Tech The Tank Discussion Thread

[Axel The Englishman]

Quite obvious what this thread is about. Assemble, my fellow Tank-obsessed brethren. Here we’re shall communicate our interests of the holy war machine known simply as the ‘tank’. From the trenches to the IEDs, let us talk about tanks, their science, their history, and their evolution.

 

[Hall Kervean]

Oh man, storing water is the best. Couldn't be where we are without them.
I just find it so profound how they managed to capture water within a means of storage. We really have come a long way.

 

[Axel The Englishman]

Knave. Thou dare desecrate the holy thread, blessed by the Machine Gods? I should hop into my Comet and discharge you with a 77mm HE, heathen.

 

[Suum]

I think the ability to store and utilise fuel in a tank has proven vitally important to the evolution of modern transport.

 

[Axel The Englishman]

 

[Winter_Wolf]

The Stridsvagen 103--the "S Tank"-- real tank, or tank destroyer?

 

[Axel The Englishman]

Winter_Wolf

MBT. Its designated combat role matched those of other tanks within Swedish doctrine. Pretty big disadvantage though, since the gun can only face a single direction, making it suspectible to flanking tactics.

 

[Winter_Wolf]

Winter_Wolf

MBT. Its designated combat role matched those of other tanks within Swedish doctrine. Pretty big disadvantage though, since the gun can only face a single direction, making it susceptible to flanking tactics.

Well I found this essay: Stridsvagen 103 Was Not a Tank Destroyer

It seems to support what you said that the role/doctrine didn't really differ, and also contests that it was at much of a disadvantage during its day. It's interesting how they decided to move to the turreted tank after all, with the Leopard 2. I haven't looked into exactly why that happened; maybe doctrine shifted and the Leopard 2 seemed more appropriate, and/or it also made them very compatible with other European nations who use Leo 2s.

EDIT: the comment section on that essay though....one guy seems to bring in World of Tanks, War Thunder, etc as sources/proof against the 103...

 

[adrian_]

Winter_Wolf

MBT. Its designated combat role matched those of other tanks within Swedish doctrine. Pretty big disadvantage though, since the gun can only face a single direction, making it suspectible to flanking tactics.

Still scary as fuck, you seen what a StuG could do to tanks? Think of that but with a massive Swedish flag plastered on it.

It's like an angry bull firing AP shells at you.

 

[Winter_Wolf]

Still scary as fuck, you seen what a StuG could do to tanks? Think of that but with a massive Swedish flag plastered on it.

It's like an angry bull firing AP shells at you.

Or perhaps a snake or some ambush-y creature, given that it's low profile could allow it to hide, spot you before you spot it, and take the first shot accurate shot--which IIRC per the doctrine, meant probable victory. Interestingly, the British tested it alongside their Chieftain, and didn't really see the 103's inability to fire on the move compared to turreted tanks to be a problem. In some other comparative tests like alongside the Leopard 1 or M60 Patton, the 103 seemed to have some very good points (like spotting more targets even with hatches closed compared to the Leo 1, or firing more accurately than the M60, if a bit slower) so I wonder how it would have performed in real conventional vs. conventional action alongside and against pretty much only turreted tanks. I guess it's good we don't know for sure!

 

[Axel The Englishman]

adrian_ Winter_Wolf

The one thing an S Tank would have to worry about is having one of its tracks disabled. Not like that’s much of a worry now, though, since it’s been replaced by Leopard copies.

 

[Hige]

Abandoned tanks, Shikotan Island

 

[Winter_Wolf]

adrian_ Winter_Wolf

The one thing an S Tank would have to worry about is having one of its tracks disabled. Not like that’s much of a worry now, though, since it’s been replaced by Leopard copies.

Yeah I guess so.

Probably not a bad move, going to the Leo 2, as it is used by all countries neighboring Sweden as well as much of Europe, so logistics and general coordination/'integration' would be easier.

Also, please tell me I'm not the only one who felt sorry for this tank...

 

[MiracleGrazer]

I've never ridden in a tank but having rid in an AAV I can tell you riding in one will not be pleasant at all

 

[Angelsofblood]

Honestly, I think we have to start at the beginning of what tanks were created for and what their purpose has become.

I mean, when you look at the "land whales" of ww1 and their purpose was moving across no man's land to take out barbed wire and draw an enemies' fire.

Today, we are in a very unique situation. We have "tanks" in the forms of strykers, Bradleys, and the Abrams (at least in the US Army's inventory).

The role of the tank has definitely changed (especially when vehicles like the jeep have evolved into the MRAP), and it's curious to see where they are going.

 

[Zerulu]

What is your favourite tank

 

[Axel The Englishman]

£4,217,000 62.5 ton mobile tea making facility

 

[Best Trekkie.]

The M4 Sherman.... The KING... ....of modifications that is....

 

[Angelsofblood]

The first us tank destroyers were devastating weapons. Speed matched with a strong gun -- just a weak chin.

 

[adrian_]

The T-90
"For when outliving your enemy if paramount."

I mean, you can LITERALLY survive a nuclear war inside of it.
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[Winter_Wolf]

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The T-90
"For when outliving your enemy if paramount."

I mean, you can LITERALLY survive a nuclear war inside of it.
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I thought NBC protection was kinda standard by this point?

 

[adrian_]

I thought NBC protection was kinda standard by this point?

Yeah, but the T-90 is iconic for it, and it's owned by quite a few countries.

 

[Vintage Geek]

I just have to with the German Tiger II. I mean, c'mon?​

 

[cyka of blyat the XVI]

Who needs a home when you and all of the crew can live inside a Maus

 

[Corrosion]

Fuck yeah, this is a topic I can discuss.

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This is a Leopard 2SG, a modified Leopard 2A4 upgraded with AMAP composite armour and a Rheinmetall hard-kill system. It's the main battle tank my country (Singapore) uses.

While not a tank (I consider it heresy to call tracked IFVs and APCs tanks), the Bionix II AFV looks cool as fuck, and I've heard that a its 25mm cannon can be replaced with a 105mm or 120mm turret, essentially turning it into a light/medium tank.