he once was? Okay yeah that is the plan, but he only went into our systems! The same shit happens IRL all the time yet you don't see wars popping up left and right because of it. And yes the world we RP in is different from the present, but the same principles still apply. I just think that taking that much land would be to unfair for what the did to start the war. Now i know your citizens are patriotic and pissed and that your government promised to protect them, trust me that's how most countries are in this RP, but using that as your excuse and the fact you say its a win-win for the citizens trapped in your territory is (pardon my French here) total bullshit. Now if he had publicly denounced us and shit or attacked us without warning then i would understand the amount of land, but he attack via cyberspace which like i said earlier happens all the time in the present. And you saying that the Vestan citizens would be fine with your rule over them is complete crap, as history has shown us that's never happened! Hell the Ottomans, who were the masters at controlling other cultures under their rule, still had constant dissidents and rebellions periodically. And for a modern case the American invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan toppled their dictatorships and set up pro-American governments, however as we know there is still conflict in those regions because citizens joined rebel groups as they did not like the way the new government was. I could give you plenty of reasons why your win-win excuse wouldn't work as well as you think it would, but that would be a rant of its own. If anything they will be scared of your people, they'll resent you for killing their people, family, and friends, and they will want to return their former land back to their old government. I could go on and on, but this getting long enough. 

 

[RIPSaidCone]

You have no idea how that sounded to the other person. To me at least it sounded like a fanatical ruler telling the other guy to back off because they promise to treat the people kindly, i mean Hitler did the same thing (I'm not comparing you to Hitler at all. That would be wrong and a dick move, just pointing out the historical similarity that's all). Also yeah he does deserve getting the shit kicked out of him for sneaking into our networks, but taking this much land and reducing him down to a small shall of what he once was? Okay yeah that is the plan, but he only went into our systems! The same shit happens IRL all the time yet you don't see wars popping up left and right because of it. And yes the world we RP in is different from the present, but the same principles still apply. I just think that taking that much land would be to unfair for what the did to start the war. Now i know your citizens are patriotic and pissed and that your government promised to protect them, trust me that's how most countries are in this RP, but using that as your excuse and the fact you say its a win-win for the citizens trapped in your territory is (pardon my French here) total bullshit. Now if he had publicly denounced us and shit or attacked us without warning then i would understand the amount of land, but he attack via cyberspace which like i said earlier happens all the time in the present. And you saying that the Vestan citizens would be fine with your rule over them is complete crap, as history has shown us that's never happened! Hell the Ottomans, who were the masters at controlling other cultures under their rule, still had constant dissidents and rebellions periodically. And for a modern case the American invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan toppled their dictatorships and set up pro-American governments, however as we know there is still conflict in those regions because citizens joined rebel groups as they did not like the way the new government was. I could give you plenty of reasons why your win-win excuse wouldn't work as well as you think it would, but that would be a rant of its own. If anything they will be scared of your people, they'll resent you for killing their people, family, and friends, and they will want to return their former land back to their old government. I could go on and on, but this getting long enough. 

I'm not promising to treat the people kindly. I'm saying it's a definitive fact that they will be treated perfectly well, as shown by my occupation of Texas and Mexico. I really think that you don't care about what Varmander Vestan or it's people think, you just don't want a country that isn't you gaining so much from something.


I don't know if you understand how insulting, disrespectful, endangering and aggressive hacking into another nations' networks and systems actually is. It's a severe breach of national security and a slap in the face to any nation. It's basically saying. "I honestly think that you're too stupid to realize what I've done so I'ma just take all your stuff and you won't even know."


Vestan citizens won't be trapped in my territory, they'll be perfectly able to leave if they want to. And yes, it is a win-win. There's no doubt in my mind that they'll earn more in wages that they would've under VV rule, they'll get free healthcare which they don't have under VV rule and free university and a Cascadian passport has immensely more holding than a Vestan one. The win-win argument isn't an excuse it's almost fact, it's the people's choice on whether or not they want to accept better opportunities with the Cascadian economy and jobs available however or continue grumbling in a corner because their patriotism deludes them.


Countries IRL don't invade each other over cyberspace violations because IRL politics and economics are extremely fragile and need to be handled delicately, Cascadia has no trading with VV. We had very little diplomatic relations or opinions on them prior to the cyberattack and most nations were unopinonated on them as well. The US can't invade China because China steals it's secrets on a monthly basis because a war between the US and China would screw the entire world over and both nations involved in the war on a political, economic and military level. Things are a lot simpler to handle in this universe given the solidified understanding of what does what and who likes who, unlike the complex realities of real world politics. Comparing our world's international relations and political structure to the real world's is not a very good point.


Comparing the US intervention in the Middle East to the Vestan War is like comparing apples to oranges as well. It doesn't work, the US intervention in the Middle East is opposed and a mess for multiple reasons, suspected war crimes, shady dealings, a lack of understanding of this kind of warfare from allied command, and the fact that there are just an immense amount of extremists and people there who despise the Western world and it's way of life. The Middle East and it's workings are terribly complicated and over-elaborate, simply saying. "citizens joined rebel groups as they did not like the way the new government was." Is simplying things to the most basic level of what happened there.


The only point I see there which has a likelihood of happening is the Vestan people resenting me for their family members or friends being killed in the fighting, however when they're reminded that it was their government's fault that the war started in the first place at least some of them will understand.

 

[Space_Kaiser]

I'm not promising to treat the people kindly. I'm saying it's a definitive fact that they will be treated perfectly well, as shown by my occupation of Texas and Mexico. I really think that you don't care about what Varmander Vestan or it's people think, you just don't want a country that isn't you gaining so much from something.


I don't know if you understand how insulting, disrespectful, endangering and aggressive hacking into another nations' networks and systems actually is. It's a severe breach of national security and a slap in the face to any nation. It's basically saying. "I honestly think that you're too stupid to realize what I've done so I'ma just take all your stuff and you won't even know."


Vestan citizens won't be trapped in my territory, they'll be perfectly able to leave if they want to. And yes, it is a win-win. There's no doubt in my mind that they'll earn more in wages that they would've under VV rule, they'll get free healthcare which they don't have under VV rule and free university and a Cascadian passport has immensely more holding than a Vestan one. The win-win argument isn't an excuse it's almost fact, it's the people's choice on whether or not they want to accept better opportunities with the Cascadian economy and jobs available however or continue grumbling in a corner because their patriotism deludes them.


Countries IRL don't invade each other over cyberspace violations because IRL politics and economics are extremely fragile and need to be handled delicately, Cascadia has no trading with VV. We had very little diplomatic relations or opinions on them prior to the cyberattack and most nations were unopinonated on them as well. The US can't invade China because China steals it's secrets on a monthly basis because a war between the US and China would screw the entire world over and both nations involved in the war on a political, economic and military level. Things are a lot simpler to handle in this universe given the solidified understanding of what does what and who likes who, unlike the complex realities of real world politics. Comparing our world's international relations and political structure to the real world's is not a very good point.


Comparing the US intervention in the Middle East to the Vestan War is like comparing apples to oranges as well. It doesn't work, the US intervention in the Middle East is opposed and a mess for multiple reasons, suspected war crimes, shady dealings, a lack of understanding of this kind of warfare from allied command, and the fact that there are just an immense amount of extremists and people there who despise the Western world and it's way of life. The Middle East and it's workings are terribly complicated and over-elaborate, simply saying. "citizens joined rebel groups as they did not like the way the new government was." Is simplying things to the most basic level of what happened there.


The only point I see there which has a likelihood of happening is the Vestan people resenting me for their family members or friends being killed in the fighting, however when they're reminded that it was their government's fault that the war started in the first place at least some of them will understand.

*Scratches head and says "Why i be like this* (In case you don't know i'm a person who knows what their going to say when the think it, but completely comes out wrong when saying or typing). Fine w.e, i'm just voicing my opinion that you're taking a little to much land, and the same goes for me as well.

 

[Space_Kaiser]

@RIPSaidCone Oh and btw here are the three strongest military's in order:


1. Eclipsian Federation


2. Order Empire


3. Republic of Cascadia

 

[RIPSaidCone]

*Scratches head and says "Why i be like this* (In case you don't know i'm a person who knows what their going to say when the think it, but completely comes out wrong when saying or typing). Fine w.e, i'm just voicing my opinion that you're taking a little to much land, and the same goes for me as well.

Its fine, no worries

 

[Albion]

Would yall be cool with me invading the Hamuis? Im looking to unite africa (except for the singaporean federation africa. We have been historically friendly)

 

[Space_Kaiser]

Would yall be cool with me invading the Hamuis? Im looking to unite africa (except for the singaporean federation africa. We have been historically friendly)

He hasn't been active, so go for it.

 

[Clockwork_Magic]

Would yall be cool with me invading the Hamuis? Im looking to unite africa (except for the singaporean federation africa. We have been historically friendly)

He's been inactive for, a month now? Yea sure, go for it.

 

[Kazami42]

Would yall be cool with me invading the Hamuis? Im looking to unite africa (except for the singaporean federation africa. We have been historically friendly)

"Hey, now, you're an All Star, get your game on, go play
Hey, now, you're a Rock Star, get the show on, get paid"

 

[RIPSaidCone]

@Agent141


Domini hasn't specified what he actually tried to steal from us, he just says tech plans which is a little irritating since it means he can just kind of make it up as he goes along. Also didn't he say before that he just took map/plans of our cities.

 

[Alteras]

@Agent141


Domini hasn't specified what he actually tried to steal from us, he just says tech plans which is a little irritating since it means he can just kind of make it up as he goes along. Also didn't he say before that he just took map/plans of our cities.

I believe one of things he stole was city plans and layout.

 

[RIPSaidCone]

I believe one of things he stole was city plans and layout.

I'd find it somewhat difficult to believe if he tries to put across that he stole massive amounts of civilian infrastructure planning and technological secrets as well from 3 nations more advanced than him.

 

[Dominus Regum]

@Agent141


Domini hasn't specified what he actually tried to steal from us, he just says tech plans which is a little irritating since it means he can just kind of make it up as he goes along. Also didn't he say before that he just took map/plans of our cities.

Alright, i'll clear up two things.


Things the VV has stolen from all nations he hacked:


Military and Civilian tech. Not anything classified, think hacking into factories/companies to figure out how things are made.


Detailed Maps, mainly for invading purposes.


Also, Project Endgame.


Endgame is a multi-step process, to be used in case of a major threat of war.


1:Industrialize (That explains the factories)


2:Technologize (That explains the hacking)


3:Incorporate (Incorporate it into everyday society)


4efend (Used only in emergency situations, project EG is ended before this can happen)

 

[Alteras]

Varmandr Vestan


The Eclipisan generals listened to the Vestan surrender. This had been the second time the Vestans had surrendered to the Eclipse, the first being when they took Rome and the threat of invading their homeland. After listening to the terms of surrender, it was mostly agreeable to them, however they would have liked to added one thing.


"This is General Frios, commander of the Eclipsian Federation forces and the arbitrary leader of the combined efforts of out forces. Your peace terms are mostly agreeable to us, however you invaded our land through cyberspace which is something we don't tolerate. As such we would like to take Patagonia, the rest of former Argentina, the Falklands, Uruguay, and Rio de Janeiro. To clarify we won't be taking the land between Uruguay and Rio, simply the city and its surrounding areas. Beyond that we accept your terms of surrender."


@Domini Regum @RIPSaidCone @Fishman Lord


Manila, Philippines


Umberion's forces had begun to leave the district and all had pretty much left except for him, his guard, a set of crewmen, and a ship. He walked into the Governors office and sat in a chair facing him. "Greetings Mr. Samson, what owes me the pleasure of this meeting?"

Second Vestan War
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December, 3255 - January, 3256
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Belligerent 1:

• Eclipsian Federation
  
• Republic of Cascadia
  
• Kingdom of the Rockies
  
• Socialist Republic of California (minor)
  

Belligerent 2:

• Varmandr Vestan
  

Gov Samson is female

 

[Space_Kaiser]

Gov Samson is female

Let me change that real quick lol

 

[Clockwork_Magic]

I present to you, ladies and gentlemen, the top 3 lists, because I have nothing else to do.


Economy (GDP):

Spoiler

1: Republic of Cascadia, 4 trillion


2: Order Empire, 1.4 trillion


3 (Tie): Eclipsian Federation and Singaporean Federeation, 1 trillion

Population:

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1: Eclipsian Federation, 481 Million


2: Varmandr Vestan: 350 Million


3: Republic of Cascadia: 138 Million

Military Personnel:

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1: Republic of Cascadia, 8.198 Million


2: Eclipsian Federation, 7.5 Million


3: Order Empire, 4.339 Million

Armored Vehicle Forces:

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1: Republic of Cascadia, ???


2: Eclipsian Federation, ???


3: Singaporean Federation: 3.4 Thousand

Naval Forces:

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1: Eclipsian Federation, 2690


2: Order Empire, 2250


3: Singaporean Federation, 256

Aerial Forces:

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1: Republic of Cascadia, ???


2: Order Empire, 2600


3: Eclipse Empire, ???

Military Technology:

Spoiler

1: Eclipsian Federation


2: Republic of Cascadia


3: Order Empire

The Results were based on Overview Info. If I put a ??? next to your country, it means I don't know the exact number or I'm not gonna bother doing the math to get the exact number.